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bball_nomad

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#31
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I LOVE Monk. I LOVE Monk as a starter even more :) Even 2 years ago I thought for myself "Can somebody just start Monk?". 3 starting smalls in Fox, Monk and DDR have tremendous scoring punch. Domas is a HUGE offensive force too. Monk sets up Domas the best, but it also allows DDR and Fox do the same though differently but more efficient.
I think that Kings are out of their shooting misery. Kings need one more make out of 10 or 12 takes from before mentioned trio and Keegan - that's 5+ more points per game. Kings another luxury is that their bench smalls are up to task.
Simple. Kings shooters missed abnormal amount of open, easy shots already. Enough of that. Let's just keep the number of Ws going up and The Beam lit up ;)
 
Caccia

Caccia

Starter
#34
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Who will be the backup PG behind Monk, now that both Fox and McLaughlin are gone? Ellis is not really a distributor and Carter is a rookie. They both need better handles dribbling and passing the ball.

My guess is that Zach Lavine will be the main distributor when he is on the court with Keon Ellis. This assumes that the rotation patterns do not change in the short term, with Lyles or Len, DeRozan, Ellis, and LaVine on the court towards the end of the first and third quarters.
 
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Joshyjosh31

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#35
SLAB said:
Our man’s about to become the best contract in the entire NBA.

Embrace this dude, Sacramento. Couldn’t believe when he took our 70mil offer, and it’s only going to keep getting better!!!
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Basically fox wanted to completely **** us by telling monk to leave while he was probably 80% out the door. Thank god monk ain’t built like fox and took that deal
 
pdxKingsFan

pdxKingsFan

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#36
#36
Joshyjosh31 said:
Basically fox wanted to completely **** us by telling monk to leave while he was probably 80% out the door. Thank god monk ain’t built like fox and took that deal
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Probably would have used that as a "good" excuse to show how we hurt him somehow. Can't believe our own fans talking elsewhere like we screwed him more than he screwed us.
 
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The_Jamal

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Joshyjosh31 said:
Basically fox wanted to completely **** us by telling monk to leave while he was probably 80% out the door. Thank god monk ain’t built like fox and took that deal
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I... kind of forgot that he told Monk to go get your money. And based on some reports, this SA move has been in motion for awhile.

So really, he only didn't make a trade request this summer to try and get the All-NBA supermax here. **** man. That sucks.
 
Insomniacal Fan

Insomniacal Fan

Starter
#39
#39
The_Jamal said:
I... kind of forgot that he told Monk to go get your money. And based on some reports, this SA move has been in motion for awhile.

So really, he only didn't make a trade request this summer to try and get the All-NBA supermax here. **** man. That sucks.
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Eh, that's what the supermax is for, incentivizing retention of stars, disincentivizing superteams. This doesn't suck, this is normal
 
GWD

GWD

Bench
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The addition of LaVine certainly changes the backcourt dynamics for the Kings. Now Monk has a more reliable and consistent shooter by his side. That will put "self-pressure" on Monk's shot due to the percentage difference in their 3-point shooting statistics. LaVine is clearly the primary long-shot option and Monk must defer (unless forced by desperate circumstance...which hurts percentage).

OTOH, LaVine will draw defenders away from Monk so he may see more uncontested opportunities which usually have a higher percentage of success. Monk may shoot less but have better results.

At any rate, Monk as a starter has several other advantages beyond his shooting. As the team is now constructed, his starting is a given so whatever weaknesses are there must be overlooked.
 
Sac.Kings

Sac.Kings

All-Star
#41
#41
The_Jamal said:
I... kind of forgot that he told Monk to go get your money. And based on some reports, this SA move has been in motion for awhile.

So really, he only didn't make a trade request this summer to try and get the All-NBA supermax here. **** man. That sucks.
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Even more of a reason to be happy as far as I’m concerned. The thing is, pressure now is on Fox to help carry SA to the playoffs and be in contention for a ring eventually. That’s what the fanbase is used to. If he doesn’t deliver… they will be calling for his head. It’s high stakes for him now, much higher than here.

I could tell he wasn't the same this season, many of us noticed that something just wasn’t quite right. That’s not a player I want around here. Quitting is for those who are too weak to accept the challenge.
 
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bball_nomad

Bench
#42
#42
I just hope that eventually things will work out for Monk financially. I have no worries at all about him as a starting PG. His chemistry with Domas is a beauty. That's though not everything. It's a snake with 2 heads. High flying PG, beastly point center - other 3 guys on the floor need just keep moving and the ball will find them. Especially with addition of LaVine.
What I meant about Monk's $$$? Kings have him now on a BIG discount. Just stay healthy and after 3 years a new contract will be when "Monk will get his money (Fox)". Proper way :)
 
Vinny Basketballerino

Vinny Basketballerino

Starter
#45
#45
GWD said:
The addition of LaVine certainly changes the backcourt dynamics for the Kings. Now Monk has a more reliable and consistent shooter by his side. That will put "self-pressure" on Monk's shot due to the percentage difference in their 3-point shooting statistics. LaVine is clearly the primary long-shot option and Monk must defer (unless forced by desperate circumstance...which hurts percentage).

OTOH, LaVine will draw defenders away from Monk so he may see more uncontested opportunities which usually have a higher percentage of success. Monk may shoot less but have better results.

At any rate, Monk as a starter has several other advantages beyond his shooting. As the team is now constructed, his starting is a given so whatever weaknesses are there must be overlooked.
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Exactly. In all the hubbub, people are missing that this move actually balances our roster.
 
Padrino

Padrino

All-Star
#46
#46
Vinny Basketballerino said:
Exactly. In all the hubbub, people are missing that this move actually balances our roster.
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It really doesn't. It injects more shooting into the starting lineup, which is nice considering a number of Kings have completely forgotten how to shoot, including the outgoing Kevin Huerter. But the frontcourt remains very thin, and there are some massive defensive issues in the starting lineup that this trade cannot correct. LaVine will start. And while he's an effective secondary playmaker, he's certainly not a natural PG, which means Monk will continue to start. And that means Keon Ellis' minutes will remain capped to a certain degree, and he definitely won't be starting.

In the immediate, a first five that features Monk/LaVine/DeRozan/Sabonis is going to get chewed up defensively, with Keegan working overtime on containment. And even if DeRozan is eventually on the move, I just don't love a Monk/LaVine backcourt on balance. It will be offensively thrilling but as porous as can be, which wouldn't be the worst thing if the Kings could funnel attackers into a rim defending big, but Domas isn't that guy. He's an adequate defender given his athletic limitations, but he's never going to be a rim protector. With Fox, at least you'd get disruption from his quick hands and the occasional locked-in defensive performance. That won't be the case with LaVine. The Kings will have to average 120+ just to win more than they lose.
 
Caccia

Caccia

Starter
#47
#47
Padrino said:
It really doesn't. It injects more shooting into the starting lineup, which is nice considering a number of Kings have completely forgotten how to shoot, including the outgoing Kevin Huerter. But the frontcourt remains very thin, and there are some massive defensive issues in the starting lineup that this trade cannot correct. LaVine will start. And while he's an effective secondary playmaker, he's certainly not a natural PG, which means Monk will continue to start. And that means Keon Ellis' minutes will remain capped to a certain degree, and he definitely won't be starting.

In the immediate, a first five that features Monk/LaVine/DeRozan/Sabonis is going to get chewed up defensively, with Keegan working overtime on containment. And even if DeRozan is eventually on the move, I just don't love a Monk/LaVine backcourt on balance. It will be offensively thrilling but as porous as can be, which wouldn't be the worst thing if the Kings could funnel attackers into a rim defending big, but Domas isn't that guy. He's an adequate defender given his athletic limitations, but he's never going to be a rim protector. With Fox, at least you'd get disruption from his quick hands and the occasional locked-in defensive performance. That won't be the case with LaVine. The Kings will have to average 120+ just to win more than they lose.
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An autopsy before the starters have even taken the court for the first time together.
 
pdxKingsFan

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#48
#48
Insomniacal Fan said:
Eh, that's what the supermax is for, incentivizing retention of stars, disincentivizing superteams. This doesn't suck, this is normal
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which is fine but perhaps it is overdue for an overhaul:
1) the teams that sign it aren't crippled by it
2) the player conditions to get this boost aren't near impossible in small markets
 
pdxKingsFan

pdxKingsFan

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#49
#49
Sac.Kings said:
Even more of a reason to be happy as far as I’m concerned. The thing is, pressure now is on Fox to help carry SA to the playoffs and be in contention for a ring eventually. That’s what the fanbase is used to. If he doesn’t deliver… they will be calling for his head. It’s high stakes for him now, much higher than here.

I could tell he wasn't the same this season, many of us noticed that something just wasn’t quite right. That’s not a player I want around here. Quitting is for those who are too weak to accept the challenge.
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It will be interesting to see if they give him the extension this summer or wait for his finger to check out. They still have the power of offering an extra year with Bird rights in 2026, why lock in when you can add pieces before that summer?
 
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The_Jamal

Hall of Famer
#51
#51
Padrino said:
It really doesn't. It injects more shooting into the starting lineup, which is nice considering a number of Kings have completely forgotten how to shoot, including the outgoing Kevin Huerter. But the frontcourt remains very thin, and there are some massive defensive issues in the starting lineup that this trade cannot correct. LaVine will start. And while he's an effective secondary playmaker, he's certainly not a natural PG, which means Monk will continue to start. And that means Keon Ellis' minutes will remain capped to a certain degree, and he definitely won't be starting.

In the immediate, a first five that features Monk/LaVine/DeRozan/Sabonis is going to get chewed up defensively, with Keegan working overtime on containment. And even if DeRozan is eventually on the move, I just don't love a Monk/LaVine backcourt on balance. It will be offensively thrilling but as porous as can be, which wouldn't be the worst thing if the Kings could funnel attackers into a rim defending big, but Domas isn't that guy. He's an adequate defender given his athletic limitations, but he's never going to be a rim protector. With Fox, at least you'd get disruption from his quick hands and the occasional locked-in defensive performance. That won't be the case with LaVine. The Kings will have to average 120+ just to win more than they lose.
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I do think you're going to see a lot of LaVine at the 3, opening up the slot for DC and Keon to get a lot more time on the floor. And just by nature of Monk at some point needing to rest, you'll see both of them on the court quite a bit

There should be plenty of room now for Keon and DC to be 20-25 MPG players. Hope Doug finds how to stagger it
 
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reptilexcq2

Bench
#54
#54
This team proven they can win without Fox. They did that while he was injured. Malik is actually more effective than Fox with that DHO. Like even when Fox is there, in crunch time, I still want the team to call Malik pnr with Sabonis than any other play calls...it's just more effective. And sometimes when the team need basket, you see Fox chucking up 3s instead of attacking with his speed, that's something I hate to see. He just doesn't attack enough imo. Like why are you shooting 3s when nobody can stop you from attacking? Draw fouls and stop the bleeding! Now that he's gone and Lavine is here, it opens up the play calls with efficient shooting and effective play calls with the majority of them going to Malik. Of course the problem is still going to be defense and length. This is something I don't know how the team is going to address since the starter positions are set. The only position you can upgrade is the DeRozen in order to add length and size like Cam Johnson but DeRozen has been playing effective. As you can see in the Wolves game, we just couldn't rebound the ball giving team second chance shots, we still lack length. And we're playing too hard just to pull off this win.
 
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reptilexcq2

Bench
#55
#55
Caccia said:
Who will be the backup PG behind Monk, now that both Fox and McLaughlin are gone? Ellis is not really a distributor and Carter is a rookie. They both need better handles dribbling and passing the ball.

My guess is that Zach Lavine will be the main distributor when he is on the court with Keon Ellis. This assumes that the rotation patterns do not change in the short term, with Lyles or Len, DeRozan, Ellis, and LaVine on the court towards the end of the first and third quarters.
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What's wrong with Carter? I thought he's a pretty good PG. Did you see his speed when he attack? He shows sign of unguardable. He just need to make better decisions...that's something he need to learn. I remember Fox was like this in his rookie season, he didn't know when to step on the brake but he gets better each season.
 
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NiNetNiNe

Bench
#56
#56
reptilexcq2 said:
This team proven they can win without Fox. They did that while he was injured. Malik is actually more effective than Fox with that DHO. Like even when Fox is there, in crunch time, I still want the team to call Malik pnr with Sabonis than any other play calls...it's just more effective. And sometimes when the team need basket, you see Fox chucking up 3s instead of attacking with his speed, that's something I hate to see. He just doesn't attack enough imo. Like why are you shooting 3s when nobody can stop you from attacking? Draw fouls and stop the bleeding! Now that he's gone and Lavine is here, it opens up the play calls with efficient shooting and effective play calls with the majority of them going to Malik. Of course the problem is still going to be defense and length. This is something I don't know how the team is going to address since the starter positions are set. The only position you can upgrade is the DeRozen in order to add length and size like Cam Johnson but DeRozen has been playing effective. As you can see in the Wolves game, we just couldn't rebound the ball giving team second chance shots, we still lack length. And we're playing too hard just to pull off this win.
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Plus LaVine attacks the basket more than Fox does. LaVine is a true triple threat and as Deebo said, the most talented player he has ever played with.
 
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reptilexcq2

Bench
#57
#57
bball_nomad said:
I LOVE Monk. I LOVE Monk as a starter even more :) Even 2 years ago I thought for myself "Can somebody just start Monk?". 3 starting smalls in Fox, Monk and DDR have tremendous scoring punch. Domas is a HUGE offensive force too. Monk sets up Domas the best, but it also allows DDR and Fox do the same though differently but more efficient.
I think that Kings are out of their shooting misery. Kings need one more make out of 10 or 12 takes from before mentioned trio and Keegan - that's 5+ more points per game. Kings another luxury is that their bench smalls are up to task.
Simple. Kings shooters missed abnormal amount of open, easy shots already. Enough of that. Let's just keep the number of Ws going up and The Beam lit up ;)
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I like Monk as PG but damm, he's playing too heavy minutes. We need to manage his minutes properly or he's going to get injured.
 
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