[Game] Kings @ Cleveland Cavaliers, 2/5/2024, 4:00p PT, 7:00p ET

[KF8]

I envy cavaliers frontcourt. Most teams don't even have 1 decent defensive anchor center/power forward yet they have both.

 

[Tetsujin]

This offense could be more dynamic by not relying on the three so much, and not relying on isos so much and particularly Fox or Monk to create. If we were a real offense, a la Carill or Adelman, we would be able to create buckets as a team even when we go cold shooting the three.

This is absolutely not a controversial take but you all are so hyper emotional that you get so ding offended when anyone tells you the truth.

Our offense is at most two dimensional: threes and iso. It's a paper tiger propped up by the the current league fads/rules.

Not having enough iso players and not being able to get a bucket outside of the system/whenever our shooters went cold is sorta what doomed those Adelman teams.

 

[Tetsujin]

Evan Mobley don't stand directly under the hoop for ten seconds challenge.

 

[SacTownKid]

Cavs are probably wondering why they aren’t up 30 with this kind of performance. Will they let their foot off the gas in the 4th? Can we string together 4 or 5 stops in a row? Can Swipa work his steal magic? Got about 6 minutes to get with in striking distance.

So far the difference for Sac has been Barnes and Monk hitting big shots.

 

[SacTownKid]

Not having enough iso players and not being able to get a bucket outside of the system/whenever our shooters went cold is sorta what doomed those Adelman teams.

And it took Petrie a few years to finally tweak things until they had as close to a perfect mix, and then the universe stepped in and said, nope. lol.

 

[KF8]

It's ok refs.. you can give the kings some freethrows, not like they will make them at a great clip

 

[BosnianDiehard2.0]

It’s a game now!

 

[Tetsujin]

Did JB Bickerstaff let Luke Walton coach the Cavs to start the 4th or something because this sequence of self-defeating play is oddly familiar.

 

[iowamcnabb]

Dean Wade not playing much now that Mobley is back. The analytics darling

 

[Vinny Basketballerino]

Not having enough iso players and not being able to get a bucket outside of the system/whenever our shooters went cold is sorta what doomed those Adelman teams.

Bad take.

The Adelmen teams were "doomed" by corrupt officials and you absolutely know that. The 2001 team was a championship team that far outperformed as a team vs. a collection of individuals in the Lakers that contained by many accounts two top 10-15 players of all time. Honestly shame on you for even saying this. I'm disappointed.

They had a strong chance to win it the next year but there was an unfortunate injury.

 

[Woot!]

Adelmans's offense was insanely good because it could score in any number of ways. The current offense goes to sleep if they can't hit threes. It's extremely obvious and many people have noted this all throughout the season.

The Kings' O is extremely efficient and effective. Which is the goal, no?

And given that, it seems pretty absurd - and, yes, offensive - to say that that coach largely responsible for organizing it is "low IQ." Very few coaches run offenses anything like Adelman's. Are they all low-IQ too? Maybe there're other reasons for not doing so.

I've grumped at Brown for not calling plays for HB given HB's penchant for sitting above the 3-pt line doing nothing for long stretches. I think it's a strike against his coaching. I don't know why he does/did that. But it never occurred to characterize that as a "low-IQ" move.

 

[Woot!]

Did NOT love that contested 3 by Fox w/HB uncovered right next to him. Fox hero-balling right now.

 

[BosnianDiehard2.0]

Aaand it’s not a game lol.

 

[Vinny Basketballerino]

The Kings' O is extremely efficient and effective. Which is the goal, no?

And given that, it seems pretty absurd - and, yes, offensive - to say that that coach largely responsible for organizing it is "low IQ." Very few coaches run offenses anything like Adelman's. Are they all low-IQ too? Maybe there're other reasons for not doing so.

I've grumped at Brown for not calling plays for HB given HB's penchant for sitting above the 3-pt line doing nothing for long stretches. I think it's a strike against his coaching. I don't know why he does/did that. But it never occurred to characterize that as a "low-IQ" move.

Is it though - in a relative sense? Be honest.

 

[SacTownKid]

The difference between the defensive side of both these teams is pretty clear haha. The Kings give up like the exact shots you don't want to.

 

[iowamcnabb]

Well that was your best chance. If that Fox 3 drops we were right back in it. 8 point swing in that little stretch

 

[Tetsujin]

The Kings' O is extremely efficient and effective. Which is the goal, no?

And given that, it seems pretty absurd - and, yes, offensive - to say that that coach largely responsible for organizing it is "low IQ." Very few coaches run offenses anything like Adelman's. Are they all low-IQ too? Maybe there're other reasons for not doing so.

I've grumped at Brown for not calling plays for HB given HB's penchant for sitting above the 3-pt line doing nothing for long stretches. I think it's a strike against his coaching. I don't know why he does/did that. But it never occurred to characterize that as a "low-IQ" move.

Not for nothing but the Kings and Nuggets are pretty much both running an evolution of that Adelman system in a league that has pretty much shifted to 75% pick and roll hunting.

 

[SacTownKid]

Well that was your best chance. If that Fox 3 drops we were right back in it. 8 point swing in that little stretch

So far this year in the grinder games it's the clock that is the Kings worst enemy. Now it's time to start swinging for the long shot points.

 

[Padrino]

Bad take.

The Adelmen teams were "doomed" by corrupt officials and you absolutely know that. The 2001 team was a championship team that far outperformed as a team vs. a collection of individuals in the Lakers that contained by many accounts two top 10-15 players of all time. Honestly shame on you or even saying this. I'm disappointed.

Game 6 was a travesty, but the Kings missed 14 free throws in game 7. The officials didn't miss those free throws for them.

Also, can we have the Vinny back who keeps it fun and light and makes incessant references to lasagna? This version who is so self-righteously certain that he's right in all forum interactions is considerably less endearing.

 

[KF8]

need more than 12 points from sabonis. Not sure if he's capable of it with cavaliers frontline being so good defensively though.

 

[Tetsujin]

Bad take.

The Adelmen teams were "doomed" by corrupt officials and you absolutely know that. The 2001 team was a championship team that far outperformed as a team vs. a collection of individuals in the Lakers that contained by many accounts two top 10-15 players of all time. Honestly shame on you or even saying this. I'm disappointed.

They had a strong chance to win it the next year but there was an unfortunate injury.

Not to relitigate a series from 22 years ago but the refs didn't cause the Adelman offense to crumble in Game 7.

 

[Rob-The-Great]

Fox and this hero ball man. Sometimes it's beautiful, lately not so much.

 

[Vinny Basketballerino]

Not to relitigate a series from 22 years ago but the refs didn't cause the Adelman offense to crumble in Game 7.

Wow. Seriously - just wow. You're now siding with corrupt gamblers in order to win an argument you find offensive. Extremely weak move.

 

[SacTownKid]

Not for nothing but the Kings and Nuggets are pretty much both running an evolution of that Adelman system in a league that has pretty much shifted to 75% pick and roll hunting.

And come playoff time Adelman pretty much feasted on pick and roll. On the surface the best passing team in history skill wise moved their best passer for need in the J-Will for Bibby trade. And that took the team to contender status because they were better built for playoff ball. The Kings are in that same spot now. It's still early but these playoff type games are the wall to get over.

 

[Rob-The-Great]

These 3s!

 

[captain bill]

That feels like a dagger

 

[KF8]

time to wave the white flag. Cavaliers too good today.. had an answer for every kings run. 5-2 raodtrip is overachieving still, so there's that.

 

[Rob-The-Great]

Yea thar off the back was nasty and game

 

[iowamcnabb]

Can’t even be mad. Cavs are firing on all cylinders

 

[Tetsujin]

Wow. Seriously - just wow. You're now siding with corrupt gamblers in order to win an argument you find offensive. Extremely weak move.

Am I though? I think we can all agree Game 6 was terrible but most of Game 7 was the Kings' own doing. Reeeeeeally not sure why we're going down this rabbit hole tonight.