[Game] 51/82: Kings @ Portland Trail Blazers 06 FEB 2025, 7pm PT/10pm ET

Clips just lost as well. They're adjusting to kawhi coming back and he's always been on there team - so, imagine what it's like for our guys playing with strangers for the most part. Im not worried.
I... sort of am. The tools are here to do something great, but it has to be used properly. And the adjustment on the fly is going to be tough to get these guys comfortable playing offense together. You saw sprinkles of really great basketball in this one, but still just so disjointed.
 
Blazers have Scoot and Sharpe off the bench, but start Camara because he's a defensive weapon to surround their offensive hubs. They have all the pedigree and draft capital tied to them, but Camara gets the start because he helps them win. I'm honestly kind of furious now that we refuse to use Keon properly and are seemingly purposefully tanking this season because we don't want to hurt any feelings.

I don't want to hear a damn thing anymore about roster construction until we maximize Keon on the floor, especially in crunch time. He was incredible again tonight defensively...and he didn't play the last 9:26 of a close contest. Devin Carter had one of his better defensive games...again less than 10 minutes and only 2 minutes in the second half.

It's on Doug at this point.
True but the Kings did pretty well defensively in the 2nd half and 4th quarter. The only two players that really felt like they could be cooked at any moment were Malik and Deebo although Deebo stepped up at times.
 
Start Keon and finish with Keon. Lavine or Demar are going to have to go to the bench.
Keon needs to finish games 100% but old man Demar still got it in the 4th. I think I like the idea of Lavine off the bench but there's no way that's going to happen. Our FO isn't going to bench the guy we got for Fox.

Tricky situation for sure.
 
Also, another thing about this Kings team? I don't think trying to blast the league with speed is the right call. The Kings have to adapt to being a team that ISN'T built around Fox. The Kings have tools in Keon and Carter to lock teams down for a stretch. They have a big to ride in the post now with Valanciunas. They have DeMar and LaVine who can get buckets late in the clock. Time for coach Christie to find the right identity for THIS team. I get why they ran so much tonight because they didn't want the defense to get set, but use that clock to your advantage.
 
Yeh you have to give the Blazers credit. Defense keeps them in every game and then they get enough shooting from Simons and crew. Ayton still sucks.
Yeah, they're playing great ball. Looks like they figured out what really works for them and their core.

I think where I get beyond frustrated is we just get crushed from 3 over and over and over again and we have an elite defensive asset that can help curb that just sitting far too long. Potentially 2, but Christie doesn't trust him at all.

Kind of just clicked with me watching this game about how Camara plays more than Scoot and Sharpe...even with all the draft capital tied to those 2 guys. And can't say it's the wrong decision because he helps all their offensive hubs work. Dude was 2-13 tonight and was still incredibly impactful.

Deebo's got to put the hand up or Christie just has to make that decision and go forward. He's not going to get the full job if he continues down this path and keeping his defenders sidelined.
 
Austin Reaves had 16 freethrow attempts for the Lakers tonight LMAOOO NO ONE on the Kings will ever get a whistle like this. Unbelievable.
I will say, it's nice that the refs are finally getting to know Devin Carter. They are now looking for all the shenanigans bigs are pulling on him when he's defending. Bigs have been setting illegal screens, grabbing him, etc. The last two games he actually gotten some of those called.
 
People don't get it. Sometimes you just lose. Doesn't mean we need big changes. We just got them. Give it time
Agreed. The new guys haven’t even had a practice, don’t know the plays or schemes and are still learning the staples. Implementing a piece like LaVine will take some time as he gets used to the players and coaches and they get used to him.
 

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They look like a team that just met each other. It's not just adding Val and Lavine; it's also the subtraction of Fox and the elevation of Monk in his new role. It could take several weeks to really get the offense down. Currently, it's a lot of iso ball with little synchronicity and not nearly enough assists.

As an example, LaVine and Sabonis are not on the same page currently. If LaVine is receptive to coaching, I can see him making Sabonis better and vice-versa with the pick and roll. In these last couple of games he's not using Sabonis screens properly and Sabonis is compounding the problem with moving on his screens. Hopefully, with coaching, diligence and practice they can complement each other rather than just play independently of each other. I can see LaVine making everybody around him better if he puts his mind to it, but I don't know if he's the kind of player that is happy with just going out there and hooping or is willing to make an effort to improve his game. We will see....
I popped in to make this point, but you did a pretty good job covering it. Additionally, players need to feel how others will instinctively react. Yeah, the sets in offense and defense are simplified, which in the modern NBA is problematic (also why you saw a pretty standard zone the past two games) and we will take our lumps. We're not the same team that went on a run just a month ago, but if we can figure it all out soon, we could make a small dent in the playoffs. We look bad, but we're not really out of it.
 
Yeah, they're playing great ball. Looks like they figured out what really works for them and their core.

I think where I get beyond frustrated is we just get crushed from 3 over and over and over again and we have an elite defensive asset that can help curb that just sitting far too long. Potentially 2, but Christie doesn't trust him at all.

Kind of just clicked with me watching this game about how Camara plays more than Scoot and Sharpe...even with all the draft capital tied to those 2 guys. And can't say it's the wrong decision because he helps all their offensive hubs work. Dude was 2-13 tonight and was still incredibly impactful.

Deebo's got to put the hand up or Christie just has to make that decision and go forward. He's not going to get the full job if he continues down this path and keeping his defenders sidelined.
it’s not going to be Deebo. He basically admitted Mike asked him and he didn’t want to do it. Gotta lot of things to figure out on the fly here.
 
I popped in to make this point, but you did a pretty good job covering it. Additionally, players need to feel how others will instinctively react. Yeah, the sets in offense and defense are simplified, which in the modern NBA is problematic (also why you saw a pretty standard zone the past two games) and we will take our lumps. We're not the same team that went on a run just a month ago, but if we can figure it all out soon, we could make a small dent in the playoffs. We look bad, but we're not really out of it.
And to add, if this was all just about making the play in, Monte doesn't do a thing and hopes chemistry gets them there. This team is what they are rolling forward with for likely at least the next season. Keep building the flow. Summer league is when guys like Carter, Jones, maybe Crawford can take a big step forward and be reliable or featured parts.
 

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They’re a much better team than their record. Both Wagner and Banchero missed a lot of time, and now Suggs.
Records aside both teams have length that gives us trouble. I still don't think Blazers are for real and somehow they dropped the ball to move pieces this deadline that aren't really helping them. This was a clear year they should be competing for the #1 pick. But let's see the next stretch of games.
 

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Yeah, but they needed at least a 1 game buffer don't you think? The Kings hung in there with a streaking team at home. That has to be a decent sign of potential. If they come in with any less energy it will be a long night though.
Kings could have easily gotten blown out tonight like they did the last trip to Portland and instead it was a game until the final minute or so. I agree. Blazers are hot right now even if they aren't great, there are no moral victories but for a team that just moved in and out a half dozen guys vs. a team that stood pat this week I think it's a good sign.
 
Keon needs to finish games 100% but old man Demar still got it in the 4th. I think I like the idea of Lavine off the bench but there's no way that's going to happen. Our FO isn't going to bench the guy we got for Fox.

Tricky situation for sure.
It's more that he's being paid 44 million for the year. Keon currently makes 2.12. Carter is paid more than twice as much as Keon
 
it’s not going to be Deebo. He basically admitted Mike asked him and he didn’t want to do it. Gotta lot of things to figure out on the fly here.
Then LaVine. Or, you just close with Keon and one of LaVine or DDR doesn't close.

Basically, can't have our cake and eat it too. No more complaining about lack of defense/wing depth/length when our best defender sits the last 9:26 of a close game. Or our rookie FRP, that had one of his better defensive games making plays, played 2 minutes in the 2H. All that blame should be shifted to Doug because he's not utilizing the roster being given. And it's not like there isn't minutes available either.... DDR, Keegan, Zach and Monk were 37, 35, 36 and 38 minutes tonight. You're telling me you can find another 15-20 minutes to get your defenders on the floor?
 
Then LaVine. Or, you just close with Keon and one of LaVine or DDR doesn't close.

Basically, can't have our cake and eat it too. No more complaining about lack of defense/wing depth/length when our best defender sits the last 9:26 of a close game. Or our rookie FRP, that had one of his better defensive games making plays, played 2 minutes in the 2H. All that blame should be shifted to Doug because he's not utilizing the roster being given. And it's not like there isn't minutes available either.... DDR, Keegan, Zach and Monk were 37, 35, 36 and 38 minutes tonight. You're telling me you can find another 15-20 minutes to get your defenders on the floor?
Here's the tough call then. If LaVine is actually this capable as a defender, you don't want to be benching him. The breakdowns almost always start with Monk and swing over to DeMar.
 
As much as DeMarr help on offense, his defense sucks tbh. He lets guys penetrate easily. And once again, Doug is going zone defense and getting burned. Luckily, Portland didn't nail all those wide open 3s...but man, please stop playing zone. It never works. Keegan once again display his softness. His defense in pick n roll and going through screen is too slow letting guy shoot open shots. And then after getting burned, he's like whatever...dude is soft. We need hardnose players that can't stand getting beat...he's not one of them. Trey Lyle ain't it either. Carter should get more minutes...he does the little thing that win games...too bad Doug still trust the vets.
 
Blazers have Scoot and Sharpe off the bench, but start Camara because he's a defensive weapon to surround their offensive hubs. They have all the pedigree and draft capital tied to them, but Camara gets the start because he helps them win. I'm honestly kind of furious now that we refuse to use Keon properly and are seemingly purposefully tanking this season because we don't want to hurt any feelings.

I don't want to hear a damn thing anymore about roster construction until we maximize Keon on the floor, especially in crunch time. He was incredible again tonight defensively...and he didn't play the last 9:26 of a close contest. Devin Carter had one of his better defensive games...again less than 10 minutes and only 2 minutes in the second half.

It's on Doug at this point.
you do know both problems can be true. But I agree Keon would have slowed Simons.
 
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