[Game] 29/82: Kings vs. Lakers 21 December 2024 3 pm PT/6 pm ET

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This is it, folks. The first of two matinees, back-to-back at home. Both games start at 3:00 PT. Today the Lakers return to the scene of their recent triumph. Tomorrow, the Indiana Pacers and their crusty coach, Rick Carlisle, come to town.

Kings fans are dejected at the dispirited, lackluster showing of their team on Thursday night. The Lakers plan to keep their collective size 17 shoes on the necks of Domantas Sabonis and company. The two starting guards, DeAaron Fox and Malik Monk, had 9 turnovers between them. Will they take care of the ball and keep it moving? Who is going to slow down Austin Reaves, with his clever drives to the basket, or Anthony Davis, of the midrange rainbows? Who is going to hit a hot streak and help send the Lakers packing?

We know they can do it.

GO KINGS!!

Light the Beam!!!
 
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The Lakers will come in with confidence, or perhaps over-confidence, and likely execute the same game plan that enabled their last victory over the Kings.

The Kings' coaches have an implied duty to come up with an alternate game plan to address the issues that led to the defeat on Thursday. Can, or will, they do that? If not, logic suggests a similar outcome.

Then we have Coach Brown's complaint that the players just won't follow his directions or game plans. Will the players validate Brown's contention? So many questions. Maybe the fans will get some answers in this game.
 
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The Lakers will come in with confidence, or perhaps over-confidence, and likely execute the same game plan that enabled their last victory over the Kings.

The Kings' coaches have an implied duty to come up with an alternate game plan to address the issues that led to the defeat on Thursday. Can, or will, they do that? If not, logic suggests a similar outcome.

Then we have Coach Brown's complaint that the players just won't follow his directions or game plans. Will the players validate Brown's contention? So many questions. Maybe the fans will get some answers in this game.
How about the players play better?
 
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How about the players play better?
Insiteful as the comment isn't, the clear inference is that the players are not trying to perform their best. That is a serious charge that deserves further exploration.

If true, it is a team-wide failing to try to win at every opportunity and points to concerning underlying dysfunctions. That in itself is troubling and needs correction.

If false, and the players are trying their best, then it indicates that the team does not possess the skills to "play better". It is not a reasonable expectation for players to do something that they are not capable of doing. There is no remedy to this condition, as construed, and a fan can only hope for an anomalous game performance that generates a victory.

Your choice.
 

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Insiteful as the comment isn't, the clear inference is that the players are not trying to perform their best. That is a serious charge that deserves further exploration.

If true, it is a team-wide failing to try to win at every opportunity and points to concerning underlying dysfunctions. That in itself is troubling and needs correction.

If false, and the players are trying their best, then it indicates that the team does not possess the skills to "play better". It is not a reasonable expectation for players to do something that they are not capable of doing. There is no remedy to this condition, as construed, and a fan can only hope for an anomalous game performance that generates a victory.

Your choice.
If this team were getting crushed on defense night after night (as they were in the 22-23 season) or struggling to put the ball in the basket (which was often a problem last season) it would be fair to question player motivation, skill level, or coaching competence. But statistically speaking, this is the best the team has performed in the Mike Brown era:

In Year 1 the Kings had the #1 offense but were dreadful defensively.
In Year 2 this group was middle of the pack at both.
Currently this has been a top 5-10 offense and a top 10-15 defense.

It's not quite the best of both worlds, but it's getting close. The skill level and the effort are both there but we're losing games in the margins where the unforced turnovers, poor bench play, and hot and cold shooting streaks add up just enough to keep us from getting the win. That's about as frustrating as it gets as a fan because the opportunities are right there -- the Kings have led in the 4th quarter of a lot of these losses.

If anything I think what this team needs is a mental reset. The Beam Team of 2022-2023 was fun to watch because they were having fun playing basketball together. The pressure to live up to the standard set that season and take it even further has these guys playing tight. Maybe that's coming from Coach, maybe it's coming from fans and local media, maybe it's coming from the players themselves and the lack of recognition that they get for leading a team which notoriously attracts little to no national media attention and the tangible financial impact which results from that.

Speaking of which -- here's the elephant in the room that I'm seeing... If you don't think Fox is painfully aware that his younger ex-teammate Tyrese Haliburton got the All-Star spot, All-NBA votes, US Olympic Team roster invite, and massive contract extension that he did not get last season than you haven't been paying attention to who Fox is. He clocks the disrespect and doesn't need an agent's encouragement to do the mental math of how much he stands to lose by being The Man in Sacramento rather than anywhere else. Nobody ever said this ish was fair.

As fans of this team we also need to be aware of this and realize that the only "weapon" we have to keep our superstars here in Sacramento where almost every other incentive is working against us is to show unconditional love and support. Let me put it this way -- if I'm taking less money (endorsement opportunities are massive in other markets) and likely giving up my chances of basketball immortality to keep my family stable in a smaller market filled with diehard basketball fans, I better feel appreciated by those fans or there's going to be resentment.
 
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If this team were getting crushed on defense night after night (as they were in the 22-23 season) or struggling to put the ball in the basket (which was often a problem last season) it would be fair to question player motivation, skill level, or coaching competence. But statistically speaking, this is the best the team has performed in the Mike Brown era:
In retrospect, do you question player motivation during the 22-23 season?
 

hrdboild

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In retrospect, do you question player motivation during the 22-23 season?
No -- because I've never agreed that defensive performance is mostly about effort in the NBA. There are a lot of very specific skills (some mental, some physical) required to defend NBA level offenses and no amount of screaming from the sideline is going to manifest those skills where they don't exist. I actually think the Kings are often exerting too much effort on defense a lot of the time because they're trying to cover up for poor decision-making. We're better on defense now than we were in the 22-23 season (in my opinion) because we have more players in the rotation who have defensive skillsets and mindsets.
 
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No -- because I've never agreed that defensive performance is mostly about effort in the NBA. There are a lot of very specific skills (some mental, some physical) required to defend NBA level offenses and no amount of screaming from the sideline is going to manifest those skills where they don't exist. I actually think the Kings are often exerting too much effort on defense a lot of the time because they're trying to cover up for poor decision-making. We're better on defense now than we were in the 22-23 season (in my opinion) because we have more players in the rotation who have defensive skillsets and mindsets.
It's the poor decision making that they need to get to the root of. Is it mostly scheme based, or more of a collection of defensively low iQ players.

I've seen it as mostly a scheme issue....and that falls on the coaching staff
 

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It's the poor decision making that they need to get to the root of. Is it mostly scheme based, or more of a collection of defensively low iQ players.

I've seen it as mostly a scheme issue....and that falls on the coaching staff
That's largely been the consensus but I don't see how anybody is going to draw up a defensive scheme with this roster which ensures that all 3pt shots are tightly contested without giving up open layups. We have one PF/C in the regular rotation and he's 6'10" with short arms and not much vertical lift. Trey Lyles is the only other big man getting significant minutes and he doesn't move well enough to defend in space.

It's easy to point to opponent 3pt % as the problem when the defense has been designed to sink to the middle to help Sabonis and deny paint points. Invert that scenario and we'd just be just losing in a different way. The response from a lot of places (fans, podcasters, talking heads) has been to just try it anyway, sell out to defend the 3pt line at all costs, and see what happens... but I feel like we already did that last year and the year before and the defense was worse. This scheme was deliberately put into action to counteract the defensive limitations from the previous two seasons.
 
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That's largely been the consensus but I don't see how anybody is going to draw up a defensive scheme with this roster which ensures that all 3pt shots are tightly contested without giving up open layups. We have one PF/C in the regular rotation and he's 6'10" with short arms and not much vertical lift. Trey Lyles is the only other big man getting significant minutes and he doesn't move well enough to defend in space.

It's easy to point to opponent 3pt % as the problem when the defense has been designed to sink to the middle to help Sabonis and deny paint points. Invert that scenario and we'd just be just losing in a different way. The response from a lot of places (fans, podcasters, talking heads) has been to just try it anyway, sell out to defend the 3pt line at all costs, and see what happens... but I feel like we already did that last year and the year before and the defense was worse. This scheme was deliberately put into action to counteract the defensive limitations from the previous two seasons.
You've talked about "margins". Sometimes all it takes to make a small "marginal" difference to help in closer games, is an adjustment that improves an area just enough to be significant.

Nobody is expecting any defense to be able to tightly contest every single 3 pt attempt. If they can figure out a way to reduce how many wide open ones happen, now they've got a real chance to improve something in the margins.

With the talent on this team, maybe that's all it would take to be a few games over .500, instead of a couple under. Of course along with shooting closer to their career averages.
 
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Fully prepared to hyper analyze everything Fox does with malicious intent as a form of copium.

Also fully prepared to put my head in the sand and revel in a win if we can actually get one today!
 
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