“The List”

[The_Jamal]

No matter what our record is we’re making a move they’re not just gonna sit there and watch Fox leave that’s not realistic

Do people just not read what I say? Like I am typing in English aren't I?

What does Fox have to do with anything? He can't leave for UFA in the next 20 games... which is kind of the timeline I think this team should be on whether to sell this thing off or go buy an asset. Either show we're capable of being a contender, or start stripping this thing down for parts.

But like I literally said in my previous post, you should NOT go add an ancillary piece like that, use up future assets, only for us to be in the same scenario at the trade deadline. That'd be the true disaster. Team is in a tailspin right now, what's Cam Johnson or DFS going to right the ship? They'd help, for sure, but they are not guys that go and save a season. Has to start with our top guys righting the ship and THEN you go add someone like that to put you over the top.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

Do people just not read what I say? Like I am typing in English aren't I?

What does Fox have to do with anything? He can't leave for UFA in the next 20 games... which is kind of the timeline I think this team should be on whether to sell this thing off or go buy an asset. Either show we're capable of being a contender, or start stripping this thing down for parts.

But like I literally said in my previous post, you should NOT go add an ancillary piece like that, use up future assets, only for us to be in the same scenario at the trade deadline. That'd be the true disaster. Team is in a tailspin right now, what's Cam Johnson or DFS going to right the ship? They'd help, for sure, but they are not guys that go and save a season. Has to start with our top guys righting the ship and THEN you go add someone like that to put you over the top.

Fox timeline isn’t when he becomes a free agent it’s this summer this isn’t new when Klutch wants out it’s happening the year before so he can get bird rights from his new team. Fox and his team aren’t giving us next year to see I guarantee you that and history says that they even talked about that exact scenario on DLo/KC.

Monte will make a move because he knows if Fox leaves he’s done as well so waiting for a run from this team isn’t an option. As long as the play ins possible the teams making a trade doesn’t matter if we think Cam can push us over or not

 

[SacTownKid]

Fox timeline isn’t when he becomes a free agent it’s this summer this isn’t new when Klutch wants out it’s happening the year before so he can get bird rights from his new team. Fox and his team aren’t giving us next year to see I guarantee you that and history says that they even talked about that exact scenario on DLo/KC.

Monte will make a move because he knows if Fox leaves he’s done as well so waiting for a run from this team isn’t an option. As long as the play ins possible the teams making a trade doesn’t matter if we think Cam can push us over or not

We aren't even totally sure what the deal is. If Fox and his people said they want out then they did. We haven't heard anything close to that yet but if they did Monte knows it. If Fox came in pouting about him not having weapons after I, as GM, just pulled a pretty talented rabbit out of a hat this summer in DDR when that shouldn't have even been on the radar in the first place I'm probably laughing in his face and asking he wants me to wipe his bottom too, hahaha. We also don't know for sure if Monte is playing hardball or not. It also might be true that the Kings don't see Fox as a full max player, who knows. If the Kings turn it around and light it up the rest of the season, or up until the deadline that probably means Fox has settled all conversation about value whether that's trade or monetary in basis.

 

[iowamcnabb]

We aren't even totally sure what the deal is. If Fox and his people said they want out then they did. We haven't heard anything close to that yet but if they did Monte knows it. If Fox came in pouting about him not having weapons after I, as GM, just pulled a pretty talented rabbit out of a hat this summer in DDR when that shouldn't have even been on the radar in the first place I'm probably laughing in his face and asking he wants me to wipe his bottom too, hahaha. We also don't know for sure if Monte is playing hardball or not. It also might be true that the Kings don't see Fox as a full max player, who knows. If the Kings turn it around and light it up the rest of the season, or up until the deadline that probably means Fox has settled all conversation about value whether that's trade or monetary in basis.

Isn’t Monte in a damned if you do damned if you don’t situation? If he does nothing, Fox is asking for a trade in offseason unless we are like 20-10 to finish the year. If he does something and the bad vibes continue we used a first round pick now piece and we may or may not be able to get it back in a flip. The Nets like Carter. Imagine we trade him and a first for Cam and then Fox gets traded. Now we NEED Devin. To me it’s two options. Use a first round pick or less on a good wing and see if you can get the ball rolling again with that player and Carter. Otherwise you trade Fox now and see how some young defenders look under Brown. If you trade for a decent wing you will likely be able to flip them in the offseason

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Fox timeline isn’t when he becomes a free agent it’s this summer this isn’t new when Klutch wants out it’s happening the year before so he can get bird rights from his new team. Fox and his team aren’t giving us next year to see I guarantee you that and history says that they even talked about that exact scenario on DLo/KC.

Monte will make a move because he knows if Fox leaves he’s done as well so waiting for a run from this team isn’t an option. As long as the play ins possible the teams making a trade doesn’t matter if we think Cam can push us over or not

If we trade Fox at the deadline next season the new team still has Bird rights.

But Fox becomes ineligible for the true super max extension under any trade scenario. That is only available to a team that held a player's rookie contract.

The real issue is just getting to a situation where the player not only demands a trade but names teams like Dame did.

 

[206Fan]

Isn’t Monte in a damned if you do damned if you don’t situation? If he does nothing, Fox is asking for a trade in offseason unless we are like 20-10 to finish the year. If he does something and the bad vibes continue we used a first round pick now piece and we may or may not be able to get it back in a flip. The Nets like Carter. Imagine we trade him and a first for Cam and then Fox gets traded. Now we NEED Devin. To me it’s two options. Use a first round pick or less on a good wing and see if you can get the ball rolling again with that player and Carter. Otherwise you trade Fox now and see how some young defenders look under Brown. If you trade for a decent wing you will likely be able to flip them in the offseason

I think I would easily swap Carter for Cam Johnson, and then get rid of DeMar for any solid 25+mpg guy. Or maybe move DeMar to the bench. Imagine that we could get Royce O’Neal for DeMar and you’ve got a lineup of:

Fox/Monk
Keegan/Keon
Johnson/Huerter
O’Neal/Lyles
Sabonis

We’d be able to bring back 2021 levels of 3pt shooting again. I could see that squad pushing back for 6th/7th seed if Fox plays consistent enough.

 

[iowamcnabb]

I think I would easily swap Carter for Cam Johnson, and then get rid of DeMar for any solid 25+mpg guy. Or maybe move DeMar to the bench. Imagine that we could get Royce O’Neal for DeMar and you’ve got a lineup of:

Fox/Monk
Keegan/Keon
Johnson/Huerter
O’Neal/Lyles
Sabonis

We’d be able to bring back 2021 levels of 3pt shooting again. I could see that squad pushing back for 6th/7th seed if Fox plays consistent enough.

My point was if you do that and Fox still leaves this summer you traded away your best guard prospect. I know you are not a big Carter fan but I’d like to at least see him for a 8 game stretch before packaging him.

We would need to send Huerter out in that deal too to match salary unless you are thinking Deebo is shipped out. They don’t do that unless they had a third team lined up

 

[iowamcnabb]

I gotta say I really like Cam as a person and think he has a great mind for the game. High character and shows he really understands the psychology of team sport. Maybe he is a really good trade candidate even if Fox is gone. Even at his age he could be a longer term play

 

[SacTownKid]

Isn’t Monte in a damned if you do damned if you don’t situation? If he does nothing, Fox is asking for a trade in offseason unless we are like 20-10 to finish the year. If he does something and the bad vibes continue we used a first round pick now piece and we may or may not be able to get it back in a flip. The Nets like Carter. Imagine we trade him and a first for Cam and then Fox gets traded. Now we NEED Devin. To me it’s two options. Use a first round pick or less on a good wing and see if you can get the ball rolling again with that player and Carter. Otherwise you trade Fox now and see how some young defenders look under Brown. If you trade for a decent wing you will likely be able to flip them in the offseason

Yeah, I still don't understand it unless it's a Nets fan suggesting that. I think the Kings NEED Carter next to Fox. And just like prior to the DeRozan signing, they NEED it to work. Brown better not mess around because that's the best shot of your matching backcourt for years to come if Fox stays. Yeah, that trade would be a total mistake potentially. Here's the thing though. We know enough to be certain that the Kings were pretty much deciding between Cam or Kuz on draft night if the smoke was real. It took all of like 30 seconds for the Kings to select Devin Carter when even the TV people were talking this impeneding trade stuff, don't be surprised, blah, blah, blah. Unless there is no plan here that was a pretty defining statement the way those trades were pulled. Especially knowing he was injured. Trading him now would mean the organization is in total chaos. Nope, don't want to go back there.

 

[iowamcnabb]

Yeah, I still don't understand it unless it's a Nets fan suggesting that. I think the Kings NEED Carter next to Fox. And just like prior to the DeRozan signing, they NEED it to work. Brown better not mess around because that's the best shot of your matching backcourt for years to come if Fox stays. Yeah, that trade would be a total mistake potentially. Here's the thing though. We know enough to be certain that the Kings were pretty much deciding between Cam or Kuz on draft night if the smoke was real. It took all of like 30 seconds for the Kings to select Devin Carter when even the TV people were talking this impeneding trade stuff, don't be surprised, blah, blah, blah. Unless there is no plan here that was a pretty defining statement the way those trades were pulled. Especially knowing he was injured. Trading him now would mean the organization is in total chaos. Nope, don't want to go back there.

a lot the kings media have been talking lately about how we will eventually need to make trades that hurt (Hali, JWill, Corliss, Mitch)

I am just so excited to to have a place with the potential of Carter. Not some crazy ceiling necessarily just that all out hustle guy who also happens to be a crazy athlete. Monk has provided us with the juice the last couple years and I think Carter can be that guy for us defensively. It’s totally possible that it doesn’t translate but I’m really really hoping it does.

 

[iowamcnabb]

Just win 4 of 6, kings make a trade for some dude and then Devin Carter plays a Gleague game (and not for some other team either) at the end of the first week of January. That’s what I want please and thank you

 

[SacTownKid]

a lot the kings media have been talking lately about how we will eventually need to make trades that hurt (Hali, JWill, Corliss, Mitch)

I am just so excited to to have a place with the potential of Carter. Not some crazy ceiling necessarily just that all out hustle guy who also happens to be a crazy athlete. Monk has provided us with the juice the last couple years and I think Carter can be that guy for us defensively. It’s totally possible that it doesn’t translate but I’m really really hoping it does.

That sounds like putting hope in a silver bullet to me. They need to realize Monte hasn't just been sitting around here. Do the Kings have roster holes? Yes, but not that many, I mean, what 1 more wing? Really? And they should have enough talent to be in the playoff discussion already. Which, technically... numerically they still actually are. The issue might be so many fans saw the DeRozan addition and like him saw glory. Kind of like the same glory when most of them were prioritizing running it back that 2nd season or that Keegan Murray was going to be the next Tatum.

Trade value, that's another reason to really see what Carter has because if he had great trade value he wouldn't have dropped to 13. The value in him is the same as a Kawhi or any other player with defensive tools that don't really blow you away skill wise necessarily. They aren't "sexy" and they're older. Although Carter does have a unique offensive game, a little chaotic like Monk. Their highest value is to the team that landed them, not as middling trade bait. I look at Carter as a lottery scratcher you shouldn't have even had and only got because perhaps teams above you had no need for it or don't know talent. Don't trade it in for the dollar you spent because it could pay off a lot more. If it doesn't, you'll still likely get half your money back.

 

[国王德罗赞]

hes been a floor spacer prior to this year. Close to 40 percent

A good 3-point shooter needs more than just hits, he needs production. Also his 3-poing hit ratio is decreasing this year because of KAT's leaving

 

[twslam07]

Sorry, Grant being an elite role player 5 years ago just doesn't fly that he could just magically fall right back into that again on a good team. He gave that up to go be the "man" and he's floundered away since. His scoring stats aren't encouraging either:

TS% down 5% from last year
Ast rate down 3% from last year
FTr down 11% from last year

And the Blazers on/off splits with him are horrendous. -9.3 for Grant this year. In contrast, DDR's basically net neutral right now at -0.3.

I don't like Kuzma either but if we just said "Hey, Huerter for Kuzma swap", that's at least something that doesn't cripple your franchise and you don't give up future assets.

Grant has another 3 seasons! At 32, 34 and a 36 mil PO.

I mean I’m not super tied to the idea of surrendering a 1st or Carter for a combo of Grant and others. I’d prefer to leverage our current vets and 2nds to try and make some upgrades/fit improvements.

But as it relates to Grant, I’ve told you this before and I’ll say it here again. His advanced impact stats are pretty good when he is not asked to be “the guy.” And this was as recent as the 2022-23 season when he had a guy like Damian Lillard ahead of him. We would obviously be casting him into a similar role with guys like Fox, Sabonis, and Monk already in place.

In the case of Grant, there’s at least historical evidence to reference that suggests Grant could be a winning and impactful player, and that’s before even considering how well he fits with our core (plays PF, long, athletic, good shooter, solid go-to scorer, decent defender with the potential to dial it up and play great defense).

In the case of Kuzma, I don’t see anything evidence to suggest he’d be a good target for us.

 

[GWD]

Discussing potential trades, acquisitions, fit, needs, and so forth is quite interesting and informative. Personally, I enjoy reading the content and am educated by the options presented.

I am in agreement with SacTownKid in that the Kings are loaded with enough talent to achieve far beyond what has been demonstrated for the last 1.3 years. Something has seriously been holding them back and down.

Sure, some of the player proposals may potentially statistically improve the Kings but first things first. If someone new is thrown into this septic tank they are going to stink. DeRozen is a glaring example. After a few weeks, he has folded his tent and is ready to move on. Fox has had it, also. There may be more player discontent but fear of retaliation should they speak out is a possibility since that is the norm. Also note that the players do not often laud Coach Brown for his coaching expertise or for bringing enjoyment to the game.

Player's-only meetings have occurred in the past, but the results have neither changed the atmosphere nor resulted in on-court improvements.

The locker room and organization has to be reimagined, reconstituted, and refreshed. There are several ways it can be done. But someone has to take the initiative to do it.

 

[The_Jamal]

I mean I’m not super tied to the idea of surrendering a 1st or Carter for a combo of Grant and others. I’d prefer to leverage our current vets and 2nds to try and make some upgrades/fit improvements.

But as it relates to Grant, I’ve told you this before and I’ll say it here again. His advanced impact stats are pretty good when he is not asked to be “the guy.” And this was as recent as the 2022-23 season when he had a guy like Damian Lillard ahead of him. We would obviously be casting him into a similar role with guys like Fox, Sabonis, and Monk already in place.

In the case of Grant, there’s at least historical evidence to reference that suggests Grant could be a winning and impactful player, and that’s before even considering how well he fits with our core (plays PF, long, athletic, good shooter, solid go-to scorer, decent defender with the potential to dial it up and play great defense).

In the case of Kuzma, I don’t see anything evidence to suggest he’d be a good target for us.

Agreed on Kuzma. Outside of his year with the Lakers when they won the title, he's never been a winning player.

With regards to Grant, I don't think he's like some awful player, but when you factor in his contract and what it'll likely take to acquire him, I can't think of a worse option for us to go and get. You better be right if you go get him, because there's not going to be much left in the cupboard to make more moves if he doesn't move the needle with this team.

 

[twslam07]

Agreed on Kuzma. Outside of his year with the Lakers when they won the title, he's never been a winning player.

With regards to Grant, I don't think he's like some awful player, but when you factor in his contract and what it'll likely take to acquire him, I can't think of a worse option for us to go and get. You better be right if you go get him, because there's not going to be much left in the cupboard to make more moves if he doesn't move the needle with this team.

In regards to Grant, if it’s going to take a lot to get him (and we’d need to define “a lot” here), why would we not be able to flip him if he doesn’t work out to help restore the cupboard?Does that value just crater because he’s on the Kings now? We’re not taking on Bradley Beal here. Long, athletic wings/forwards who can shoot and defend typically hold their value well.

There’s always a chance he significantly declines or has a significant injury (thus making it difficult to flip him for value), but every move has an element of risk. The question is if the potential reward is worth the risk. I’d be more willing to gamble on a player with his archetype vs. someone like a Cam Johnson.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I have no interest in Kuzma but if you could swap him for Huerter and no more than a 2nd I think you do it just to rebalance the roster.

Grant I honestly think is a bad contract on a bad team. He is filling up Portland's roster and salary floor. The cost to get him even in matching salary will create a talent deficit. I don't think you can move him with the current CBA. It is much trickier to move players on those contracts because the rules have changed a lot around what teams that are maxed out can and can't do.

 

[The_Jamal]

I have no interest in Kuzma but if you could swap him for Huerter and no more than a 2nd I think you do it just to rebalance the roster.

Grant I honestly think is a bad contract on a bad team. He is filling up Portland's roster and salary floor. The cost to get him even in matching salary will create a talent deficit. I don't think you can move him with the current CBA. It is much trickier to move players on those contracts because the rules have changed a lot around what teams that are maxed out can and can't do.

Yeah, this. Huerter+Lyles+2nd for Kuzma is a reasonable risk. If it works, amazing. If not, you're not tied to a massive long-term contract.

 

[Caccia]

I would like to see the Kings make a move for Kris Murray. His shooting from the field is okay at 44.6% and his rebounding per 36 minutes is also decent at 6.4. The cost of such a transaction would be minimal. Kris might serve as a motivator and oncourt conspirator with twin brother Keegan.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

I would like to see the Kings make a move for Kris Murray. His shooting from the field is okay at 44.6% and his rebounding per 36 minutes is also decent at 6.4. The cost of such a transaction would be minimal. Kris might serve as a motivator and oncourt conspirator with twin brother Keegan.

I've always wondered if McNair would have drafted Kris had he dropped 1 more slot to where the Kings were in that first round. I think he would have

 

[Caccia]

I've always wondered if McNair would have drafted Kris had he dropped 1 more slot to where the Kings were in that first round. I think he would have.

Kris is only averaging 12.5 minutes per game on a bad team. He is in and out of the rotation, including four DNP-CDs and another four where he played less than five minutes. Opportunity presents itself...

 

[MizzouKing]

I would like to see the Kings make a move for Kris Murray. His shooting from the field is okay at 44.6% and his rebounding per 36 minutes is also decent at 6.4. The cost of such a transaction would be minimal. Kris might serve as a motivator and oncourt conspirator with twin brother Keegan.

That or become an in-house Mojo Stealer in the role he seems to play whenever the brothers meet. I like to hope that playing on the same team would be motivating and deepen Keegan's roots with the kings.

 

[MizzouKing]

If I had to identify the two biggest problems we have right now, it's (1) lack of size, and (2) lack of any vocal leaders (not Fox, Sabonis, DeRozan, or even Coach Brown). I'm all for any players we can get that fill those gap areas.

 

[Jdbraver137]

If I had to identify the two biggest problems we have right now, it's (1) lack of size, and (2) lack of any vocal leaders (not Fox, Sabonis, DeRozan, or even Coach Brown). I'm all for any players we can get that fill those gap areas.

Malik

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

If I had to identify the two biggest problems we have right now, it's (1) lack of size, and (2) lack of any vocal leaders (not Fox, Sabonis, DeRozan, or even Coach Brown). I'm all for any players we can get that fill those gap areas.

Remember when some made a big deal of Javale McGee as a vocal leader, because he happened to be on a team that won a championship? To me, actual toughness and grit on the floor is much more important than some guy who yells and jumps around before the game in the huddle

 

[jiimbob]

I was listening to a Matt George Locked on Kings yesterday with his guest some Nets reporter. That guy seems to think the Nets would be much more interested in Ellis as a throw in for Cam Johnson than Carter. He doesn’t see the need for Carter with their current roster, whereas I assumed they fill a similar role. He also seems to believe it would require an additional two first and Huerter for salary reasons.
Seems like a lot to give up but George says the Kings are keen on Johnson and that would be the starting point.

Kind of surprised me Ellis over Carter, but guess he is slightly proven.

 

[twslam07]

I was listening to a Matt George Locked on Kings yesterday with his guest some Nets reporter. That guy seems to think the Nets would be much more interested in Ellis as a throw in for Cam Johnson than Carter. He doesn’t see the need for Carter with their current roster, whereas I assumed they fill a similar role. He also seems to believe it would require an additional two first and Huerter for salary reasons.
Seems like a lot to give up but George says the Kings are keen on Johnson and that would be the starting point.

Kind of surprised me Ellis over Carter, but guess he is slightly proven.

2 1sts for Cam Johnson seems ludicrous enough. 2 1sts + Ellis/Carter would be absolutely bonkers.

 

[The_Jamal]

I was listening to a Matt George Locked on Kings yesterday with his guest some Nets reporter. That guy seems to think the Nets would be much more interested in Ellis as a throw in for Cam Johnson than Carter. He doesn’t see the need for Carter with their current roster, whereas I assumed they fill a similar role. He also seems to believe it would require an additional two first and Huerter for salary reasons.
Seems like a lot to give up but George says the Kings are keen on Johnson and that would be the starting point.

Kind of surprised me Ellis over Carter, but guess he is slightly proven.

Welp, that's a big old NOPE

 

[jiimbob]

2 1sts for Cam Johnson seems ludicrous enough. 2 1sts + Ellis/Carter would be absolutely bonkers.

fair enough. Matt George gets a little hyper excitable for my liking. still he says he knows the Kings are serious about obtaining Cam Johnson so whatever.
Also could Ellis not playing have anything to do with a potential trade.