Allen Iverson - MERGED

Anybody see the Bee this morning?!

Gavin spoke about it.

http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/90809.html

The hot topic in the NBA this weekend was the demand of Philadelphia 76ers guard Allen Iverson to be traded.
The Kings appear to be part of that conversation.
Since Friday, the Kings have been added to the short list of teams that are said to be -- according to various reports -- discussing trade options with the 76ers. On Sunday, a league source confirmed to The Bee that the Kings are involved, though it is not known whether they are pursuing Iverson or perhaps part of a deal involving more than two teams, or what they are offering.

The source declined to be identified because he was not authorized to discuss the deal.
At the Kings' game against Atlanta on Sunday, Kings president of basketball operations Geoff Petrie would not say if he was in discussions involving Iverson.
"As a matter of rule, we do not discuss possible trades," he said.
Kings co-owners Joe and Gavin Maloof were also tight-lipped, even beyond the question of whether they're pursuing Iverson.
"Talk to Geoff, because I don't know," Joe Maloof said by phone.
Gavin Maloof paused before answering.
"Hmmm," he said. "You're going to have to ask Geoff."
Asked if he was a fan of Iverson's game, Gavin wouldn't comment.
"Well, I don't want to say, I don't want to say," Gavin said. "Check with Geoff."
Kings swingman John Salmons, a teammate of Iverson last season, was shocked by the news of Iverson's demands -- and owner Ed Snider's approval to pursue a deal.
"Just having been in that situation, I wanted to know what was going on," Salmons said. "I was surprised that he said it, that he actually said it."
If the Kings were, in fact, trying to land Iverson in Sacramento, the most obvious deal would likely involve the swapping of point guards. Kings point guard Mike Bibby -- who has an early termination option on his contract that would allow him to become a free agent after this season despite two seasons being left on his deal -- is owed $12.5 million for this season. Including the $18.2 million Iverson will make this season, his deal has three seasons and approximately $59 million remaining.
The Kings would have to add a piece or two to make the deal work, as the players' salaries in a trade must be within 125 percent of each other. They also have five players with expiring contracts that could be attractive to Philadelphia, allowing them to clear up salary cap space for next season: Corliss Williamson, Jason Hart, Vitaly Potapenko, Ronnie Price and Maurice Taylor.
The Kings also have a glut of younger players with promise to offer, from the seemingly untouchable Kevin Martin ($1 million this season) to second-year swingman Francisco García (approximately $1.1 million) and rookie Quincy Douby ($1.2 million).
The interesting subplot would be in the history between Iverson and two of the current Kings players. Former 76ers Kenny Thomas and Salmons were both relieved to leave Philadelphia and have often spoken of the difficulties that come with playing with an offensive star who dominates both the opposition and the ball.
Salmons, in fact, was hired partly on the basis of how well he produced for the 76ers when Iverson wasn't on the floor, with Petrie saying when he signed him that Salmons showed his true potential then.
"It is what it is," Salmons said. "If he ended up here, I'd play with him. I'd welcome him in."
Kings small forward Ron Artest, whose trade demands from Indiana a year ago led to his Sacramento stop, said he was more concerned with the current crop than whether Iverson would work with the team.
"We had a nice little (run) last year. Had a chance to win a lot of games, do a lot of damage, and just need to build on that this year," Artest said.
 
I don't see AI coming here. I think the Kings will be in a three way, but our most urgent need is for defensive 4's and 5's.. What good will it do the team if we get AI and still don't have a solid front court..

Charlotte is rumored to be interested but it would take half of their team to make it work under the salary cap.
A three way like this would work..

Charlotte -- out going - Okafor ---- incoming -- Iverson

Philly -- outgoing - Iverson -- Hunter --- incoming --Bibby - K Thomas

Kings -- Outgoing - Bibby -- K Thomas --- Okafor -- Hunter

This above scenario is wishful thinking.. But it fills our needs and if there is a trade for anybody I feel it will be for defensive front court players..
 
I don't see AI coming here. I think the Kings will be in a three way, but our most urgent need is for defensive 4's and 5's.. What good will it do the team if we get AI and still don't have a solid front court..

Charlotte is rumored to be interested but it would take half of their team to make it work under the salary cap.
A three way like this would work..
I agree about Iverson not being in a Kings uniform. Charlotte can almost take on all of Iverson's salary without worrying about the cap. So they don't really need a third team involved.
 
I've been trying to figure out a three way that lands AI in Indiana with the Kings involved, which is one of the rumors. Here's what I came up with:

Kings outgoing:
Kenny Thomas
Corliss Williamson

Kings incoming:
Jeff Foster
Steven Hunter
Shawne Williams (cap purposes)

Indiana outgoing:
Jeff Foster
Danny Granger
Jamaal Tinsley
Shawne Williams
2007 1st

Indiana incoming:
Allen Iverson

Phildelphia outgoing:
Allen Iverson
Steven Hunter

Philadelphia incoming:
Danny Granger
Kenny Thomas
Jamaal Tinsley
Corliss Williamson
Indiana 2007 1st

I realize it's pretty ugly, but maybe something along those lines?
 
Ideal Lineup

Ideal Kings Lineup

Allen Iverson (Tru Warrior :D )
Kevin Martin (Sky's the limit/great versatile game)
Ron Artest (Defensive beast/#2 star)(Also Tru Warrior)
Shareef Abdur-Rahim (Good inside scorer for cheap)
Marcus Camby (Best D center around)

Earl Boykins (Scoring Machine off Bench for D Team)
Anrde Igudala (Crazy Athletic for back up 2)
Francisco Garcia (Still very versatile and good defender)
Reggie Evans (Best Garbage Man Possible with AI/Ron)
Brad Miller (Can Also play starting PF with Camby :D )

Ronnie Price (Or at second Point Guard cuz of D)
Quincy Douby (Please develop Douby!)

Make it Happen GP. Three way trade with philly and denver :D

Kings Nuggets Philly

Trade Trade Trade
Mike Bibby Earl Boykins Allen Iverson
Jason Hart Reggie Evans Andre Igudala
John Salmons Joe Smith Samuel Dalembert
Corliss Williamson Marcus Camby
Kenny Thomas
Maurice Taylor
Vitaly Potapenko
2nd Round Draft Pick

To Sacramento To Denver To Philly

Allen Iverson Jason Hart Mike Bibby
Earl Boykins John Salmons Joe Smith
Andre Igudala Kenny Thomas Corliss Williamson
Reggie Evans Samuel Dalembert Maurice Taylor (Waived)
Marcus Camby 2nd rd. Draft Pick Vitaly Potapenko (Waived)

New Lineups
Kings Nuggets Philly

AI/Boykins/Price Miller/Hart Bibby/Ollie
K$/Igudala/Douby Smith/Salmons Green/Williams
Artest/Garcia Carmello/Johnson Korver/Rookie Forwards...
Shareef/Evans KMart/Thomas/Najera Webber/Smith
Camby/Miller Dalembert/Nene Hunter/Potopenko
 
I've been trying to figure out a three way that lands AI in Indiana with the Kings involved, which is one of the rumors. Here's what I came up with:

Kings outgoing:
Kenny Thomas
Corliss Williamson

Kings incoming:
Jeff Foster
Steven Hunter
Shawne Williams (cap purposes)

Indiana outgoing:
Jeff Foster
Danny Granger
Jamaal Tinsley
Shawne Williams
2007 1st

Indiana incoming:
Allen Iverson

Phildelphia outgoing:
Allen Iverson
Steven Hunter

Philadelphia incoming:
Danny Granger
Kenny Thomas
Jamaal Tinsley
Corliss Williamson
Indiana 2007 1st

I realize it's pretty ugly, but maybe something along those lines?

I'd do that for us, but philly would have too many players...They're already at 15 for their team. Be great to add Foster and Hunter though wouldn't it.
 
I've been trying to figure out a three way that lands AI in Indiana with the Kings involved, which is one of the rumors. Here's what I came up with...
That's even uglier for the Sixers. Isn't that essentially Granger and a pick for Iverson?

On the other hand, they'd have one of the most expensive power forward duos. Or even trios.
 
That's even uglier for the Sixers. Isn't that essentially Granger and a pick for Iverson?

On the other hand, they'd have one of the most expensive power forward duos.
Well, Tinsley, Granger and a pick for Iverson, and yeah, I think I'd throw a chair through a window if I were a Sixers fan and that went through.

On the other hand, Mr. King is the one who gave Kenny his 7 year, $50 million deal, so he may see something in Kenny that 300 million other Americans do not.
 
Well, Tinsley, Granger and a pick for Iverson, and yeah, I think I'd throw a chair through a window if I were a Sixers fan and that went through.

On the other hand, Mr. King is the one who gave Kenny his 7 year, $50 million deal, so he may see something in Kenny that 300 million other Americans do not.
I guess I put Tinsley with Corliss and Thomas.

I've been thinking about the Webber deal in light of all of this. Do you think either King or Petrie is happy with how that has turned out? Why would the even talk to each other again?
 
Well, Tinsley, Granger and a pick for Iverson, and yeah, I think I'd throw a chair through a window if I were a Sixers fan and that went through.

On the other hand, Mr. King is the one who gave Kenny his 7 year, $50 million deal, so he may see something in Kenny that 300 million other Americans do not.

Maybe King is the only one with a bag of doritos.
 
Just for fun, how about a strait up trade for AI…and Webber!
The numbers work if we give them Bibby/Hart/Potapenko/Kenny/Corliss

New Kings Lineup

Allen Iverson
Kevin Martin
Ron Artest
Chris Webber
Brad Miller

Ronnie Price
John Salmons
Francisco Garcia
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Maurice Taylor

Quincy Douby
Justin Williams (Plz)
 

Warhawk

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Chat with John Hollinger 12-11-06

Robbie, CA: Who wuld the Kings have to give up to get AI?

John Hollinger: (2:10 PM ET ) Mike Bibby would be the centerpiece, and they'd have to throw in a few other scraps (I'm sure Philly would ask for Kevin Martin, too, and I'm equally sure Sacto would say no). Can you imagine AI and Artest together? No team would play harder, yet no team would be more difficult to coach.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=13943
 

gunks

Hall of Famer
Artest is complaining about his touches now...What happens if we get AI? Dude scores 30 pts a game on what? 25 shots?

Nobody can play with Iverson. If we're involved I hope its in a multi-team deal and we dont end up with AI.
 
Artest is complaining about his touches now...What happens if we get AI? Dude scores 30 pts a game on what? 25 shots?

Nobody can play with Iverson. If we're involved I hope its in a multi-team deal and we dont end up with AI.
AI has a strong enough personality and a good enough offensive game that Ron might just defer to him on the offensive end. Although the popular belief is that nobdody can play with AI, he seemed to pretty well in 2001 when he made it to the Finals.
 

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
Artest may complain about touches now but I seriously doubt if that would be the case if we got Iverson. You have an offensive leader like Iverson, paired with the defensive juggernaut that is Artest, and you have a potential to go down in history, one way or the other... ;)

Ron is a warrior. He wants to win. I'm not sure how it would work out, of course, but I don't think we can assume Iverson would automatically be the same here as he has been in Philadelphia. He would be here on a mission, to prove that they were wrong about him. It might just end up putting that championship banner in the rafters.
 
I just spoke with somebody who has a lot of knowledge about this situation right now in Philly.

And the Kings are front running this...and they are working on something as we speak.

Bobcats are a VERY close 2nd, and the Celtics are a distant 3rd at this moment.
 
Also, I think there's going to be a honeymoon period when AI comes to his new team where he'll try to fit in and defer to a certain extent to his teammates and be humble and try and fit in. The dynamic is going to be much different coming to a new place with 11 guys who have been doing things one way for a while than it is in Philly, where it's always been AI's town and AI's team. Not sure how long that will last, but you can count on at least a grace period.
 
Bobcats: Won't 'mortgage future' for Iverson

RICK BONNELL

The Charlotte Bobcats won't give up young talent to acquire Allen Iverson, according to the team's coach-general manager.

"We're not interested in mortgaging the future,'' Bernie Bickerstaff said Monday, when asked if the team will make an offer for Iverson. "We're pleased with our young players and we don't want to part with any of them.

"We will not mortgage our future.''

Bickerstaff told the Observer Saturday that the team inquired about Iverson's availability in trade. Management with the Philadelphia 76ers has said it intends to grant Iverson's request for a trade.

The Bobcats have millions in room under the NBA's salary cap, and Bickerstaff said he'd listen if other teams wanted to use that cap room to facilitate a deal. However, Bickerstaff said he hadn't been approached about such a scenario.


http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/basketball/16215693.htm

(just posted on Charlotte Observer website)
 

gunks

Hall of Famer
Artest may complain about touches now but I seriously doubt if that would be the case if we got Iverson. You have an offensive leader like Iverson, paired with the defensive juggernaut that is Artest, and you have a potential to go down in history, one way or the other... ;)

Ron is a warrior. He wants to win. I'm not sure how it would work out, of course, but I don't think we can assume Iverson would automatically be the same here as he has been in Philadelphia. He would be here on a mission, to prove that they were wrong about him. It might just end up putting that championship banner in the rafters.
Whoa! Now thats optimism!

If he ends up here and that happens you can feel free to give me an "I told you so!"

Speculation is so fun though....Can you imagine the threads that will pop up if we DO land AI?
 

gunks

Hall of Famer
Bobcats: Won't 'mortgage future' for Iverson

RICK BONNELL

The Charlotte Bobcats won't give up young talent to acquire Allen Iverson, according to the team's coach-general manager.

"We're not interested in mortgaging the future,'' Bernie Bickerstaff said Monday, when asked if the team will make an offer for Iverson. "We're pleased with our young players and we don't want to part with any of them.

"We will not mortgage our future.''

Bickerstaff told the Observer Saturday that the team inquired about Iverson's availability in trade. Management with the Philadelphia 76ers has said it intends to grant Iverson's request for a trade.

The Bobcats have millions in room under the NBA's salary cap, and Bickerstaff said he'd listen if other teams wanted to use that cap room to facilitate a deal. However, Bickerstaff said he hadn't been approached about such a scenario.


http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/basketball/16215693.htm

(just posted on Charlotte Observer website)
Wont mortgage future huh?

There goes my Brad for Emeka trade idea :p
 

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
Whoa! Now thats optimism!

If he ends up here and that happens you can feel free to give me an "I told you so!"

Speculation is so fun though....Can you imagine the threads that will pop up if we DO land AI?
I said "might"... It also might rain pigs this afternoon. And I might win the lottery.

It's ALL speculation at this point.
 
I really don't think that many other teams out there have enough talent to get this done as the Kings do. Bibby is a proven commodity at this point and has proven that he and Webb are great together. If it works out for Philly with Bibby then great. If not, then he'll probably opt out and they get a ton of cap space two years before they would have had they held on to AI. I'm also not that down on adding Martin in the mix if it would get us Iggy back. However, I do not think that Martin's growth would be stunted at all by pairing him in the backcourt with AI. It would one thing if Martin needed 18-20 shots a night to be effective, but he doesn't. He has shown to put up big numbers with a limited number of shot attempts plus he knows how to get to the line.
 
I just spoke with somebody who has a lot of knowledge about this situation right now in Philly.

And the Kings are front running this...and they are working on something as we speak.

Bobcats are a VERY close 2nd, and the Celtics are a distant 3rd at this moment.
What kind of source is this...? I beleive you, but I'm curious.
 
Doubt he can say much more. Ezekiel has proven a reliable source in the past but at this point I'm sure everything could change in a heartbeat in any negotiations.
 
I've just spent the last two hours looking over comments, articles and Web sites.

And considering Ezekielbear just chimed in and let us know the Kings are the frontrunners for AI, I can only agree.

All signs are pointing to the Kings being in contention for him, judging from comments, The Bee, what other teams have said, and what Sacramento is currently capable of offering.

I doubt Kevin Martin will be involved in this deal as he's a big part of the future -- unless it returns an amazing big man in the trade, which I don't think will happen.

This is purely my own speculation here, but I think the deal will end up being Bibby + expiring contract for AI. I'm thinking Corliss Williamson as the expiring contract.

If this goes down, the biggest change for me personally is I'll have to come up with another avatar. :p