Potential Free agent/trade/sign tracker
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We need help defensively. Collins is a career 113.7 defensive rating, which is below league average and bad. This is nearly the exact same as Lyles this year. Collins 118.3 last year and is worse than Lyles this year. Over his career he has continually digressed.
While he is shooting a high clip from 3 we don't need more shots taken away from players especially Keegs and Keon. He has made a grand total of 39 3s this yeao, so it would be better to look at career of 36.4% which is okay. I do not see the need for another high volume chucker.
Are we throwing away assets for someone who could opt out?
Collins has only played 1 out of the last 10 games.
His althleticism could be helpful but I don't see him as a Christie player or that he brings anything needed to the table.
While he is shooting a high clip from 3 we don't need more shots taken away from players especially Keegs and Keon. He has made a grand total of 39 3s this yeao, so it would be better to look at career of 36.4% which is okay. I do not see the need for another high volume chucker.
Are we throwing away assets for someone who could opt out?
Collins has only played 1 out of the last 10 games.
His althleticism could be helpful but I don't see him as a Christie player or that he brings anything needed to the table.
As has been pointed out, it looks like we *can* legally trade for Cam using only Huerter and two min deals. The best we can do is '28 and '30 if we are going to give up two picks ('25, '26 encumbered from ATL trade, '27 Stepien'd). But I would hope we can pull it off with one pick and some swaps. It would be obvious to give them an unprotected '25 swap that extinguishes if we convey it to ATL (that would be a lottery ticket for them, very low probability of conveying) and I'd give them an unprotected swap in'26 (again contingent on not being sent to ATL). Both of those would be unlikely to convey. Heck, I'd give them a swap in '27 too. That kind of deal *looks* like a lot of draft capital to the fans, but really is probably just a single pick.
Ok .... I'm gonna propose a trade I think the Kings should consider. Now I understand this probably WILL NOT happen, but if I was GM I may just go for it.
Kings trade Keegan Murray, Huerter, McDermott for Cam Johnson, Noah Clowney, Ziaire Williams
Thinking is kind of obvious - Cam Johnson is a better player, better shooter than Murray. And instead of paying Murray an extension potentially worth $25+ million next offseason, they just get the better player/shooter for that price right now ... Clowney theoretically is a good fit next to Sabonis - Shooting 36.4 % from 3', 20 years old, 2nd year guy, long 4' man. Ziaire Williams is a real solid defender when I've seen him, 23 yr old, can replace Murray's defense as that long wing guy along w/ Clowney.
Of course this trade all boils down to how Brooklyn would value Keegan Murray. They may easily see Clowney as just a viable long-term piece as Murray, in which case deal has 0% chance to happen.
New team:
Fox - Carter
Monk - Ellis
DDR - Williams
Cam Johnson - Clowney
Sabonis - Lyles/Len
Now basically, the whole starting unit are offensive guys and whole bench is defensive guys, so of course you'd stagger minutes to balance it out more.
Kings trade Keegan Murray, Huerter, McDermott for Cam Johnson, Noah Clowney, Ziaire Williams
Thinking is kind of obvious - Cam Johnson is a better player, better shooter than Murray. And instead of paying Murray an extension potentially worth $25+ million next offseason, they just get the better player/shooter for that price right now ... Clowney theoretically is a good fit next to Sabonis - Shooting 36.4 % from 3', 20 years old, 2nd year guy, long 4' man. Ziaire Williams is a real solid defender when I've seen him, 23 yr old, can replace Murray's defense as that long wing guy along w/ Clowney.
Of course this trade all boils down to how Brooklyn would value Keegan Murray. They may easily see Clowney as just a viable long-term piece as Murray, in which case deal has 0% chance to happen.
New team:
Fox - Carter
Monk - Ellis
DDR - Williams
Cam Johnson - Clowney
Sabonis - Lyles/Len
Now basically, the whole starting unit are offensive guys and whole bench is defensive guys, so of course you'd stagger minutes to balance it out more.
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BKN Gets: Kevin Huerter, Mike Conley, Future SAC 1st (Top 4 Protected - Conveys 2 Years After Pick to ATL), & 2025 UTA 2nd
BKN Gives: Cam Johnson, Day’Ron Sharpe, & Trendon Watford
Why for BKN? The Nets cash in on their win now vet and pickup a very lightly protected 1st round pick and an early 2nd to help with their rebuild
PG - Conley / Russell / Melton
SG - Thomas / Johnson / Lewis
SF - Williams / Huerter / Whitehead
PF - Simmons / Wilson / Bogdanovic
C - Claxton / Clowney
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MIN Gets: Cam Johnson, Devin Carter, & Trendon Watford
MIN Gives: Jaden McDaniels & Mike Conley
Why for MIN? A trio of McDaniels, Randle, & Gobert is not a very good shooting frontcourt. It would really make things easier on Edwards if they could add another sniper on the floor with him. This trade does just that. Losing McDaniels defense is not ideal, but it’s not like Johnson is a liability on defense and they add a potentially elite POA defender in Carter who I think projects as a very good complement to Edwards long term. In fact, I really like the idea of a long term guard core of Edwards, Carter, Dillingham, & Shannon, and considering Carter, Dillingham, & Shannon are on rookie deals for the next 3.5 years, it might make it easier for MIN to manage their cap situation.
PG - Carter / Dillingham
SG - Edwards / DiVincenzo / Shannon
SF - Johnson / NAW / Ingles
PF - Randle / Minott / Watford / Miller
C - Gobert / Reid / Garza
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SAC Gets: Jaden McDaniels & Day’Ron Sharpe
SAC Gives: Kevin Huerter, Devin Carter, & Future SAC 1st (Top 4 Protected - Conveys 2 Years After Pick to ATL)
Why for Kings? The Kings get some much needed help in the frontcourt and address one of their biggest weaknesses (a big, long, athletic forward who can defend, help protect the rim, and space the floor). McDaniels hasn't been shooting particularly well this year, but they’d be betting long term that he can space the floor at a decent clip to keep the paint clear for Fox, DeRozan, and Sabonis. Also, with Fox, Ellis, Murray, and McDaniels getting a lot of the minutes in the rotation, I think the Kings have a good shot at being a top 10 defensive team. Lastly, I could potentially see Monk & DeRozan being moved to the bench maybe next season allowing them to start 3 excellent defenders between Fox and Sabonis (Ellis, Murray, and McDaniels), but it would be ideal for at least one of those guys developing enough to be a solid secondary scorer/playmaker to help keep the offense flowing.
PG - Fox / Monk / McLaughlin
SG - Ellis / Jones
SF - DeRozan / McDaniels / McDermott
PF - Murray / Lyles / Crowder
C - Sabonis / Sharpe / Len
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Technically, this trade would have to be split into 2 trades since MIN can't aggregate salaries. Trade #1 would be Huerter to BKN, Johnson to MIN, and McDaniels to SAC, and Trade #2 would be Conley to BKN, Carter & Watford to MIN, and Sharpe to SAC (the picks outlined above could be attached to either of these trades). I'm not 100% sure we're allowed to do it like this, but I haven't found a reason why we couldn't. Maybe @Capt. Factorial can fact check me on this.
BKN Gets: Kevin Huerter, Mike Conley, Future SAC 1st (Top 4 Protected - Conveys 2 Years After Pick to ATL), & 2025 UTA 2nd
BKN Gives: Cam Johnson, Day’Ron Sharpe, & Trendon Watford
Why for BKN? The Nets cash in on their win now vet and pickup a very lightly protected 1st round pick and an early 2nd to help with their rebuild
PG - Conley / Russell / Melton
SG - Thomas / Johnson / Lewis
SF - Williams / Huerter / Whitehead
PF - Simmons / Wilson / Bogdanovic
C - Claxton / Clowney
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MIN Gets: Cam Johnson, Devin Carter, & Trendon Watford
MIN Gives: Jaden McDaniels & Mike Conley
Why for MIN? A trio of McDaniels, Randle, & Gobert is not a very good shooting frontcourt. It would really make things easier on Edwards if they could add another sniper on the floor with him. This trade does just that. Losing McDaniels defense is not ideal, but it’s not like Johnson is a liability on defense and they add a potentially elite POA defender in Carter who I think projects as a very good complement to Edwards long term. In fact, I really like the idea of a long term guard core of Edwards, Carter, Dillingham, & Shannon, and considering Carter, Dillingham, & Shannon are on rookie deals for the next 3.5 years, it might make it easier for MIN to manage their cap situation.
PG - Carter / Dillingham
SG - Edwards / DiVincenzo / Shannon
SF - Johnson / NAW / Ingles
PF - Randle / Minott / Watford / Miller
C - Gobert / Reid / Garza
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SAC Gets: Jaden McDaniels & Day’Ron Sharpe
SAC Gives: Kevin Huerter, Devin Carter, & Future SAC 1st (Top 4 Protected - Conveys 2 Years After Pick to ATL)
Why for Kings? The Kings get some much needed help in the frontcourt and address one of their biggest weaknesses (a big, long, athletic forward who can defend, help protect the rim, and space the floor). McDaniels hasn't been shooting particularly well this year, but they’d be betting long term that he can space the floor at a decent clip to keep the paint clear for Fox, DeRozan, and Sabonis. Also, with Fox, Ellis, Murray, and McDaniels getting a lot of the minutes in the rotation, I think the Kings have a good shot at being a top 10 defensive team. Lastly, I could potentially see Monk & DeRozan being moved to the bench maybe next season allowing them to start 3 excellent defenders between Fox and Sabonis (Ellis, Murray, and McDaniels), but it would be ideal for at least one of those guys developing enough to be a solid secondary scorer/playmaker to help keep the offense flowing.
PG - Fox / Monk / McLaughlin
SG - Ellis / Jones
SF - DeRozan / McDaniels / McDermott
PF - Murray / Lyles / Crowder
C - Sabonis / Sharpe / Len
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Technically, this trade would have to be split into 2 trades since MIN can't aggregate salaries. Trade #1 would be Huerter to BKN, Johnson to MIN, and McDaniels to SAC, and Trade #2 would be Conley to BKN, Carter & Watford to MIN, and Sharpe to SAC (the picks outlined above could be attached to either of these trades). I'm not 100% sure we're allowed to do it like this, but I haven't found a reason why we couldn't. Maybe @Capt. Factorial can fact check me on this.
Good, any team putting young players and picks for Cam is getting finessed. The market shouldn't be there especially considering the Cavs and even the Kings now have to be careful on how they change up their rosters. Given the Kings situation with picks the risk for Sacramento is much higher than most teams because Monte has kind of already toyed around with his picks. The question is do you give up 1 and pretty much end your ability to compete with other teams in these multiple first packages or just wait and see if something worth using 2 or more comes around? I say wait and see if something worth 2 comes along.
Eh I disagree especially since McDaniels could be that perfect fit at PF next to Sabonis that is ever allusive. A few things to keep in mind regarding McDaniels…
Look…you know how high I am on Carter
but if we have the opportunity to add a PF that would be an excellent fit next to Sabonis long term, I’d have to pull the trigger.
- He has reportedly grown since he was measured at the combine and is now being listed at 6’11”
- He’s only 24 and is actually younger than Keegan
- He made an All-Defensive Team just last season
- Despite him being 6’11”, he can defend 1-4 effortlessly (and is often used as a POA defender on MIN)
- He’s locked up long term since he’s under contract for the next 4.5 years
Look…you know how high I am on Carter
but if we have the opportunity to add a PF that would be an excellent fit next to Sabonis long term, I’d have to pull the trigger.
If Monte whiffs on his last big play or overpays for non difference makers in trade him getting fired will likely only be a question of when, not if. Overpaying for basically the all offense version of Keegan Murray if it means limiting being a player in something worth it or even necessary later is a no brainer. You just don't do it. Monte had to do something last summer because that was his last real chance to have any cap flexibility, and he did, now he's not under the gun because he made that play. Now he has to maximize whatever he has left and his most valuable asset is time which no, he doesn't have a ton of but he has some. To me, it's at the very least this season. Monte needs to see what this team actually is baseline wise and honestly probably what they are if they make it to the playoffs this season. Monte has gotten into trouble when he's combined assumption with pivoting, like the run it back season. It was clear that team had been leapfrogged and was not built for playoff ball as the DHO crumbled before his eyes, yet he went more into it as a B option and hopefully learned an important lesson about getting stuck. The Kings have like one last play to combine picks at this point because of the Hawks deal and the deal with the Spurs severely lowers his 2031 pick options. Buy low, not high unless that player is worth the bag.
I mean, tbh, what other big splash does this team need? We have 4 dynamite offensive hubs; it's either put up or shut up time to see how far they can go together over the next few years. Either you think Fox/Monk/DDR/Domas is enough, or it isn't; there's certainly not room to ADD another massive splash guy to that grouping.
The beauty of Cam is he's basically Kevin Huerter from 2 years, just in wing form. He's not a guy who's going to dominate the ball and he 100% will be able to help the spacing. In terms of a "cherry on top" player, Cam is next to perfect. It just has to be the right price and not going crazy and paying a "star package" to bring him in.
The beauty of Cam is he's basically Kevin Huerter from 2 years, just in wing form. He's not a guy who's going to dominate the ball and he 100% will be able to help the spacing. In terms of a "cherry on top" player, Cam is next to perfect. It just has to be the right price and not going crazy and paying a "star package" to bring him in.
And that's the point, who knows. Just a few weeks ago people were ready to start stockpiling picks, lol. I's not like Cam doesn't fit offensively, it's cost and options. We have to see if teams like the Thunder, Cavs, and Celtics are for real. Adding in more of what you have already as a priority is the issue as well. The Kings are already near the top of hand off frequency so I'm not sure if I'd lean into it even more if I were Monte, especially if it pushes someone like DeRozan back to the guard spot. Literally the only team near the top in that play type that could be considered a contender are the Nuggets. If Monte put together a Gordan/MPJ combo, well, that's had success. Two MPJ's? Eh.