De'Aaron Fox Traded to Spurs for Zach Lavine, three first round picks
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I was too young to appreciate how bad the Webber trade to Philly was at the time, but it’s truly sickening in retrospect
I cancelled NBA LP after the Boogie trade and checked out of the team for a bit after. That was fully justified in retrospect.
This? We got a replacement-level player to keep the guys locked in and keep our hopes alive of building around our ACTUAL best player, Domantas Sabonis. We also got an unprotected first from Minnesota that conveys two years after Ant’s contract expires
replace LaVine with one or two of the Atlanta picks and technically we’re “ahead” on trade math, but we also give up on this core, and give up any hope of building around Sabonis
The Bulls were one of the best teams in the league with LaVine and Deebo before injuries did them in. We have a far better cast than them, seeing as we’re anchored around the second best center in the league
I want to see a winning team around Domas in Sacramento and this may have been the best way to do it
I cancelled NBA LP after the Boogie trade and checked out of the team for a bit after. That was fully justified in retrospect.
This? We got a replacement-level player to keep the guys locked in and keep our hopes alive of building around our ACTUAL best player, Domantas Sabonis. We also got an unprotected first from Minnesota that conveys two years after Ant’s contract expires
replace LaVine with one or two of the Atlanta picks and technically we’re “ahead” on trade math, but we also give up on this core, and give up any hope of building around Sabonis
The Bulls were one of the best teams in the league with LaVine and Deebo before injuries did them in. We have a far better cast than them, seeing as we’re anchored around the second best center in the league
I want to see a winning team around Domas in Sacramento and this may have been the best way to do it
I’m no cap expert, but I think it works if we tie this trade into any other pre-deadline trade as a “simultaneous trade.” While you can’t usually combine a Trade exception with salaries, if the trade exception is used as part of a simultaneous trade, I think you can increase its value. Here, the value of the TPE is Heurter’s salary, so it can be increased by $7.5M if it is wrapped up in this deal. Then you can also dump Lyles, Colby, or others to make more space.
that is why you sometimes hear about a 3 team trade like this, but in the days that follow other trades and deals get wrapped in. A similar thing happened with the Klay sign and trade. Every day new teams were included until it was like a 6 team deal.
I might have this all wrong by the way, but I think that’s how it works, and why the TPE is worth more now if we can use it as part of this deal.
that is why you sometimes hear about a 3 team trade like this, but in the days that follow other trades and deals get wrapped in. A similar thing happened with the Klay sign and trade. Every day new teams were included until it was like a 6 team deal.
I might have this all wrong by the way, but I think that’s how it works, and why the TPE is worth more now if we can use it as part of this deal.
Let me be 100% clear what my position on this trade is.
San Antonio got an absolute steal. San Antonio won this trade and it's not even close.
That said, there's a reason that San Antonio was able to get Fox for, from their side, a box of crackerjacks. That reason is that Fox stabbed us right in the back with a big ol' knife. We managed to stagger our way over to Chicago Hope, and they were able to pull the knife out of our back, and stitch us up, and we didn't bleed out, and it turns out that we don't have a punctured lung, and we can hope that there will be no infection and no permanent damage. If Chicago Hope hadn't been around, we were screwed. That knife was gonna kill us.
So was this a "good" trade? As in, would I have liked this trade if we had a happy star player who totally intended to sign an extension with us and just out of the blue we traded down like this? (Not looking at any other Texas teams here...) Hell no! But we didn't have that. We had a knife sticking out of our back, and with that knife in there, and getting twisted even, this trade is definitely a good outcome. Circumstances being what they are, we did good.
And we were only able to do good because we had a very different valuation of the LaVine contract than the Bulls did. The Bulls aren't interested in winning right now, so they don't want to pay LaVine a kajillion dollars. We are interested in winning right now, and we were paying Fox like 3/4s of a kajillion dollars anyway, so now we're paying LaVine to be one of our top three instead of Fox. There's actually a decent chance that we can just keep going at a +.500 winning percentage, and make it to the playoffs, because Fox and LaVine may have slightly different roles but their value is not that far off. If we're lucky, something will click with this somewhat revamped lineup and we'll actually make some noise.
But if we hadn't been able to get LaVine, it's clear from what San Antonio gave up that they weren't going to accept anything but a straight fleecing. We would have been forced to either take pennies on the dollar, or try to bumble our way through the end of this season, and the offseason, and maybe next year with this millstone around our necks. Turmoil in the ranks. Domas unhappy. DDR unhappy. Keegan looking for greener pastures once he's done with his rookie deal. Fox could have absolutely ruined us. And we found a lifeline. So yeah, we did good.
San Antonio got an absolute steal. San Antonio won this trade and it's not even close.
That said, there's a reason that San Antonio was able to get Fox for, from their side, a box of crackerjacks. That reason is that Fox stabbed us right in the back with a big ol' knife. We managed to stagger our way over to Chicago Hope, and they were able to pull the knife out of our back, and stitch us up, and we didn't bleed out, and it turns out that we don't have a punctured lung, and we can hope that there will be no infection and no permanent damage. If Chicago Hope hadn't been around, we were screwed. That knife was gonna kill us.
So was this a "good" trade? As in, would I have liked this trade if we had a happy star player who totally intended to sign an extension with us and just out of the blue we traded down like this? (Not looking at any other Texas teams here...) Hell no! But we didn't have that. We had a knife sticking out of our back, and with that knife in there, and getting twisted even, this trade is definitely a good outcome. Circumstances being what they are, we did good.
And we were only able to do good because we had a very different valuation of the LaVine contract than the Bulls did. The Bulls aren't interested in winning right now, so they don't want to pay LaVine a kajillion dollars. We are interested in winning right now, and we were paying Fox like 3/4s of a kajillion dollars anyway, so now we're paying LaVine to be one of our top three instead of Fox. There's actually a decent chance that we can just keep going at a +.500 winning percentage, and make it to the playoffs, because Fox and LaVine may have slightly different roles but their value is not that far off. If we're lucky, something will click with this somewhat revamped lineup and we'll actually make some noise.
But if we hadn't been able to get LaVine, it's clear from what San Antonio gave up that they weren't going to accept anything but a straight fleecing. We would have been forced to either take pennies on the dollar, or try to bumble our way through the end of this season, and the offseason, and maybe next year with this millstone around our necks. Turmoil in the ranks. Domas unhappy. DDR unhappy. Keegan looking for greener pastures once he's done with his rookie deal. Fox could have absolutely ruined us. And we found a lifeline. So yeah, we did good.
I am diving into the trade rules and this trade gives us more flexibility than I thought.
1. We are 10.5M under the tax. Technically, this means we can take back more than 20m salary and still under the tax if we trade Lyles+Jones/Mcbuckets.
2. TPE: we can just take a player and the salary doesn't count toward tax(e.g JV/Time lord).
1. We are 10.5M under the tax. Technically, this means we can take back more than 20m salary and still under the tax if we trade Lyles+Jones/Mcbuckets.
2. TPE: we can just take a player and the salary doesn't count toward tax(e.g JV/Time lord).
Agree. Spurs were always going to win this trade. They had all the leverage. We had to survive. I think we did. Would I rather have happy Fox? Absolutely. But would I rather this trade than the other options we currently had? You bet. We get a guy who can replace a lot of what Fox did, and a lot of draft capital. So the Spurs won, but we lived to fight another day.
At the very least its gonna be a fun team to watch..
the trade could of been better but it could of been much worse aswell considering the circumstances..
Need some internal growth now from Monk, Keegan. Carter, IJ, Cissoko, IC.. hopefully they add a few more pieces at the deadline.
Absolutely need another big, get Domas some help!
Dont underrate the second rounders either.. if theres one thing Montes decent at its finding solid players down there. The Charlotte and Chicago seconds are pretty much late 1sts.
the trade could of been better but it could of been much worse aswell considering the circumstances..
Need some internal growth now from Monk, Keegan. Carter, IJ, Cissoko, IC.. hopefully they add a few more pieces at the deadline.
Absolutely need another big, get Domas some help!
Dont underrate the second rounders either.. if theres one thing Montes decent at its finding solid players down there. The Charlotte and Chicago seconds are pretty much late 1sts.
I am happy we got a player in Zach that will be a fun player to watch with the Kings and the fact that Demar and Zach played well together in Chicago is good news. Also watching Malik and Zach yes that will be fun.
And Zach and sabonis should be great also. Zach is a two time all star who is playing great this year. Defense is a worrysome for the team . u we have a huge trade exception and cap space so we can fix that as well as a lot of firsts and seconds to trade. I have been a fan since 85 and jus want to see a fun team that has a chance to win every night. and be in contention to make the playoffs and win in the playoffs. good luck to Fox and welcome Zach Levine. I also wish Huerter well and hope he gets his shot in order. go Kings
And Zach and sabonis should be great also. Zach is a two time all star who is playing great this year. Defense is a worrysome for the team . u we have a huge trade exception and cap space so we can fix that as well as a lot of firsts and seconds to trade. I have been a fan since 85 and jus want to see a fun team that has a chance to win every night. and be in contention to make the playoffs and win in the playoffs. good luck to Fox and welcome Zach Levine. I also wish Huerter well and hope he gets his shot in order. go Kings
if it is included as part of this trade then, yes, I think so, but I think we’d also have to offload one of our minimum guys as part of the deal because we’d be like $50k off.
The only problem is you start getting really short on actual bodies. We now have 13 plus 3 two-ways. Do another trade where we send out more guys and you are getting down to like 11-12guys and you need to find some minimum guys to sign.
The only problem is you start getting really short on actual bodies. We now have 13 plus 3 two-ways. Do another trade where we send out more guys and you are getting down to like 11-12guys and you need to find some minimum guys to sign.
Very well said….bloody and graphic, but well said. 
For the position we found ourselves in, with our immediate goals, I’m happy where we came out. At least I can get back to trying to enjoy the play on the court.
For the position we found ourselves in, with our immediate goals, I’m happy where we came out. At least I can get back to trying to enjoy the play on the court.
Now we have downgraded our guards from Fox to Lavine and we still have a huge gap at forward. The team is good enough to make the play-in but no defense means no play-offs so we lose our pick and still can’t get a forward. We would have been better off to put Fox on ice and kept our pick in a good draft.
Monte isn’t as bad as Vlade but he is doing his best to get there.
