Potential Free agent/trade/sign tracker
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He was pretty securely a #3 option with us 2 seasons ago and our DHO set was one of our most used plays. I'd call that a focal point.
And no, he's not an ISO baller or lead playmaker, but he's absolutely capable of being a 12+ FGA guy in a higher USG role off the bench. Maybe you adjust things where Domas rotates out first so you get him lined up with Huerter in the 2nd unit while you extend Fox in the 1st quarter.
I'm also not saying he can replace Monk. We just don't have an option for that this off-season. Would be a devastating blow. I'm on record I think he's just as good as a Lavine/Beal.
But I do think you can find a way to maximize Huerters offense, especially if you move him to the bench unit. That was one huge mistake from Brown this year; instead of finding a way to keep him heavily involved, he had far too many games he just got left in the dust. Huerter is too good offensively to just be left on the he bench the whole 2nd half
And no, he's not an ISO baller or lead playmaker, but he's absolutely capable of being a 12+ FGA guy in a higher USG role off the bench. Maybe you adjust things where Domas rotates out first so you get him lined up with Huerter in the 2nd unit while you extend Fox in the 1st quarter.
I'm also not saying he can replace Monk. We just don't have an option for that this off-season. Would be a devastating blow. I'm on record I think he's just as good as a Lavine/Beal.
But I do think you can find a way to maximize Huerters offense, especially if you move him to the bench unit. That was one huge mistake from Brown this year; instead of finding a way to keep him heavily involved, he had far too many games he just got left in the dust. Huerter is too good offensively to just be left on the he bench the whole 2nd half
No doubt Huerter can win you games when he gets going, but his consistency is what has been his greatest enemy. It may be injury related, but who knows. I really can’t fault brown if kevin’s shot isn’t falling, especially over several games,he really doesn’t impact the game in other ways like say Keegan can.
Also, I think we disagree with what focal point means. To me it means the offense runs through a player. Not a DHO secondary option.
Also, I think we disagree with what focal point means. To me it means the offense runs through a player. Not a DHO secondary option.
That's why I think drafting Bub makes sense. We keep Huerter as the 6th man scorer but he can't create by himself the way Monk did. Carrington has the tools to do for him though. We draft him, let him improve as the creator of our second unit and who knows what happens in the future. But I like him.
I think Huerter is a pretty interesting case of how to value off ball gravity and just what his presence was last season compared to 2 years ago. His USG fell about 3% last year, but a lot of games it felt like significantly more where he just wasn't apart of the game plan at all. So where I'm saying focal point with him, we made it a priority 2 years ago that he stayed involved in the offense and again, the DHO set was probably our most used play all year. And I haven't fact checked this, but I'd bet he was far and away the most used player in that set with Domas.
He did regress last year, no doubt. 2 years ago, he was an above average starter. Last year, he was closer to a replacement level good rotation player. I think the goal has to be, if we don't trade him, is how you work him in with the new defensive focus that Keon/Davion brought to end the year. That's what was really frustrating to me about how we closed the season; we didn't get to see a healthy Monk and Huerter play with the good versions of Davion and Keon. Their offense was sorely missed
He did regress last year, no doubt. 2 years ago, he was an above average starter. Last year, he was closer to a replacement level good rotation player. I think the goal has to be, if we don't trade him, is how you work him in with the new defensive focus that Keon/Davion brought to end the year. That's what was really frustrating to me about how we closed the season; we didn't get to see a healthy Monk and Huerter play with the good versions of Davion and Keon. Their offense was sorely missed
Even if Huerter reverts back to his play a couple years ago, he still isn't as valuable to this team as Monk is. Monk is the only guy off the bench that can run the show. We saw how badly the bench stalled out when he was no longer out there running the pick and roll.
Like even if the advanced stats say Huerter is better than Monk, that just means that Huerter was better in the particular role he was playing. He doesn't have nearly as much responsibility as Monk does and if he did, he would surely be much worse than Monk.
Like even if the advanced stats say Huerter is better than Monk, that just means that Huerter was better in the particular role he was playing. He doesn't have nearly as much responsibility as Monk does and if he did, he would surely be much worse than Monk.
I'm 100% on board here. So many mock drafts seem to want to have the Kings take Dillingham or McCain as a "Monk replacement". While I've already said countless times that no rookie (especially in this class) will be able to effectively replace Malik next season, I think Bub is much closer than Dillingham or McCain because of his ability to create for himself and others. I also think he's a perfect 3rd guard with Fox and Ellis.
If Huerter is still on the team you give him minutes at the 2&3 off the bench and look to upgrade the starting PF spot and backup center.
If Huerter is still on the team you give him minutes at the 2&3 off the bench and look to upgrade the starting PF spot and backup center.
The only "match" situation is RFAs which are first contracts after being drafted.
Why we can't offer Monk anything is pretty simple, it would be far too easy for teams to skirt the salary cap by offering a one or two year contract with a handshake agreement. So they arrived at three years for the Bird exception. If you think about it, even three years isn't that long to suddenly ignore the salary cap.
It sucks in Monk's case where he was a reclamation project. It would be nice if there were avenues to reward such situations, but there's not, and again if there were they would certainly be exploited by the big market teams. Also if we could bid whatever on Monk today, the Lakers would have probably done so two years ago, the whole reason we got him is because they couldn't afford to make a second offer to him.
Why we can't offer Monk anything is pretty simple, it would be far too easy for teams to skirt the salary cap by offering a one or two year contract with a handshake agreement. So they arrived at three years for the Bird exception. If you think about it, even three years isn't that long to suddenly ignore the salary cap.
It sucks in Monk's case where he was a reclamation project. It would be nice if there were avenues to reward such situations, but there's not, and again if there were they would certainly be exploited by the big market teams. Also if we could bid whatever on Monk today, the Lakers would have probably done so two years ago, the whole reason we got him is because they couldn't afford to make a second offer to him.
We can offer a deal starting at 17.2 and give him a Bird contract in 2 years. I figure he's worth about 20m per season and it would be a real shame if we can't retain him over the difference and some type of make up plan. If someone is going to pay 25 let them. We're already going to be in cap trouble in between cap aprons if we get near 20m and still have work to do on our roster.
There are several things for him to consider. First, someone has to offer him a contract that big ( there is no guarantee of that). Depending on the deal, he would consider the difference in the amount (likely in the $3-8 million range). Then there is the situation. Does he want to be the man of a team likely to be near the bottom of the league or a team that will likely be above .500? Many of the teams likely to offer a big contract will probably be bad teams (not all). We will have to wait and see.
Here are the teams (at least per spotrac.com) that are projected to have enough cap space to offer Monk a deal bigger than what the Kings can:
Pistons ($64.4M)
76ers ($55.5M)
Magic ($49.5M)
Jazz ($38.1 M)
Thunder ($35.2M)
Spurs ($21.3 M)
My hope is that the Magic sign Klay Thompson or Paul George to a huge deal. That would not only weaken a team in the West but also make it more likely he's a King next season. In an ideal world, the Sixers sign PG13, the Magic sign Klay, and the Kings re-sign Malik with a slightly easier path to the playoffs.
Pistons ($64.4M)
76ers ($55.5M)
Magic ($49.5M)
Jazz ($38.1 M)
Thunder ($35.2M)
Spurs ($21.3 M)
- Monk would be a nice fit next to Cade, but I just don't see him going to the Pistons. With or without Malik, they are likely to be bad again next season.
- The 76ers likely wouldn't look to pair Monk and Maxey and will spend their capspace elsewhere.
- The Magic are a real threat. They need shooting and improved guard play and are a playoff team with a pretty bright future.
- I don't see Ainge making a big play to land Monk in Utah. Likewise I don't think Presti breaks the bank to pair SGA and Malik
- The Spurs are an interesting team. They'll be good very soon with Wemby but (a) would Monk leave the Kings for an offer that is only slightly higher than what Sacramento can offer? and (b) would Pop make that type of push for Monk? He doesn't seem like a Pop player per se.
My hope is that the Magic sign Klay Thompson or Paul George to a huge deal. That would not only weaken a team in the West but also make it more likely he's a King next season. In an ideal world, the Sixers sign PG13, the Magic sign Klay, and the Kings re-sign Malik with a slightly easier path to the playoffs.
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Here's the thing about Malik Monk - the Kings want to re-sign him to be their sixth man, in a role and on a team where he's had the two best years of his career.
Any other team that wants to sign him for more than the Kings can offer presumably wants to make him a starter, either at point guard or as an undersized shooting guard. This isn't often mentioned when discussing Monk's free agency. Any team that signs him away from Sacramento is gambling that he'll be just as good or better in a starting role than he has been as a super sub. That's not nothing.
If the Magic know they need shooting and championship experience, they can sign Klay Thompson and know pretty much what they'll get. Similarly with Paul George. Paying Monk big money as a starter has some risk to it.
Any other team that wants to sign him for more than the Kings can offer presumably wants to make him a starter, either at point guard or as an undersized shooting guard. This isn't often mentioned when discussing Monk's free agency. Any team that signs him away from Sacramento is gambling that he'll be just as good or better in a starting role than he has been as a super sub. That's not nothing.
If the Magic know they need shooting and championship experience, they can sign Klay Thompson and know pretty much what they'll get. Similarly with Paul George. Paying Monk big money as a starter has some risk to it.
It depends on if Magic wish to invest in the players they already have.
The appeal of Klay is he's a 2 year deal, helps mentor the guys they will have to be making decisions on over the next few years, and then they keep those guys in a cost-controlled fashion.
If they sign Monk, they'll have to let some of their homegrown talent go.
Gone are the days you can just recklessly sign your own talent with Bird rights because the new cap aprons severely take away your other team building options. No MLE, no taking on players on buyouts, minimum contracts only once you hit that second line. It is going to change the landscape of the league in ways we don't know yet.
Oh - another one I forgot - second apron teams have to take less $$$ in trades, no more ~10% rule.
The appeal of Klay is he's a 2 year deal, helps mentor the guys they will have to be making decisions on over the next few years, and then they keep those guys in a cost-controlled fashion.
If they sign Monk, they'll have to let some of their homegrown talent go.
Gone are the days you can just recklessly sign your own talent with Bird rights because the new cap aprons severely take away your other team building options. No MLE, no taking on players on buyouts, minimum contracts only once you hit that second line. It is going to change the landscape of the league in ways we don't know yet.
Oh - another one I forgot - second apron teams have to take less $$$ in trades, no more ~10% rule.
Spurs are interesting team to chase Monk. If they can land a top guard like Garland for Johnson/picks, adding Monk behind Garland/Vassell would setup their guard rotation to be pretty elite going forward.
Kings would really take a step back without Monk; they’d have to replace him with a legit shot creator somewhere.
Kings would really take a step back without Monk; they’d have to replace him with a legit shot creator somewhere.
I think for the Magic, George and Klay actually make a lot more sense because you can swing them down to the 3. We've gone over this quite a bit, but the Magic have a lot of draft capital tied into their guard slots.
-Suggs guaranteed starter, but Magic fans think he's basically locked in at the 2. Do they trust Monk to be a full-time lead guard?
-They have their own version of Monk in Cole Anthony. Do they give up on him?
-They have a pick 6 invested in Anthony Black and pick 11 invested in Jett Howard. Do they not trust these guys to develop? Signing Monk to a huge deal would block these guys pretty heavily.
-Fultz is a UFA this off-season. Is he someone they want to keep in their plans?
-Suggs guaranteed starter, but Magic fans think he's basically locked in at the 2. Do they trust Monk to be a full-time lead guard?
-They have their own version of Monk in Cole Anthony. Do they give up on him?
-They have a pick 6 invested in Anthony Black and pick 11 invested in Jett Howard. Do they not trust these guys to develop? Signing Monk to a huge deal would block these guys pretty heavily.
-Fultz is a UFA this off-season. Is he someone they want to keep in their plans?
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^^^ Plus it would likely be a 2 year commitment vs. 4. Big deal especially if things don't go perfect to plan. And after 2 years Banchero will be on the designated rookie max (assuming they haven't given it to someone else - they have to extend Franz next year and he will get the normal max on a 2nd deal I assume).
Got a chance to finally look at Bub. First impression is he's super fluid and moves at his own pace. He's not explosive at all attacking the rim, but he's able to pretty much create space at will to pull a jumper. His ability to create without overwhelming athleticism is super super intriguing. Guys with on ball ability that can control the pace of a play are generally vty successful.
I like the form on his jumper quite a bit, but don't love how inefficient he was shooting. I will give him a bit of a pass because he had to create A LOT off his own bounce. That's damn tough for an 18 year old in the ACC. If you adjust his attempts to way less on ball 3pa, I think there's a quality NBA shooter there.
He's more a combo guard than a primary initiator to me. While I like his feel and instincts, I don't think he's wired to be a playmaker like he is to look for his own shot and be a secondary creator. I'd rather he play the 2 than try and be a PG at the nba level.
Fun to dream what he could develop into 2 years down the line. There's a lot of high level NBA skills here, it's just a matter how he continues to develop them. 18 year Olds that are comfortable creating their own shot on ball and for others in the ACC don't grow on trees
I like the form on his jumper quite a bit, but don't love how inefficient he was shooting. I will give him a bit of a pass because he had to create A LOT off his own bounce. That's damn tough for an 18 year old in the ACC. If you adjust his attempts to way less on ball 3pa, I think there's a quality NBA shooter there.
He's more a combo guard than a primary initiator to me. While I like his feel and instincts, I don't think he's wired to be a playmaker like he is to look for his own shot and be a secondary creator. I'd rather he play the 2 than try and be a PG at the nba level.
Fun to dream what he could develop into 2 years down the line. There's a lot of high level NBA skills here, it's just a matter how he continues to develop them. 18 year Olds that are comfortable creating their own shot on ball and for others in the ACC don't grow on trees
The other good thing about the following trade I mentioned in my post (on top of getting an immediate upgrade at PF)…
Kevin Huerter
Sasha Vezenkov
Chris Duarte
#13
For
Jerami Grant
#34
#40
…is that it gives us 3 swings (#34, #40, & #45) on players that may fall. Guys like…
I’d be pretty happy coming away from this draft with 2-3 of those guys.
Kevin Huerter
Sasha Vezenkov
Chris Duarte
#13
For
Jerami Grant
#34
#40
…is that it gives us 3 swings (#34, #40, & #45) on players that may fall. Guys like…
- Ulrich Chomche
- Bobi Klintman
- Terrence Shannon Jr.
- Daron Holmes
- Ryan Dunn
- Jaylon Tyson
- Jalen Bridges
- Dillon Jones
- Kevin McCullar
- Bub Carrington
- Tyler Smith
- Kyshawn George
I’d be pretty happy coming away from this draft with 2-3 of those guys.