[Game] Kings vs. Blazers, 11/8/2023 7pm Pacific 10pm Eastern
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I would just start by giving regular spot playing time, for matchups and situations where he will make a difference. Doesn't have to be in a rotation necessarily, but don't forget his value and never use him. I also wouldn't limit playing him later in a game, if needed in a spot, just because he hasn't played yet in that game. Defensive guys are a lot less affected by not being in a rhythm, compared to shooters.
I'm not the biggest advocate for regular scheduled rotations anyways. Change it up, if you see an advantage for different players from game to game. Keeps everyone on their toes, ready, and focused.
I'm not the biggest advocate for regular scheduled rotations anyways. Change it up, if you see an advantage for different players from game to game. Keeps everyone on their toes, ready, and focused.
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He’ll be up and down and have some amazing games in between. I don’t see him being here long term but it depends on what we can get back, of course. Hopefully we can fill another team need now that we aren’t as desperate or thirsty for just any ole small forward. I like HB but time is running out for him here, at least as a starter.
HB's sporadic play has gone from being just inconsistent to being positively weird, imo. If you think about it, Brown is rightly on the second-year Murray to be aggressive and not fade into the woodwork. Yet, what about the veteran Barnes? Oftentimes, I forget he's even out on the floor. I don't see Brown yelling at him to be aggressive, probably because he views him as a lost cause. Barnes may be a good model for the team in some ways, but his disappearing act for players like Murray and others is just the opposite.
But yeah, I'm not sure how you pull Keon or Kessler from the rotation after how good they were on defense. Offensively was not good, but they weren't in the way either. And not like anyone else is making shots anyway, so might as well put guys who give a crap on D in the game.
But that begs the question, what the hell do we do with the rotation? Colby/Keon/Kessler have all made a super compelling case to be getting regular rotation minutes and all 3 guys weren't in our original top 10 plans.
But that begs the question, what the hell do we do with the rotation? Colby/Keon/Kessler have all made a super compelling case to be getting regular rotation minutes and all 3 guys weren't in our original top 10 plans.
Honestly we have too much depth.
Mike Brown might need to have a different strategy for this team because there's probably a lot of guys that deserve minutes.
Maybe he could do one of those super sub strategies where you throw people out there have them go 150% then quick sub then rinse and repeat lol.
Chemistry would probably need to be impeccable though.
Mike Brown might need to have a different strategy for this team because there's probably a lot of guys that deserve minutes.
Maybe he could do one of those super sub strategies where you throw people out there have them go 150% then quick sub then rinse and repeat lol.
Chemistry would probably need to be impeccable though.
100% agree. If they had an opportunity to do that but instead ended up with Vezenkov, shame on the front office. Vezenkov is really not even close to being an NBA level player. He is 28 with only 1-1.5 years of amazing Euroleague run and been just an average player all previous years. Thybulle would have solved so many of Kings problems.
(As a note, in our two games, neither Amen nor Tari played.)
Whether their defense is technically "good" or not may remain to be seen, but they came out and played up to us. We played down to them. A classic problem that we've seen over and over. Houston played hard-nosed in-your-face D for 96 minutes. They played us like they had something to prove, and they damn well did prove it. Yeah, Dillon got away with crap like he always does, but they wanted it, we wilted, and we've got to take a lot of lessons from that.
One of the things we should learn is that we need to play harder. We need to make other teams uncomfortable on offense. Because it works. There's been some talk above of finding regular rotation minutes for Colby/Keon/Kessler even though those guys are technically like our 12th-14th guys when everybody is healthy (and Keon's a two-way, so he can't be here every game). But I say, why not open up the rotation a bit? Why not tell each of these guys (and given the way he's played as a lead guard this year, I'd throw Davion in that group as well for the moment) that they are each gonna get a four-minute stretch in the first half and a four-minute stretch in the second half and that for those four minutes, their job on defense is to harass the ball on the perimeter until they puke. That's it. Rest in a corner on offense just spreading the floor if you gotta, because we're going to have four guys who can score on the floor. Open and close each half with the starters, and have 16 minutes in the middle with a harasser on the floor at all times, something like this:
0-6: Fox/Huerter/Barnes/Keegan/Domas (starters do 6 minutes to open)
6-8: Monk/DAVION/Huerter/Keegan/Domas
8-10: Monk/DAVION/Keegan/Vezenkov/Domas
10-12: Fox/Monk/KESSLER/Vezenkov/Lyles
12-14: Monk/Duarte/KESSLER/Vezenkov/McLen
14-16: KEON/Monk/Duarte/Lyles/McLen
16-18: Fox/KEON/Duarte/Lyles/McLen
18-20: Fox/COLBY/Barnes/Lyles/Domas
20-22: Fox/COLBY/Barnes/Keegan/Domas
22-24: Fox/Monk/Huerter/Keegan/Domas
So, at the beginning of the half while most guys are fresh, we go longer stints, then quicker subs throughout the 2nd/4th quarters. That comes out to something like:
Fox/Domas 32
Keegan 28
Monk 24
Huerter/Barnes 20
Lyles 16
McLen/Vezenkov/Duarte 12
Davion/Kessler/Keon/Colby 8
Yeah, I know, that's a FOURTEEN MAN rotation, but dudes will be fresh. Everybody gets to play that much harder. I want to try something like that and see what it looks like.
Whether their defense is technically "good" or not may remain to be seen, but they came out and played up to us. We played down to them. A classic problem that we've seen over and over. Houston played hard-nosed in-your-face D for 96 minutes. They played us like they had something to prove, and they damn well did prove it. Yeah, Dillon got away with crap like he always does, but they wanted it, we wilted, and we've got to take a lot of lessons from that.
One of the things we should learn is that we need to play harder. We need to make other teams uncomfortable on offense. Because it works. There's been some talk above of finding regular rotation minutes for Colby/Keon/Kessler even though those guys are technically like our 12th-14th guys when everybody is healthy (and Keon's a two-way, so he can't be here every game). But I say, why not open up the rotation a bit? Why not tell each of these guys (and given the way he's played as a lead guard this year, I'd throw Davion in that group as well for the moment) that they are each gonna get a four-minute stretch in the first half and a four-minute stretch in the second half and that for those four minutes, their job on defense is to harass the ball on the perimeter until they puke. That's it. Rest in a corner on offense just spreading the floor if you gotta, because we're going to have four guys who can score on the floor. Open and close each half with the starters, and have 16 minutes in the middle with a harasser on the floor at all times, something like this:
0-6: Fox/Huerter/Barnes/Keegan/Domas (starters do 6 minutes to open)
6-8: Monk/DAVION/Huerter/Keegan/Domas
8-10: Monk/DAVION/Keegan/Vezenkov/Domas
10-12: Fox/Monk/KESSLER/Vezenkov/Lyles
12-14: Monk/Duarte/KESSLER/Vezenkov/McLen
14-16: KEON/Monk/Duarte/Lyles/McLen
16-18: Fox/KEON/Duarte/Lyles/McLen
18-20: Fox/COLBY/Barnes/Lyles/Domas
20-22: Fox/COLBY/Barnes/Keegan/Domas
22-24: Fox/Monk/Huerter/Keegan/Domas
So, at the beginning of the half while most guys are fresh, we go longer stints, then quicker subs throughout the 2nd/4th quarters. That comes out to something like:
Fox/Domas 32
Keegan 28
Monk 24
Huerter/Barnes 20
Lyles 16
McLen/Vezenkov/Duarte 12
Davion/Kessler/Keon/Colby 8
Yeah, I know, that's a FOURTEEN MAN rotation, but dudes will be fresh. Everybody gets to play that much harder. I want to try something like that and see what it looks like.
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