Light-rail stop near arena urged

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(Note: there is a new arena location on the map)

http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/30582.html
Light-rail stop near arena urged
RT envisions trolleys bringing thousands to events at the proposed railyard facility.
By Tony Bizjak - Bee Staff Writer
Last Updated 12:30 am PDT Thursday, September 28, 2006
Story appeared in METRO section, Page B1



Sacramento Regional Transit officials this week said they want to build a light-rail station near a proposed downtown sports and entertainment arena -- and transport at least 20 percent of the people attending Kings games or other arena events.

"The closer, the better," Regional Transit General Manager Beverly Scott said of the proximity of a rail stop to an arena. "Each block counts."

A recent RT study shows public transit plays a notable role in bringing fans to downtown arenas and ballparks in other cities.

The numbers vary: Up to 41 percent of those going to San Francisco Giants baseball games take transit to AT&T Park; 15 percent take Bay Area Rapid Transit trains to basketball games at the Oakland Arena; while just 3 percent do at Staples Center in Los Angeles.

"It's clear when transit service is provided -- that is quality service -- people will use it," Scott said this week, throwing her agency into the transportation debate at the proposed arena.

RT officials say they believe they can cobble together funds and have a station ready to go if and when an arena is built in the largely vacant railyard in downtown's northwest corner.

Sacramento County voters will be asked Nov. 7 whether they are willing to help finance an arena through a quarter-cent sales-tax increase. About half the estimated $1.2 billion in revenues is proposed for an arena, and the rest for other as yet undetermined improvement projects across the county.

Negotiations on details of the financing deal, however, have stalled.

Fans park an estimated 8,000-plus cars during Kings games at Arco Arena in Natomas. The team collects those parking revenues.

Team officials this week declined to comment on RT's desire to transport at least 3,600 fans to and from games, saying they haven't seen any specifics of RT's plans.

Kings President John Thomas said "some form of enhanced mass transit" generally does play a role in downtown redevelopment projects, including arenas, but cautioned that "every city is different."

"From our standpoint we just need to make sure that our customers who love what they have at the current location and do not view a downtown as ... (necessarily a better site) have assurance there is sufficient, safe and available parking," Thomas said.

Representatives for the city and the private company that intends to develop the railyard said they welcome light rail as a travel mode for arena events, and said the transit trains should play a key role in bringing people to the area's restaurants, stores, offices and residences.

A station near the arena would help reduce congestion, Sacramento Assistant City Manager John Dangberg said. That way, some fans would drive, some would take light rail, and those who live in the area or who work nearby could walk to and from the railyard district.

County Supervisor Roger Dickinson, the RT board chairman, said he has enjoyed taking transit to sports events in other downtowns, and thinks Sacramentans would too. "Simply put, it's fun."

Suheil Totah, project manager for Thomas Enterprises, which is planning apartments, offices, stores and restaurants in the railyard, said his company wants light rail, but prefers that it be a few blocks away.

"You want to create this great walking experience where you can get off a train and walk through a district with restaurants and retail uses," he said. "We don't want to create another Arco where people drive up ... and just leave. We want people to stay and enjoy a drink, or dinner or shop."

Totah said one of main avenues -- a meandering Fifth Street -- is planned to have only one lane in each direction, but extra wide sidewalks.

"It's a European feel we are trying to communicate," he said. "It's unusual for Sacramento."

Other key streets in the district, however, would be larger, with four and possibly six lanes.

The latest drawings for the district put the arena three blocks, or less than 300 yards, from the proposed Seventh Street light-rail station.

RT currently is building a station at the Amtrak depot at the southern end of the railyard, but a closer station would get substantially more use, RT officials said.

As envisioned by RT, the arena station could run trains directly to and from the transit agency's three existing light-rail lines.

One of those lines runs through Rancho Cordova and ends in the city of Folsom. It would be approximately a one-hour ride, end to end. RT officials say they plan a faster, limited-stop train on that line.

A second light-rail line runs to the junction of Interstate 80 and Watt Avenue.

The third line currently ends at Meadowview Road, but in the next few years is scheduled to be extended to Cosumnes River College.

The railyard light-rail station would be the first station on a line RT plans to extend, some day, from downtown, through Natomas to Sacramento International Airport.
 
#2
If you notice the moved arena is now further away from the retail and resturant side of Big Four Blvd. If they decided to address that issue, is there any doubt that they also figured out what to do with the parking?
 
#3
This looks very nice.

If you consider 18,000 attentdants minus the 3,600 proposed to take public transit, you still have 14,400 attendants that will have to park. Figure average 3 people per car leaves a needed 4,800 parking spaces. I think a middle ground will be found. I predict that the Maloofs will concede some of their 8,000 spaces if it makes sense and they can find an alternative revenue source to make up for the losses.
 
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Oh, the irony. Anyway, here is my math:

18,000 fans:

4,000 arrive by light rail, 1500 walk because they live or work downtown, 1500 arrive from chartered buses from Roseville/Rocklin and perhaps Davis, leaving 11,000 to arrive by car divided by 2.25 people per car and you have a need for 5,000 parking spaces.

Conservative estimates I think. Fewer parking spaces may even be adequate. 8,000 spots is just overkill and a waste of valuable downtown real estate.
 
#5
Parking again... still? Hey did I mention:

THE ARENA SITE MOVED.

Sorry for the interruption there. Please continue beating this parking horse until some actual plans become available to review.

Just a side note since I didn't see it brought up. When John Thomas was on 1140 the other morning he mentioned that the orginal parking plans had some major security issues. They had located public parking underneath the arena and the NBA objected because of the fear of car bombing and it's location directly under the building. So before everyone gets the tar and feathers out for the Maloofs, why don't we wait until some more solid info gets put out. Obviously there is more to this than weve been given so far.
 

VF21

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Oh, the irony. Anyway, here is my math:

18,000 fans:

4,000 arrive by light rail, 1500 walk because they live or work downtown, 1500 arrive from chartered buses from Roseville/Rocklin and perhaps Davis, leaving 11,000 to arrive by car divided by 2.25 people per car and you have a need for 5,000 parking spaces.

Conservative estimates I think. Fewer parking spaces may even be adequate. 8,000 spots is just overkill and a waste of valuable downtown real estate.
And what if the proposed light rail doesn't come to pass? And what if the chartered bus traffic you're predicting doesn't come to pass? You don't make initial plans on best-case scenarios. You have to leave some wiggle room.

Yes, there may be a way to cut down on the 8,000 parking spots. OR there might be a way to utilize them during the day for state workers, who could then either walk or catch a bus or light rail to their respective downtown offices.
 
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Oh, the irony. Anyway, here is my math:

18,000 fans:

4,000 arrive by light rail, 1500 walk because they live or work downtown, 1500 arrive from chartered buses from Roseville/Rocklin and perhaps Davis, leaving 11,000 to arrive by car divided by 2.25 people per car and you have a need for 5,000 parking spaces.

Conservative estimates I think. Fewer parking spaces may even be adequate. 8,000 spots is just overkill and a waste of valuable downtown real estate.
Incredibly enough, you came up with more needed spots than me.
JBKings is right, parking is an issue.......that may end up already being worked out. I say - wait and see what they come up with next and go from there.
 

VF21

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If I am out in left field, I guess that I am there with Roger D.

VF, your cynicism is beginning to rival AS and Wert.
kupman - At this point, you have crossed a line. I will no longer discuss/debate with you. That comment was TOTALLY uncalled for and insulting.
 

6th

Homer Fan Since 1985
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Too bad you picked a small part to find funny. What is your response to the "uncalled for and insulting?"

It seems to me that you have crossed the line on more than one occasion. You are not talking about the issue/message/opinion. You are attacking the person behind the opinion. :mad: