Keegan “KEEGAN MURRAY” Murray
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I agree, but for the basic prompt I gave, 10 paragraphs requires a bit of filler.
If I ask it to try to address your criticism, and consolidate to 5 paragraphs, and to write like a popular sports writer, we get
That's a pretty good post by the standards of Kingsfans.com. We shouldn't delude ourselves into thinking we'll be able to clearly recognize LLMs. Rhetoric is now cheaper than air.
If I ask it to try to address your criticism, and consolidate to 5 paragraphs, and to write like a popular sports writer, we get
That's a pretty good post by the standards of Kingsfans.com. We shouldn't delude ourselves into thinking we'll be able to clearly recognize LLMs. Rhetoric is now cheaper than air.
Meh. Any popular sports writer is going to compose with personality, with panache. This sample is about as flat as the previous sample. It has no strength of subject position. It reads as if a machine wrote it. Had a human sports writer composed that, my criticism would be the same: it reads as if a machine wrote it. There's no life in the prose. No bounce. No rhythm. No sense of style.
One need only look at the posts in the recent Mike Brown threads to find humanity in writing about sports. KF.com is host to quite a few very strong writers, each with distinct stylistic preferences and tics. This board remains worth visiting precisely because the posters here are full of individual, three-dimensional perspectives that amount to far more than a flat recitation of information skimmed from the shallowest of sources.
LLMs may eventually be able to better replicate what makes human writing so engaging and enlivening, but at the moment, these AIs scrape the internet for all kinds of text and determine which words should probabilistically follow each other based on common usage. This flattens the writing and renders it utterly unengaging. After all, it's the words that are unlikely to follow one another that create the kinds of collisions in prose that sparks a reader's interest. I don't always agree with @Mr. S£im Citrus, but you won't find anyone here confusing his very distinct voice with the slop ChatGPT currently generates.
One need only look at the posts in the recent Mike Brown threads to find humanity in writing about sports. KF.com is host to quite a few very strong writers, each with distinct stylistic preferences and tics. This board remains worth visiting precisely because the posters here are full of individual, three-dimensional perspectives that amount to far more than a flat recitation of information skimmed from the shallowest of sources.
LLMs may eventually be able to better replicate what makes human writing so engaging and enlivening, but at the moment, these AIs scrape the internet for all kinds of text and determine which words should probabilistically follow each other based on common usage. This flattens the writing and renders it utterly unengaging. After all, it's the words that are unlikely to follow one another that create the kinds of collisions in prose that sparks a reader's interest. I don't always agree with @Mr. S£im Citrus, but you won't find anyone here confusing his very distinct voice with the slop ChatGPT currently generates.
Well, I never argued that the best LLM output is better than the best human produced content. I do think it's better than the median, and even the best writers here don't hit home runs on every swing.
Nor am I saying that LLMs make human writing obsolete, (yet). I enjoy the variety of perspectives that we have here (obviously, since I've been here forever)
I want to draw attention to this because I'm pretty sure LLM assisted posts are already starting to be a thing here. Late last year I noticed some arguments that seemed to be based on "hallucinations" of facts. I worry that the volume of lazy ideas is starting to be artificially enhanced, drowning out the entertaining stuff. I wish we had better tools for sorting through the chaff
Nor am I saying that LLMs make human writing obsolete, (yet). I enjoy the variety of perspectives that we have here (obviously, since I've been here forever)
I want to draw attention to this because I'm pretty sure LLM assisted posts are already starting to be a thing here. Late last year I noticed some arguments that seemed to be based on "hallucinations" of facts. I worry that the volume of lazy ideas is starting to be artificially enhanced, drowning out the entertaining stuff. I wish we had better tools for sorting through the chaff
Interesting about this AI development issue (and LLM, whatever that is).
Recently, I had one of the new mods ask (accused) me of using AI to post a long comment. I couldn't determine if it was a compliment or an insult. After reading the above few posts, now I can infer that the question was intended to be an insult.
I do use a spell checker and occasionally a grammar checker for comma usage but that is it. I wouldn't know where to even start with an AI app. (I guess it is an app of some sort.)
Just a personal comment. Carry on with the far more relevant Keegan thread.
Recently, I had one of the new mods ask (accused) me of using AI to post a long comment. I couldn't determine if it was a compliment or an insult. After reading the above few posts, now I can infer that the question was intended to be an insult.
I do use a spell checker and occasionally a grammar checker for comma usage but that is it. I wouldn't know where to even start with an AI app. (I guess it is an app of some sort.)
Just a personal comment. Carry on with the far more relevant Keegan thread.
Hey GWD, that was me as you know and I didn't follow up in that thread because the conversation had already moved on and it didn't feel appropriate to sidetrack it any further. But since this has grown into a deeper conversation about the merits of AI as a writing tool, good on you for pressing the issue...
I don't think I intended it as either a compliment or an insult -- I just was surprised by a lot of the word choices you made in that post and having interacted with you before on this board (mostly on the Mike Brown topic), it didn't read to me like it came from the same person I'd interacted with before. I'm not in the habit of casually insulting other posters but I will admit that I was poking fun in what I thought would be a light-hearted and somewhat topical manner. It's clear that I owe you an apology for that comment so I wanted to make it a public apology instead of a PM. I'm sorry for crossing a line. I didn't fully think through the implications of what I wrote.
As you've already inferred, I do have some strong feelings about AI assisted writing tools (sometimes referred to as Language Learning Models, LLMs). Those feelings stem from my own creative process and decades of finding my voice through writing. It's a process that I value highly, enough that the thought of the inevitable proliferation of tools which short-cut the intimidating "blank page paralysis" stage of writing (the trial by fire which unites all writers in shared misery yet nevertheless is the only path I think to genuine artistic expression) saddens me deeply. It doesn't sadden me because writers using AI tools will make more money than those who don't (they probably will but only by sheer volume of output) or that AI will lower the bar for artistic expression (it won't though it will likely make it harder for masterpieces to find an audience through all the white noise). What saddens me most of all is that artists who would have struggled for years and then achieved great things in overcoming that struggle will instead get side-tracked from reaching their true potential. That's a loss for all of humanity.
I don't think I intended it as either a compliment or an insult -- I just was surprised by a lot of the word choices you made in that post and having interacted with you before on this board (mostly on the Mike Brown topic), it didn't read to me like it came from the same person I'd interacted with before. I'm not in the habit of casually insulting other posters but I will admit that I was poking fun in what I thought would be a light-hearted and somewhat topical manner. It's clear that I owe you an apology for that comment so I wanted to make it a public apology instead of a PM. I'm sorry for crossing a line. I didn't fully think through the implications of what I wrote.
As you've already inferred, I do have some strong feelings about AI assisted writing tools (sometimes referred to as Language Learning Models, LLMs). Those feelings stem from my own creative process and decades of finding my voice through writing. It's a process that I value highly, enough that the thought of the inevitable proliferation of tools which short-cut the intimidating "blank page paralysis" stage of writing (the trial by fire which unites all writers in shared misery yet nevertheless is the only path I think to genuine artistic expression) saddens me deeply. It doesn't sadden me because writers using AI tools will make more money than those who don't (they probably will but only by sheer volume of output) or that AI will lower the bar for artistic expression (it won't though it will likely make it harder for masterpieces to find an audience through all the white noise). What saddens me most of all is that artists who would have struggled for years and then achieved great things in overcoming that struggle will instead get side-tracked from reaching their true potential. That's a loss for all of humanity.
I think Keegans biggest issue is contact. The more strength/mass the more durability he'd have. Not sure how much weight he needs but if the can absorb a little more contact that will go a long way to helping him when he's getting screened off by a big. That's typically where players get blown up, getting picked on a tough screen and having to fight through. Most of them can run all night regardless of their weight.
I'm really excited for Keegan and this team going forward. That leap everyone is waiting for, is absolutely coming IMO, and i think it's going to be quite glorious on both ends. He won't say it, but he clearly played through quite a few injuries last season beginning with his back. When his rookie year stroke returns, this team will be winning 50 + games
Keegan and Kris get their jersey retired at high school. Video in the article has some sound bites from Keegan, Kris and family
https://www.kcrg.com/2024/06/21/kri...dar-rapids-be-honored-prairie/?outputType=amp
https://www.kcrg.com/2024/06/21/kri...dar-rapids-be-honored-prairie/?outputType=amp