Kings trade rumor SZN 2023-2024 edition!

[SacTownKid]

Given that OG is in the last year of his contract, I would be surprised if there wasn’t some sort of discussion between the Knicks and his agent before finalizing the deal about what his ask in free agency would be. And I wouldn’t be surprised if the Raptors were fine with this, given that it would help facilitate the trade.

Could be, and OG turning down a bigger deal from a home team isn't likely to happen anyway. Not on potentially a first big contract. The Knicks have Thibs and are looking a little topped out this season so the Knicks overpaying for defense is no surprise even with the risk associated. Now if the Knicks don't step up is the interesting thing. Are they willing to overpay OG this summer if he doesn't move the needle? Does Thibs give OG a major role offensively in a contract year and OG busts out to super productivity? Something to watch for sure.

 

[iowamcnabb]

Could be, and OG turning down a bigger deal from a home team isn't likely to happen anyway. Not on potentially a first big contract. The Knicks have Thibs and are looking a little topped out this season so the Knicks overpaying for defense is no surprise even with the risk associated. Now if the Knicks don't step up is the interesting thing. Are they willing to overpay OG this summer if he doesn't move the needle? Does Thibs give OG a major role offensively in a contract year and OG busts out to super productivity? Something to watch for sure.

im sure they see OG as the third piece to the puzzle after Brunson. It remains to be seen if a big name comes up in the next year or so that they can swing for. Other than Mitchell, don’t know who that is. Doesn’t look like it will be Embiid like they hoped

 

[ockingsfan]

That's actually a lot more than I figured OG would go for TBH. Good for the Raptors though, see what RJ can do with Barnes.

The good news could be that the Raptors got the young pieces they were craving, now they might be willing to unload Siakam for picks? Monte is certainly talking today.

I could see the Kings getting Siakam for some sort of package of Huerter, HB and Mitchell and a 2nd round pick or two. 2 starters on a Western conference playoff team and a PG with stud defense would be pretty good return for a PF headed to free agency in the summer.

 

[twslam07]

I could see the Kings getting Siakam for some sort of package of Huerter, HB and Mitchell and a 2nd round pick or two. 2 starters on a Western conference playoff team and a PG with stud defense would be pretty good return for a PF headed to free agency in the summer.

I think they’ll get better offers.

Let’s flip this…would you have traded an expiring Sabonis for that package?

 

[jiimbob]

Seeing Siakam will likely get dealt soon and that the Kings are a probable destination, so reading up a bit on him. I was surprised to see how poorly he’s shooting the three this year, somewhere around 25%. Not exactly a threat.

I like the idea of adding him to our squad, always root for a Lobo alum, but would be cautious about the price.

 

[twslam07]

Many assume Siakam will get dealt soon and that the Kings are a likely destination, so reading up a bit on him. I was surprised to see how poorly he’s shooting the three this year, somewhere around 25%. Not exactly a threat.

I like the idea of adding him to our squad, always root for a Lobo alum, but would be cautious about the price.

Siakam is a really risky addition...in more ways than one.

He's obviously risky in that he could easily walk this coming offseason leaving us with a glaring hole with a lot less assets to work with.

But even if he does resign with us, there is still the question of fit. A lot of our offense is our perimeter guys running off of Sabonis n a DHO situation. I have a hard time seeing defenses respect Siakam enough to not go under the screen and dare him to take that three. His shot has really been declining and with Fox and Sabonis so paint focused already, I don't think it would be wise to add a 3rd star who is best operating in the midrange/paint. You're basically locking yourself into a Fox-Siakam-Sabonis core and I'm not sold that those players would produce a synergistic effect. In fact, it could very well be a 2+2+2=5 situation.

I would be pretty surprised if McNair went out in traded for Siakam. Doesn't seem like his type of move and the risk is high on multiple fronts.

 

[jiimbob]

Siakam is a really risky addition...in more ways than one.

He's obviously risky in that he could easily walk this coming offseason leaving us with a glaring hole with a lot less assets to work with.

But even if he does resign with us, there is still the question of fit. A lot of our offense is our perimeter guys running off of Sabonis n a DHO situation. I have a hard time seeing defenses respect Siakam enough to not go under the screen and dare him to take that three. His shot has really been declining and with Fox and Sabonis so paint focused already, I don't think it would be wise to add a 3rd star who is best operating in the midrange/paint. You're basically locking yourself into a Fox-Siakam-Sabonis core and I'm not sold that those players would produce a synergistic effect. In fact, it could very well be a 2+2+2=5 situation.

I would be pretty surprised if McNair went out in traded for Siakam. Doesn't seem like his type of move and the risk is high on multiple fronts.

Good points. Also at 38 million a year, and I assume he’s looking at that much when he resigns, probably not the best use of resources.

 

[Makaveli]

Seeing Siakam will likely get dealt soon and that the Kings are a probable destination, so reading up a bit on him. I was surprised to see how poorly he’s shooting the three this year, somewhere around 25%. Not exactly a threat.

I like the idea of adding him to our squad, always root for a Lobo alum, but would be cautious about the price.

In our blow out games in which we lost by 20+ maybe we need somebody that doesn’t shoot threes so much. All of those games our 3pt% was horrible. I am not a fan of the live by the three die by the three routine we seem to have now. This year Keegan, huerter and Barnes are all taking three point shots over 50% of the time. I don’t want to dismantle the 3pt attempts but with fox creeping up now 40% of his shots are 3 pt attempts. Siakam would maybe be a perfect fit with this team. The dunkers spot is wide open with the starting unit.

 

[joemama]

Siakam is a really risky addition...in more ways than one.

He's obviously risky in that he could easily walk this coming offseason leaving us with a glaring hole with a lot less assets to work with.

But even if he does resign with us, there is still the question of fit. A lot of our offense is our perimeter guys running off of Sabonis n a DHO situation. I have a hard time seeing defenses respect Siakam enough to not go under the screen and dare him to take that three. His shot has really been declining and with Fox and Sabonis so paint focused already, I don't think it would be wise to add a 3rd star who is best operating in the midrange/paint. You're basically locking yourself into a Fox-Siakam-Sabonis core and I'm not sold that those players would produce a synergistic effect. In fact, it could very well be a 2+2+2=5 situation.

I would be pretty surprised if McNair went out in traded for Siakam. Doesn't seem like his type of move and the risk is high on multiple fronts.

You're talking about old Fox.
New Fox is a deadeye shooter.

 

[midtowner]

In our blow out games in which we lost by 20+ maybe we need somebody that doesn’t shoot threes so much. All of those games our 3pt% was horrible. I am not a fan of the live by the three die by the three routine we seem to have now. This year Keegan, huerter and Barnes are all taking three point shots over 50% of the time. I don’t want to dismantle the 3pt attempts but with fox creeping up now 40% of his shots are 3 pt attempts. Siakam would maybe be a perfect fit with this team. The dunkers spot is wide open with the starting unit.

Also - A big that could run with Fox would not hurt. And Siakam can pass. 2 passing bigs can do a ton for an offense.

 

[twslam07]

Good points. Also at 38 million a year, and I assume he’s looking at that much when he resigns, probably not the best use of resources.

I believe a max contract would have his first year at $42.6 mil (and then you’d add 5% raises from there).

 

[twslam07]

You're talking about old Fox.
New Fox is a deadeye shooter.

No, I’m talking about “New Fox”

Fox cannot space the floor for himself so his shooting improvement this year isn’t really relevant in this department. Fox is incredible at breaking down defenses and getting into the paint (and it’s what makes him special). If you swap a .385 3P% shooter (on 5.1 3PA per 36) for a .261 3P% shooter (on 3.7 3PA per 36), you’re making life more difficult for Fox to do what he does best.

 

[iowamcnabb]

I still think Atlanta is the most likely destination for Siakam. I’ve generally been out on him for the kings because of the shooting etc. but who knows, maybe Monte thinks it would work.

 

[jiimbob]

In our blow out games in which we lost by 20+ maybe we need somebody that doesn’t shoot threes so much. All of those games our 3pt% was horrible. I am not a fan of the live by the three die by the three routine we seem to have now. This year Keegan, huerter and Barnes are all taking three point shots over 50% of the time. I don’t want to dismantle the 3pt attempts but with fox creeping up now 40% of his shots are 3 pt attempts. Siakam would maybe be a perfect fit with this team. The dunkers spot is wide open with the starting unit.

I enjoy the debate. I know the conversation has often been about finding a starting four that can space the floor, but Fox, Murray and even Monk in the starting lineup all need to be taken seriously from the outside.

 

[twslam07]

Alright I think I might have figured out a trade for Grant & Thybulle/Caruso (seems POR fans don't really want to trade Thybulle so this will be for Caruso):



-------------------------------------

CHI Gets: Jonathan Isaac & Future SAC 1st (Protected Top 10 From 2026-2030; Otherwise, Nothing Conveyed)
CHI Gives: Alex Caruso, Andre Drummond, & Terry Taylor
Why for CHI? Bulls lean into their rebuild and starting selling off their old, win now vets. They get a lightly protected 1st as well as take a flyer on Isaac who should be able to get some minutes considering they don't have great frontcourt depth.

PG - White / Carter / Ball
SG - LaVine / Dosunmu / Terry
SF - DeRozan / Phillips
PF - Williams / Craig
C - Vucevic / Isaac

-------------------------------------

ORL Gets: Kevin Huerter, Andre Drummond, & Terry Taylor
ORL Gives: Jonathan Isaac, Gary Harris, & 2024 ORL 1st (Protected Top 10 From 2024-2030; Otherwise, 2030 MIL 2nd & 2030 ORL 2nd)
Why for ORL? The Magic are the 4th seed with a 19-12 record, but are 30th in 3PA per game and 3P%. They desperately need some shooting to space the floor for Banchero & Wagner. Huerter gives them a great movement shooter to keep defenses honest. He's also young enough to grow with their young core. This also doesn't impact their cap space too much next season as they'd still have $44.8 mil in cap space during the 2024 offseason with the following players under contract: Suggs, Anthony, Huerter, Black, Houstan, F. Wagner, Howard, Banchero, Carter, & M. Wagner.

PG - Suggs / Anthony / Fultz
SG - Huerter / Black / Houstan
SF - Wagner / Howard / Taylor
PF - Banchero / Ingles / Okeke
C - Carter / Bitadze / Wagner / Drummond

-------------------------------------

POR Gets: Harrison Barnes, Gary Harris, & 2024 ORL 1st (Protected Top 10 From 2024-2030; Otherwise, 2030 MIL 2nd & 2030 ORL 2nd)
POR Gives: Jerami Grant
Why for POR? They get an asset for Grant to further add to their rebuild and get useful vet to help mentor the kids (or to flip for another asset down the road).

PG - Brogdon / Henderson / Mays
SG - Simons / Thybulle / Harris / Rupert
SF - Sharpe / Walker / Murray
PF - Barnes / Camara / Wainwright
C - Ayton / Williams / Reath / Brown

-------------------------------------

SAC Gets: Jerami Grant & Alex Caruso
SAC Gives: Harrison Barnes, Kevin Huerter, & Future SAC 1st (Protected Top 10 From 2026-2030; Otherwise, Nothing Conveyed)
Why for SAC? Grant gives them an upgrade at PF who is a very solid complement next to Sabonis with his size, length, athleticism, defense, rim protection, and high volume shooting. He also gives us another go-to scorer which can come in handy come playoff team if teams are focusing on neutralizing Fox, Monk, Murray, and Sabonis. Caruso gives us a huge defensive upgrade at SG while still being able to knockdown open C&S 3s to keep the floor spaced for Fox/Sabonis.

PG - Fox / Ellis / Mitchell
SG - Caruso / Monk / Duarte / Jones
SF - Murray / Vezenkov / Edwards
PF - Grant / Lyles / Toscano-Anderson
C - Sabonis / Len / McGee

-------------------------------------

 

[iowamcnabb]

I’d do it but we are dealing with an illogical Bull’s front office. They are likely to at least make the play-in and that seems to be good enough for them.

 

[twslam07]

I’d do it but we are dealing with an illogical Bull’s front office. They are likely to at least make the play-in and that seems to be good enough for them.

When healthy, Isaac is an All-Defensive Team caliber player so he might still help them get there despite losing Caruso (Obviously, he'd need to stay healthy and play more minutes than what he was doing at ORL).

Chicago is so guard heavy. Even after doing a trade like this, they still have White, LaVine, Carter, Dosunmu, & Terry. Plenty of guys to fill in those minutes lost by Caruso. On the flip side, they'd now have DeRozan, Williams, Vucevic, Craig, and Isaac to take up all of the frontcourt minutes.

Regardless, you're right that their FO is a bit...odd.

 

[SacTownKid]

I still think Atlanta is the most likely destination for Siakam. I’ve generally been out on him for the kings because of the shooting etc. but who knows, maybe Monte thinks it would work.

The thing about Monte so far is that the smoke means fire. Did with Domas, did with Beal. If the Pacers offer Mathurin I wouldn't turn that down if I were Ujiri. Not sure it's smart of the Pacers to do it though in fact probably pretty stupid if Siakam did walk or Mathurin busts out. With the Knicks out of the LaVine running, or so it would seem, I think that's still Monte's only realistic target for a game changing piece considering he doesn't want to move Keegan.

 

[iowamcnabb]

The thing about Monte so far is that the smoke means fire. Did with Domas, did with Beal. If the Pacers offer Mathurin I wouldn't turn that down if I were Ujiri. Not sure it's smart of the Pacers to do it though in fact probably pretty stupid if Siakam did walk or Mathurin busts out. With the Knicks out of the LaVine running, or so it would seem, I think that's still Monte's only realistic target for a game changing piece considering he doesn't want to move Keegan.

I just can’t get past the salary needed to match. It basically has to be Barnes and Huerter. If you keep Barnes then it needs to be Kevin + Sasha, Davion and Duarte to get to enough salary. That leaves us with these lineups:

Fox Keon
Lavine Monk
Keegan Duarte
Lyles Sasha
Domas Len

or

Fox Keon
Lavine Monk
Keegan Kessler
Barnes Lyles
Domas Len

The first lineup doesn’t leave you with much tradable salary to upgrade the defense at the other wing spot and the second lineup leaves our depth pretty questionable. I know he sniffed around a similar situation with Beal but he was in theory a better player than Lavine. I get the interest in an all star player for little to no assets but you have to be pretty sure. If we had the Holmes contract still I might be a bit more interested

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

I just can’t get past the salary needed to match. It basically has to be Barnes and Huerter. If you keep Barnes then it needs to be Kevin + Sasha, Davion and Duarte to get to enough salary. That leaves us with these lineups:

Fox Keon
Lavine Monk
Keegan Duarte
Lyles Sasha
Domas Len

or

Fox Keon
Lavine Monk
Keegan Kessler
Barnes Lyles
Domas Len

The first lineup doesn’t leave you with much tradable salary to upgrade the defense at the other wing spot and the second lineup leaves our depth pretty questionable. I know he sniffed around a similar situation with Beal but he was in theory a better player than Lavine. I get the interest in an all star player for little to no assets but you have to be pretty sure. If we had the Holmes contract still I might be a bit more interested

What does your general closing lineup look like, with Lavine on the roster?

 

[iowamcnabb]

What does your general closing lineup look like, with Lavine on the roster?

my guess is Mike would go small with Fox, Monk, Lavine, Keegan and Sabonis. Offensively that’s a devastating group but the lack of size would be tough against some teams and defense overall would be pretty suspect.

 

[Tizzy Flip]

In our blow out games in which we lost by 20+ maybe we need somebody that doesn’t shoot threes so much. All of those games our 3pt% was horrible. I am not a fan of the live by the three die by the three routine we seem to have now. This year Keegan, huerter and Barnes are all taking three point shots over 50% of the time. I don’t want to dismantle the 3pt attempts but with fox creeping up now 40% of his shots are 3 pt attempts. Siakam would maybe be a perfect fit with this team. The dunkers spot is wide open with the starting unit.

100% this. Siakam’s slashing, post up and iso game is elite. He’s a really good passer too and, oh by the way, a solid switchable defender. We wouldn’t need him to be a high volume 3 pt shooter, just an opportunistic one. It seems like after that year playing with Derozan, then Kawhi and he was thrust into the leading role, he started shooting more 3s. He wouldn’t need to with us. A guy like him would take a ton of pressure off Fox to score and from Sabonis when the DHO is not working (like it wasn’t in the playoffs)

 

[upinsmoke]

Barnes+Sasha for Randle.

NYK seem to be going in a new direction now is the time to see if they are ready to move on from Randle. He's not ideal but neither is Siakam and he might cost significantly less.

 

[ick300]

Barnes+Sasha for Randle.

NYK seem to be going in a new direction now is the time to see if they are ready to move on from Randle. He's not ideal but neither is Siakam and he might cost significantly less.

Let it be Huerter plus Sasha if the second one have to be involved …
If he is second choice after Barnes in any other team I will cancel my subscription to NBA

 

[iowamcnabb]

Barnes+Sasha for Randle.

NYK seem to be going in a new direction now is the time to see if they are ready to move on from Randle. He's not ideal but neither is Siakam and he might cost significantly less.

the Knicks will likely hold on to Randle because they will need his big salary to match for a star if one becomes available.

 

[twslam07]

100% this. Siakam’s slashing, post up and iso game is elite. He’s a really good passer too and, oh by the way, a solid switchable defender. We wouldn’t need him to be a high volume 3 pt shooter, just an opportunistic one. It seems like after that year playing with Derozan, then Kawhi and he was thrust into the leading role, he started shooting more 3s. He wouldn’t need to with us. A guy like him would take a ton of pressure off Fox to score and from Sabonis when the DHO is not working (like it wasn’t in the playoffs)

The issue is spacing. Saying we don’t need him to take a lot of threes doesn’t change the fact that he’s shooting 26.1% from 3 this season. Not asking him to take a lot of threes and at least being a threat from 3 are two different things.

I mentioned this in a post above, but Fox cannot space the floor for himself. Fox’s bread & butter is breaking down defenses and getting into the paint. If you swap a .385 3P% shooter (on 5.1 3PA per 36) for a .261 3P% shooter (on 3.7 3PA per 36), you’re making life more difficult for Fox to do what he does best.

There’s also the fact that we have 4 guys around Sabonis who can effectively execute a DHO and punish defenders who go under the screen (making the DHO much less effective). With Siakam’s shooting, I’m sure the defender would simply go under the screen and dare Siakam to pull up off the dribble and hit a 3.

Then you add in the fact that he’s going to be 30 this year and he could easily leave in FA this off-season and leave us with very little assets, cap space, etc. to improve the team further.

The age (timeline with rest of the team), contract situation, having few ways to improve the team after a trade, and the fit with our core are all large question marks. I think it would be pretty reckless to make a trade for Siakam at this point.

 

[Tizzy Flip]

The issue is spacing. Saying we don’t need him to take a lot of threes doesn’t change the fact that he’s shooting 26.1% from 3 this season. Not asking him to take a lot of threes and at least being a threat from 3 are two different things.

I mentioned this in a post above, but Fox cannot space the floor for himself. Fox’s bread & butter is breaking down defenses and getting into the paint. If you swap a .385 3P% shooter (on 5.1 3PA per 36) for a .261 3P% shooter (on 3.7 3PA per 36), you’re making life more difficult for Fox to do what he does best.

There’s also the fact that we have 4 guys around Sabonis who can effectively execute a DHO and punish defenders who go under the screen (making the DHO much less effective). With Siakam’s shooting, I’m sure the defender would simply go under the screen and dare Siakam to pull up off the dribble and hit a 3.

Then you add in the fact that he’s going to be 30 this year and he could easily leave in FA this off-season and leave us with very little assets, cap space, etc. to improve the team further.

The age (timeline with rest of the team), contract situation, having few ways to improve the team after a trade, and the fit with our core are all large question marks. I think it would be pretty reckless to make a trade for Siakam at this point.

I just don’t see how spacing gets worse with a player like Siakam. When you have 2 guys on the floors like him and Fox, you have 2 elite slashers who can create their own offense who can also share who brings the ball down.

Also, the DHO is a function of who we have on the floor. We do not exclusively run it. Watch when Monk is on the floor. We do a lot more high pick and roll action. I imagine Brown would change it up a bit, and when he runs DHO it would be to get Keegan involved

 

[twslam07]

I just don’t see how spacing gets worse with a player like Siakam. When you have 2 guys on the floors like him and Fox, you have 2 elite slashers who can create their own offense who can also share who brings the ball down.

Also, the DHO is a function of who we have on the floor. We do not exclusively run it. Watch when Monk is on the floor. We do a lot more high pick and roll action. I imagine Brown would change it up a bit, and when he runs DHO it would be to get Keegan involved

You don’t see how spacing gets worse when we swap a .385 3P% shooter (on 5.1 3PA per 36) for a .261 3P% shooter (on 3.7 3PA per 36)?

 

[Tizzy Flip]

You don’t see how spacing gets worse when we swap a .385 3P% shooter (on 5.1 3PA per 36) for a .261 3P% shooter (on 3.7 3PA per 36)?

No, not with Siakam. You’re thinking of this as if his role will be exactly what Huerter’s is. You think Monte is interested so we can continue to shoot 46% of our shots from 3? He understands the variance with that philosophy. We need to minimize that by adding another playmaker, a guy who can post up and make a good amount of shots around the rim, and as a bonus is a solid passer who will find the open man.

 

[twslam07]

No, not with Siakam. You’re thinking of this as if his role will be exactly what Huerter’s is. You think Monte is interested so we can continue to shoot 46% of our shots from 3? He understands the variance with that philosophy. We need to minimize that by adding another playmaker, a guy who can post up and make a good amount of shots around the rim, and as a bonus is a solid passer who will find the open man.

No, that’s not how I’m thinking at all.

But you seem to be operating under the assumption that shooting/spacing doesn’t impact everyone on the floor. It does. If it didn’t, we could just load up with 5 go-to scorers who all shoot 25% from 3 and dominate teams. Balance & fit are extremely important, and unfortunately, Siakam doesn’t seem like a good fit (and again, that’s not even mentioning the assets we’d have to surrender in a trade, paying him $40+ mil a year into his mid 30s or risking him walking for nothing, etc.).