Sacbee: Proposal 'blindsided' Maloofs

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http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/23786.html

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Developer acknowledges arena plan left out key provisions.

By Terri Hardy and Mary Lynne Vellinga - Bee Staff Writers

Last Updated 12:46 am PDT Friday, September 15, 2006
Story appeared in MAIN NEWS section, Page A1

Kings owners Joe and Gavin Maloof went public Thursday with an impassioned recounting of the ways in which they say they were betrayed last week in negotiations to put an arena in the downtown railyard.

In an emotional, 90-minute session with The Bee, the Maloofs defended their reputation against those in the community who say they just want to move the team. They also said they were "blindsided" by a plan for the railyard that they say shortchanged them on both land and parking.

Thursday night, the developer of the railyard said the Maloofs had a point

In a disastrous dinner meeting Sept. 5, a preliminary plan for the arena presented to the Maloofs failed to include several key provisions the brothers said they were counting on, said Suheil Totah, project manager for Thomas Enterprises, which is negotiating to buy the railyard from Union Pacific.

The Maloofs were enraged, saying they had already negotiated these points with the city and county, only to see them lopped off with the arena campaign already under way.

They announced Wednesday they were through talking until the city, county and developer came up with a plan that met their needs -- a statement that dealt a staggering blow to the campaign to pass a sales tax increase to pay for an arena.

"We were shaken; we had an agreement," Joe Maloof said, describing his reaction to the meeting with Thomas Enterprises. "We had talked for months and months. We were flabbergasted."

Totah acknowledged Thursday that the "plan did not reflect the deal" and said his firm would go back to the drawing board and redesign the planned sports and entertainment zone to address the Maloofs' concerns.

"There was a lot of miscommunication," Totah said. "We're committed to making this right, to move forward and resolve all the issues."
Atlanta-based Thomas Enterprises is scheduled to meet with the city and county of Sacramento today, along with the architecture firm Ellerbee Becket, which designed several arenas used as models by the Maloofs, including FedExForum in Memphis, Tenn.

"We have the same goal: To make sure there's adequate room on that site to operate an arena," said county economic development chief Paul Hahn. "I guess the difference is we still think it can be done."

He said the Maloofs have been invited back to the table, but they "are not answering our calls."

Complicating the matter is the contention by Hahn and Sacramento Assistant City Manager John Dangberg that there was never any agreement to provide the Maloofs with revenue from 8,000 parking spaces, as the brothers assert. Nor was there a deal, they say, to prohibit competing restaurants from operating outside the arena's front door.

They say they have no problem with providing the 8.5 acres the Maloofs say they need for the arena, if that's what it takes.
Despite participating in months of volatile negotiations with the Maloof organization, Dangberg and Hahn said they viewed the Sept. 5 negotiating session as a casual exchange of ideas on a preliminary design by architect Jon Jerde, who is affiliated with the railyard project.

"What we had decided a week before in a teleconference was that Jerde's architect would put a drawing together to try to work out everybody's needs and see if it would fit on the site. Then we would get together and brainstorm," Hahn said.

"I never went into that meeting thinking it was the county's proposal,
the city proposal or even Thomas Enterprises' proposal," he said.
But for the Maloofs, the rendering was a shocking deal breaker at the end of six years of attempts to come up with a workable plan to replace Arco Arena.

Tony Guanci, an Orange County developer who represented the Maloofs at the meeting, said the arena was elevated "on this pedestal with a bunch of stairs leading up to it," a design that allowed it to sit on just 4.5 acres of land, but which would cramp vital "back of the house" operations.

The Kings practice facility, meanwhile, was located in the seventh floor of the adjacent parking garage.

Guanci said the seven-story garage for VIP ticket holders would have taken an hour to exit.

Instead, Guanci said, the plan seemed designed to better accommodate a Bass Pro Shops outlet that Thomas has signed for the railyard than the arena.

Totah said his firm has a "signed letter of intent" with Bass Pro, and "they're important, too."

Gavin Maloof has a different vision of the sports and entertainment district. "We're the anchor tenant," he said. "Bass Pro is a junior tenant."

In a candid session inside their Arco Arena conference room, the Maloof brothers laid out their side of the story to Bee reporters.
Joe Maloof, dressed in a purple Kings jersey, was agitated, running his fingers through his hair, bolting out of his chair and at times nearly shouting.

Sporting his Monarchs WNBA championship ring, Gavin Maloof was insistent on debunking what he described as myths surrounding his family.

He said they're tired of being perceived by a significant portion of the Sacramento public as Las Vegas millionaires who should build the arena with their own money, and who really just want to leave town, anyway.

With a payroll totaling between $65 million and $75 million a year, the team needs every source of revenue it can get, he said.

"There's this myth that all of the sudden we're going to make $100 million a year," Gavin Maloof said. "That's the casino business, not this business. You lose fortunes in sports, you don't make fortunes in sports."

The Maloofs said it's unrealistic to expect sports team owners in cities such as Sacramento, without a large corporate base, to pay for their own arenas.

"It would be a bloody disaster," Joe Maloof said. "Nobody in America could come here to this market, build it privately and expect to last more than three years without a sea of red ink."

Both brothers said that despite the intense speculation about wanting to move the team, they're committed to Sacramento -- where they've paid to field a team that's repeatedly gone to the playoffs.

"We love Sacramento," Joe Maloof said. "We've been here for eight years now. We've given a lot back to the community. We're proud to be in Sacramento."

They had nothing but good things to say about the community leaders running the campaign for measures Q and R, which would raise the sales tax in Sacramento County by a quarter-cent and ask voters if they would like to split the $1.2 billion proceeds between an arena and community projects.

The Maloof family was expected to be a major funder of the campaign, but Joe and Gavin Maloof said they can't contribute until the city and county produce a workable arena deal downtown.
In their absence, proponents for measures Q and R have turned to Thomas Enterprises for help.

"We need Thomas," said River Cats executive Warren Smith, who is running the campaign's fundraising. "We've got a campaign to win."
Totah said Thomas agreed Thursday to help fund the campaign, but did not commit to a dollar amount.

Campaign proponents insisted they would soldier on with or without the Maloofs. But the news that the NBA owners had quit negotiating left some wondering how they could possibly win.

The Maloofs' behavior also left some of those supporting a publicly funded arena questioning if they really wanted to keep the team in Sacramento.

"Are they trying to position themselves in negotiations? Are they posturing? All these things raise questions in people's minds," said Matt Mahood, president and chief executive officer of the Sacramento Metropolitan Chamber of Commerce.

"That certainly has run through the minds of many people in this community and in this campaign -- that maybe the Maloofs don't want to stay in Sacramento," said campaign spokesman Doug Elmets.
Sacramento County Supervisor Roger Dickinson said he thinks the team owners do want to stay -- but perhaps only on their own financial terms.

Dickinson said negotiators for the team were fixated only on areas where they could lose revenue while ignoring potential profit centers, such as an electronic sign on the freeway where they could rent out space, or the possibility of wooing more events with a better facility.
Dickinson said the Maloofs think they "made a major concession" by agreeing to move downtown, when their patrons are happy with the Arco location.

"We see them as taking very little risk, and we see the need to have a partnership with people who will take at least some degree of risk because they're committed to the broader vision of Sacramento."
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< sighs>

another example of Joe and Gavin overreacting and acting like a 2 year olds. Colleen needs to ground them both... I kid... Sorta...

Fo the last 2 days I reaquainted myself with "George Carlins 7 Dirty words you don't say" whe thinking what Joe and Gavin are doing. I think they need to get a grip and mean what they say of late. If you truely love the community and want the Kings to stay. Show it. LIVE HERE for one! and 2 take a look from an outside perspective!:mad:
 

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Bass Pro Shops is a VERY popular store dedicated to the outdoors (Which btw, Is HUGE is Nor Cal.:D). They have stores in almost all major markets.

Honestly... That may be the first place i'd go to if its ever built:eek:;)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bass_Pro_Shops
My wife's relatives in Missouri love the place. I visited one and was impressed with the place. One of my wife's cousins was actually married in one. :eek:

I'm looking forward to having one in Sacramento.
 

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Thursday night, the developer of the railyard said the Maloofs had a point.

In a disastrous dinner meeting Sept. 5, a preliminary plan for the arena presented to the Maloofs failed to include several key provisions the brothers said they were counting on, said Suheil Totah, project manager for Thomas Enterprises, which is negotiating to buy the railyard from Union Pacific.

Totah acknowledged Thursday that the "plan did not reflect the deal" and said his firm would go back to the drawing board and redesign the planned sports and entertainment zone to address the Maloofs' concerns.

"There was a lot of miscommunication," Totah said. "We're committed to making this right, to move forward and resolve all the issues."

Complicating the matter is the contention by Hahn and Sacramento Assistant City Manager John Dangberg that there was never any agreement to provide the Maloofs with revenue from 8,000 parking spaces, as the brothers assert. Nor was there a deal, they say, to prohibit competing restaurants from operating outside the arena's front door.

They say they have no problem with providing the 8.5 acres the Maloofs say they need for the arena, if that's what it takes.

Despite participating in months of volatile negotiations with the Maloof organization, Dangberg and Hahn said they viewed the Sept. 5 negotiating session as a casual exchange of ideas on a preliminary design by architect Jon Jerde, who is affiliated with the railyard project.

"What we had decided a week before in a teleconference was that Jerde's architect would put a drawing together to try to work out everybody's needs and see if it would fit on the site. Then we would get together and brainstorm," Hahn said.

"I never went into that meeting thinking it was the county's proposal, the city proposal or even Thomas Enterprises' proposal," he said.

Guanci said the seven-story garage for VIP ticket holders would have taken an hour to exit.

With a payroll totaling between $65 million and $75 million a year, the team needs every source of revenue it can get, he said.

"There's this myth that all of the sudden we're going to make $100 million a year," Gavin Maloof said. "That's the casino business, not this business. You lose fortunes in sports, you don't make fortunes in sports."

Both brothers said that despite the intense speculation about wanting to move the team, they're committed to Sacramento -- where they've paid to field a team that's repeatedly gone to the playoffs.

"We love Sacramento," Joe Maloof said. "We've been here for eight years now. We've given a lot back to the community. We're proud to be in Sacramento."

Dickinson said negotiators for the team were fixated only on areas where they could lose revenue while ignoring potential profit centers, such as an electronic sign on the freeway where they could rent out space, or the possibility of wooing more events with a better facility.

Dickinson said the Maloofs think they "made a major concession" by agreeing to move downtown, when their patrons are happy with the Arco location.

"We see them as taking very little risk, and we see the need to have a partnership with people who will take at least some degree of risk because they're committed to the broader vision of Sacramento."
Where to start.....

Regarding the plan brought to the meeting - of COURSE it was a proposal. That's the reason they brought it. You don't come to a meeting with a plan you don't think will work! They have been talking for MONTHS about what was needed and with 6 weeks left you show up with something totally inadequate for "brainstorming" purposes? Who are you kidding?!?!?!? Even the Thomas Enterprises guy states that the plan didn't reflect the deal they had discussed and agreed to. A lot of miscommunication? Sounds more intentional to me.

A 7-story parking structure?!?!? I guess that's one way to include parking spots and still encourage mass transit.... :rolleyes: For a mall, I can see it, when you have staggered arrival and departure times. For a major sports facility with mass entrance and exit demands at set times? You know how hard it is to get into and out of ARCO right now - multiply that by 7 and getting in and out of parking wil take longer than the event itself.

I wish some would focus on MSE's long-term record - spending what it took to get to the brink of winning a championship and consistently fielding a playoff team. I think they have been trimming back a bit over the past year or two to see what happens arena-wise before commiting millions more into the team. With guaranteed revenue from the new arena deal, MSE will spend more to try to get back to that point. These guys want to win.

Wooing more events? They already hold about 180 per year at ARCO, and plan to hold about 200 per year in the new facility. When you account for event turnaround (setup/breakdown) time, maintenance, and scheduling issues, I'm not sure how many more you can squeese in a year.

I think most, in general, ARE happy with the current facility location except for the lack of mass transit access. The opportunity to revitalize the railyards area is huge, so relocating an arena there (provided traffic issues can be worked out) is a definite plus, with mass transit located nearby.

I agree that to a certain extent MSE is taking a risk, but not sure about the degree assessment. I'm not sure that when MSE is paying $4 million in rent and signing a 30-year lease and assuming all operating expenses you can say that they are "taking very little risk" with a straight face. With $65 million in payroll (just for players, not all the other employees), $4 million in rent, operating expenses, etc, that's a heck of a risk with a 30-year lease on a PROPOSED facility you DON'T control the design of. Too much risk on behalf of MSE? No, but not "very little risk" either.
 
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Well, I do feel differently after reading this. Sure it was for "brainstorming," but you don't show up with a beginning design that doesn't even come close to the agreement. That is just plain stupid and inept. I can't blame the Maloofs for being peeved about that. Altho I think the Maloofs over-react. They are clearly very emotional people. I like that emotion and passion when it comes to the team, but its not so good in the arena discussions.

As far as lowering payroll on the team, the Maloofs knew they had reached the limit on ticket prices. With a lot of other costs going up that they have to control over, payroll is the easiest place to exert some control. I don't think its a coincidence that they finally got under the luxury cap this last season and this coming season is the first time they aren't raising prices. People around here want the Maloofs to spend whever it takes on payroll, but that's just untenable.

As to event turn-around. I think they will be able to turn around events much faster in a new arena. The study (and the exact info is in a thread here) shows that Arco has about half or less of the normal loading docks and has a really tiny marshalling area. These are among the promary reason some events are now skipping Arco. The arena just can't handle them. We also know the problems with ice-making at the arena.
 

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Altho I think sometimes the Maloofs over-react.

Yes, they do, and it hurts their reputation when it gets out. I think it comes from competitiveness and desire for excellence. Why waste time on something that doesn't come close to what you need? Why did someone else think it would be beneficial to waste their time as well?
 
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I am glad that the Maloofs did explain the economic feasibilty of paying for the entire arena themselves, like so many voters seem to want them to do. If I hear that demand one more time from my friends/acquaintances, I'm going to scream. So many think that that is just so easy and possible for them to do.

A parking garage?? Are they kidding? I can't imagine the nightmare that would create. With the high volume of cars, it would be very impossible to enter and exit safely and quickly.
 
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If done right, a parking garage is the best solution in a downtown area. The alternative is acres of asphalt like at the current Arco. That would not be at all conducive to a "walkable" downtown. Its also a waste of prime real estate, not the highest and best use. Almost all the parking downtown, including for the Community Center, is parking garages.
 
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Yeah, a parking garage that'd take an hour to get out of. That's a great idea.

The problem here is that in the meetings that were done too quickly, and with inadequate public input, is that neither side really had an idea of what the overall vision was. It looks like both sides are living up to their sides of the agreement, but the agreement is so vague that it has an infinite number of interpretations. The odds of both sides compromising is very, very slim.

For all of you who think we should proceed with an arena, with or without the Maloofs, I found this very cautionary tale:

http://www.pitch.com/Issues/2006-09-07/news/feature.html

One more thing (I've discussed 3 things already... Sorry). Joe Maloof's quote:

"Nobody in America could come here to this market, build it privately and expect to last more than three years without a sea of red ink."

What he's saying here, and I find this incredibly gross, is that he wants someone else to lose money so he doesn't have to. That is, the taxpayer. As I said, if this was private company A building an arena for private company B, private company A would have left the discussion long ago. Why should someone lose money so you don't have to??
 

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If done right, a parking garage is the best solution in a downtown area. The alternative is acres of asphalt like at the current Arco. That would not be at all conducive to a "walkable" downtown. Its also a waste of prime real estate, not the highest and best use. Almost all the parking downtown, including for the Community Center, is parking garages.
I'm not against a parking arena (it is the best idea), but it is going to heve to be well designed for rapid entry and exit and not 7 freaking stories tall.
 
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I'm not against a parking arena (it is the best idea), but it is going to heve to be well designed for rapid entry and exit and not 7 freaking stories tall.
Well, they could have seven stories, but put some of them underground, altho that's definitley more expensive. I think garages empty fairly well, if there are enough exits and if people pay as they enter for big events, instead of paying upon exit. That's what they do for big events at a lot of the downtown garages.
 

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"Nobody in America could come here to this market, build it privately and expect to last more than three years without a sea of red ink."

What he's saying here, and I find this incredibly gross, is that he wants someone else to lose money so he doesn't have to. That is, the taxpayer. As I said, if this was private company A building an arena for private company B, private company A would have left the discussion long ago. Why should someone lose money so you don't have to??
What he's saying here is it doesn't matter who the owners are, they are all going to have to get the same treatment to have a team here. Ignore the Maloofs for a moment. IT ISN'T FINANCIALLY VIABLE FOR A TEAM - ANY TEAM - TO BUILD AN ARENA HERE PRIVATELY. PERIOD.

Cities and counties are NOT private companies. They take in taxes and fees to operate and are not revenue generators! Cities/Counties have numerous facilities they maintain for the good of the public without monetary return. Roads are not a money maker for us but are for trucking and parcel delivery companies, for example. An arena is an attempt by a city/county to provide entertainment and to bring in more people to the area (generating more tax/fee income for itself) using a "loss leader". The question is how much tax are you comfortable paying for the ability to host culteral events. It's worth $50 (or whatever) a year to me.....
 

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Well, they could have seven stories, but put some of them underground, altho that's definitley more expensive. I think garages empty fairly well, if there are enough exits and if people pay as they enter for big events, instead of paying upon exit. That's what they do for big events at a lot of the downtown garages.
Good point - I don't think I've ever done that before. The infrastructure would just have to be well-designed to handle the demand for a few blocks until traffic makes it to the freeway.
 
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While I'm agreeing with many of you on some points, I think I have another one that few of you will dispute: It does no good when Joe and/or Gavin have public tempter tantrums. They had one in the Bee offices during the course of this interview. I tell you, every time they do that, it just adds another thousand or so votes to the "No" column.

Someone needs to coach them way, way better.

I mean, sheesh, refusing to take phone calls. What is this, an episode of "Laverne and Shirley"? Look, Joe and Gavin, if you want to get this done, pick up the phone! If you think you can't contain your temper, then fine, hire someone who can.

It's not that hard.
 
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That much, I do agree with. Joe and Gavin are not helping the cause. Its too bad, because that kind of emotion and passion is what has spurred their business success and I love their passion for the teams. Unfortunately, it does not work very well for public relations in touchy negotiations.
 
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If done right, a parking garage is the best solution in a downtown area. The alternative is acres of asphalt like at the current Arco. That would not be at all conducive to a "walkable" downtown. Its also a waste of prime real estate, not the highest and best use. Almost all the parking downtown, including for the Community Center, is parking garages.
But how can one be designed that would be safe, timely, and effective? I don't see how that could be done with the high volume of people that the arena would produce. The community center is not a good comparison as it has multiple parking garages spread around the area, plus it doesn't hold nearly the capacity that this arena would.
 
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There are far more commuters parked in multi-level garages every day in downtown than this garage would hold. I just don't see it as a huge issue.

I found it interesting when I heard that the Giants stadium (I forget what its called now) in SF holds forty thousahd people and has a 5,000-space parking lot that is never full, even when the stadium is.
 
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While I'm agreeing with many of you on some points, I think I have another one that few of you will dispute: It does no good when Joe and/or Gavin have public tempter tantrums. They had one in the Bee offices during the course of this interview. I tell you, every time they do that, it just adds another thousand or so votes to the "No" column.

Someone needs to coach them way, way better.

I mean, sheesh, refusing to take phone calls. What is this, an episode of "Laverne and Shirley"? Look, Joe and Gavin, if you want to get this done, pick up the phone! If you think you can't contain your temper, then fine, hire someone who can.

It's not that hard.
At least this is one point that I would agreed with you. Their tempers do not bother me...however, the public display of the tempers may cost the measures passing. Not smart at all. Do it behind close doors where nobody can see or here you - it is what I do:D .

The idea that the arena should either be profitable or should not be built at all does not wash with me. If I lived my personal life like that I would not own a TV, I would not buy pretty pictures and flowers for my house and I would never go out to eat. Entertainment is rarely profitable, but entertainment is neccessary for quality of life.
 
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There are far more commuters parked in multi-level garages every day in downtown than this garage would hold. I just don't see it as a huge issue.

I found it interesting when I heard that the Giants stadium (I forget what its called now) in SF holds forty thousahd people and has a 5,000-space parking lot that is never full, even when the stadium is.
It is not a huge issue. Plus I do not want the arena surronded by a giagantic parking lot. When I have visited other venues in other cities I have primarily relied on a combination of public transportation and "the heel to toe express" and -get this - it was a nice experience.
 
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The problem with a garage like that, and here I go, sympathizing with the Maloofs again, is emptying the entire garage in a short period of time. Sure, the garage across the street from where I work has no problem emptying, but only because not all 2,000 cars try to exit at once.

The lot at Arco isn't much different from the lot at Arden Fair, but it takes 5 minutes to get out of Arden Fair. Why? Because not all cars leave at once.

How many of you have ever left after the final buzzer at Arco and gotten on the freeway in under 10 minutes? I never have.

It's a good argument for light rail, except I'd never leave my beater at the Meadowview, Power Inn or Watt stations after dark.

This is a very, very complex deal.
 
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The problem with a garage like that, and here I go, sympathizing with the Maloofs again, is emptying the entire garage in a short period of time. Sure, the garage across the street from where I work has no problem emptying, but only because not all 2,000 cars try to exit at once.

The lot at Arco isn't much different from the lot at Arden Fair, but it takes 5 minutes to get out of Arden Fair. Why? Because not all cars leave at once.

How many of you have ever left after the final buzzer at Arco and gotten on the freeway in under 10 minutes? I never have.

It's a good argument for light rail, except I'd never leave my beater at the Meadowview, Power Inn or Watt stations after dark.

This is a very, very complex deal.
The big idea here though is that if you put the arena downtown, people will leave and arrive at many different times. This is the fun part. Get downtown 1-2 hours before the game, have a meal, a drink and maybe some shopping. After the game, you go out and celebrate (or drown your sorrows at the nearest pub). Seriously, being downtown after a big win could be alot of fun.

People may want to hang out just to avoid the traffic and then discover that it is a lot of fun. This is the thing that the Arco site completely lacks.
 

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The big idea here though is that if you put the arena downtown, people will leave and arrive at many different times.
The following is directed primarily towards evening events during the week.

I would guess (and this is just my guess) that most people are arriving after work from various locations, so the arrival time may be somewhat varied. A lot of us have kids and/or pets that we need to take care of before arriving, so most folks still arrive within 1/2 hour of the game/event start (drive home after work to take care of things and then go to game).

I think it's the getting out that would be more difficult than getting in. I don't know about you, but I get up early for work. I am not going to be hitting the town after a 10:00 end time for a Kings game. I've got a 30-45 minute drive/light rail ride home before I can go to bed.

Pulling into parking spots is easy, it's all the inconsiderate yahoos backing out of them (or not letting people back out) that's going to be problematic. :mad:
 

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While I'm agreeing with many of you on some points, I think I have another one that few of you will dispute: It does no good when Joe and/or Gavin have public tempter tantrums. They had one in the Bee offices during the course of this interview. I tell you, every time they do that, it just adds another thousand or so votes to the "No" column.
The meeting wasn't held in the Bee offices.

Someone needs to coach them way, way better.
Showing emotion doesn't mean they were poorly "coached." It means they're passionate about what they're saying. The Maloofs may make some mistakes but they love the Kings, the Monarchs and they want to stay in Sacramento. It's when people try and shove those facts under the rug that they get upset and I cannot blame them.

I mean, sheesh, refusing to take phone calls. What is this, an episode of "Laverne and Shirley"? Look, Joe and Gavin, if you want to get this done, pick up the phone! If you think you can't contain your temper, then fine, hire someone who can.

It's not that hard.
There's probably a lot more to the scenario than we know about. The Maloofs themselves have NEVER indicated in any way, shape or form that they didn't want to try and get this deal done. If they're occasionally frustrated, look at the history of what's happened to them.

Those of us on the outside need to remember we do NOT know all the details.
 
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The following is directed primarily towards evening events during the week.

I would guess (and this is just my guess) that most people are arriving after work from various locations, so the arrival time may be somewhat varied. A lot of us have kids and/or pets that we need to take care of before arriving, so most folks still arrive within 1/2 hour of the game/event start (drive home after work to take care of things and then go to game).

I think it's the getting out that would be more difficult than getting in. I don't know about you, but I get up early for work. I am not going to be hitting the town after a 10:00 end time for a Kings game. I've got a 30-45 minute drive/light rail ride home before I can go to bed.

Pulling into parking spots is easy, it's all the inconsiderate yahoos backing out of them (or not letting people back out) that's going to be problematic. :mad:
Point taken, but I do think that you would be surpised at how a small variation in arrival and departure times (even on weeknights) would benefit traffic flow.

I think that you will be able to catch your zzzzzzz's. If you think that you might have it rough, just think of those poor fans on the East coast that are still in the stands at 12:30 am on a weeknight.
 

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I think that you will be able to catch your zzzzzzz's. If you think that you might have it rough, just think of those poor fans on the East coast that are still in the stands at 12:30 am on a weeknight.
Until the past couple months, we have had a 3-year old who doesn't really sleep (to bed late, up early, and up several times a night). I'm usually up before 5:30 for work. I need all the ZZZZs I can get!

As for the Right Coast folks, well, that's their fault for living in the land of high humidity! Who'd want to live there, anyways? ;) :D
 
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If you look at the plans on the city website, they contain a lot of drawings of the whole area and there is a vast amount of parking. I think this issue hasn't been presented entirely accurate. I think the issue is that what parking revenues are going to which entity. The developer has plans for a lot of parking located within yards of the arena. The entire underground structure on the other side of Big Four Blvd where all the retail and resturants are located has a bunch of parking. Look at this diagram for reference:
http://www.cityofsacramento.org/dsd...entral-shops-and-lower-level-parking-plan.pdf

Mix in the discussion over control of who builds what resturants nearby and I'm seeing the different picture.
 
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Given my views above, I feel there is an answer. On the nights when there are events at the arena, the parking garages not under Maloof control should give a percentage of their take to the Maloofs. If they can get that to roughly equal a total of 8,000 parking spaces at whatever the parking fee will be, then we might start making some ground up.

Bass Pro? Nice place, but it is dwarfed by the arena'a ability to be an anchor - no debate on that. The developer is being an idiot here.

Dining control - here's a big issue because I think it's only fair to have business compete for guests. I don't think it's good for the district to have a no-compete clause within a certain distance of the arena. My suggestion, offer the Maloofs the first right of refusal on resturant pads located within a certain distance of the arena. They should compete for guests just like every other business does.
 
#30
ok, i still need to fully read this thread, but concerning the parking garage:

it's impossible to plan for a parking solution that will get everyone out in the time that people here seem to demand. even if you have a traditional blacktop (infeasible because of the area it takes up and being an eye sore), it's not like there's 360 degrees of exits; you'll still have only a few points that will become bottlenecks when everyone leaves.

in a central business district, you are pretty much limited to a parking garage, and i don't understand how people can want to drive there and then complain about everyone else wanting to leave at the same time and causing traffic.