Fox Injury Update
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And now for the other side of the story...
https://theathletic.com/5014471/2023/10/30/deaaron-fox-injury-kings-nba-rules/
<But here’s what the box score didn’t tell you: Fox was in obvious pain for that entire stretch, limping around as if he had rocks in his shoe while somehow managing to will the Kings to their first home win of the season (they fell to Golden State on Friday night). It was the kind of gritty, inspiring performance fans typically love and appreciate.
What a warrior! What a stud! What a … mistake?
When the next morning comes, and with it the realization that he was playing on an ankle that had suffered a fair amount of damage, it’s a sobering reminder that these kinds of short-term choices can sometimes come with long-term consequences — impressive as it was.>
https://theathletic.com/5014471/2023/10/30/deaaron-fox-injury-kings-nba-rules/
<But here’s what the box score didn’t tell you: Fox was in obvious pain for that entire stretch, limping around as if he had rocks in his shoe while somehow managing to will the Kings to their first home win of the season (they fell to Golden State on Friday night). It was the kind of gritty, inspiring performance fans typically love and appreciate.
What a warrior! What a stud! What a … mistake?
When the next morning comes, and with it the realization that he was playing on an ankle that had suffered a fair amount of damage, it’s a sobering reminder that these kinds of short-term choices can sometimes come with long-term consequences — impressive as it was.>
Well since mine is no longer attached on one end, none! I went for a rebound and when I came down landed on someone’s shoe, heard a pop, and that was that. I had many sprains throughout my basketball playing time period but this one was the worst. I actually broke my ankle at this time, but they misread the x ray and didn’t tell me until my 1 month follow up appointment. Took me 3 months to walk normally, 6 months before I was brave enough to even shoot standstill on a court and 1 year to return to playing.
Best thing to do is to strengthen the ankle as much as possible to help prevent sprains. It’s not foolproof of course but that’s the best method. Even with the damage, flexibility and range of motion is pretty symmetrical to the other side, that was never the issue for me.
Best thing to do is to strengthen the ankle as much as possible to help prevent sprains. It’s not foolproof of course but that’s the best method. Even with the damage, flexibility and range of motion is pretty symmetrical to the other side, that was never the issue for me.
Yes, there was a reason. He didn't think it was too bad and he wanted to play.
Revisionist history is always an easy route to take. Besides there's no evidence he made anything worse by attempting to play.
I tore the anterior talofibular ligament in my left ankle playing ball. Sometime in my early 20's.
In the years that followed, I turned that same ankle numerous times and each time it happened it hurt like utter hell and I could barely walk on it. Then, about 5-10 minutes later, it didn't bother me and I could play again.
When Fox injured his ankle then walked on it over to the bench, I thought this was the case for him too (given his history of sprains). Then when he came back in to the game I was sure of it. But then he started laboring and couldn't leave the floor without some help. That's when I suddenly became worried.
You just never know with these types of injuries. Hell, I have a friend that played with a torn ACL. But when I tore my left ACL and meniscus, I was crying in pain and couldn't put any weight on it.
Everyone and every injury is different. Jalen Ramsey just returned from a knee operation about a month to a month and half before expected.
Revisionist history is always an easy route to take. Besides there's no evidence he made anything worse by attempting to play.
I tore the anterior talofibular ligament in my left ankle playing ball. Sometime in my early 20's.
In the years that followed, I turned that same ankle numerous times and each time it happened it hurt like utter hell and I could barely walk on it. Then, about 5-10 minutes later, it didn't bother me and I could play again.
When Fox injured his ankle then walked on it over to the bench, I thought this was the case for him too (given his history of sprains). Then when he came back in to the game I was sure of it. But then he started laboring and couldn't leave the floor without some help. That's when I suddenly became worried.
You just never know with these types of injuries. Hell, I have a friend that played with a torn ACL. But when I tore my left ACL and meniscus, I was crying in pain and couldn't put any weight on it.
Everyone and every injury is different. Jalen Ramsey just returned from a knee operation about a month to a month and half before expected.
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It’s mildly limiting at times and whenever I do end up playing some pick up ball, I am aware of it. I am nowhere near as aggressive as I once was when playing, but I’m also older now (early 30s) so that may play into it also. I don’t really train like I used to when I played on some teams/leagues but for the working out I do it’s fine. When I do run, it feels tighter than the other ankle afterwards. If you damage it badly enough, I think the worry of damaging it potentially even further kind of sticks with you. That’s why there is always talk about athletes overcoming the mental aspect of injury, because it really is a thing. I don’t consider myself an athlete but I can certainly relate to being fearful of injury again. I think as you age you become more aware of these things.
I normally agree with Amick, but I find this take to be a little silly. He obviously rolled his ankle fairly bad, but was able to play until it tightened up on him when he sat between the end of the fourth and OT. Personally, regardless of whether he came back in to play the end of the game, I was always assuming he'd likely be out a couple games. The team won a game against a team that they will be in direct competition with for the playoffs. Shouldn't matter if it's game 3 or game 80. It's an important game. If he felt he could come back in to play, he certainly should have. I'm not a doctor, but I'm guessing his diagnosis after the game would have been no different if he hadn't come back in.
The risk of additional injury doesn’t necessarily stop and end with the original injury location. What does someone typically do as a compensatory strategy when they get hurt? For example, you cut one of your fingers pretty badly on one hand and what do most folks do? Usually, you would use the other hand more until the injured finger heals up enough. The same can be said with an ankle, you would rely on the other one more and would change your actions and your point of attack on a basketball court to the uninjured side until the injured side is up to snuff. Doing this can create overuse injuries, as now you are demanding that the uninjured side compensates for the injured side as well.
Not saying you are wrong and Fox clearly felt the game was important enough to risk it, but it’s not completely accurate to say nothing would have changed one way or the other. Risk always exists and had he indeed got injured further, we all would be fuming at the medical staff and coaches for allowing it to happen.
Not saying you are wrong and Fox clearly felt the game was important enough to risk it, but it’s not completely accurate to say nothing would have changed one way or the other. Risk always exists and had he indeed got injured further, we all would be fuming at the medical staff and coaches for allowing it to happen.
It's certainly fair to say I have no idea if he did any further damage or wasn't at risk. I just have an issue with the current state of the game where there are so many "what ifs" and precautions always taken. I get it, there are all sorts of risks and always a chance he could have done real harm. The reality is that the team doctors probably recommended he sit and he probably said "no ****ing way". This is seriously what separates fox from all but a select few currently playing in the game. I know it's cheesy, and blasphemy around these parts, but it's the Kobe "mamba mentality" that often separates the all time greats. I think Fox has that mentality more than pretty much anyone in the league.
Also, while Amick caveated he thought Fox really did just want to come in to beat the Lakers, he also tied it all back into the new participation rule with the insinuation that players will take more injury risk now just to make sure they hit the 65 game minimum. Fox played last year on a bad ankle for a couple weeks before shutting it down for a few games. I can almost guarantee the participation rule was farthest from his mind.
Also, while Amick caveated he thought Fox really did just want to come in to beat the Lakers, he also tied it all back into the new participation rule with the insinuation that players will take more injury risk now just to make sure they hit the 65 game minimum. Fox played last year on a bad ankle for a couple weeks before shutting it down for a few games. I can almost guarantee the participation rule was farthest from his mind.
Again, not disagreeing with what you said and luckily no harm was done with Fox playing on a hurt ankle. We don’t win the game without him, even on 1 leg he helped save us from a loss. The league has become like this because the outside world has largely become like this. Policies for everything and whatnot. I too toughed it out when I got hurt, but I was younger and thought I was invincible and didn’t consider the future or potential consequences. Fox is our leader and he stepped up when we needed him. The medical staff trusted him on his ankle and we trusted him to carry us.
Davion Mitchell will start in place of Fox. Colby Jones will get some burn in this one, too.
https://www.si.com/nba/kings/news/sacramento-kings-deaaron-fox-replacement-davion-mitchell
https://www.si.com/nba/kings/news/sacramento-kings-deaaron-fox-replacement-davion-mitchell
"I'm told he [De'Aaron Fox] could play as soon as Saturday in Houston, or Monday in Houston."
@ShamsCharania updates us on De'Aaron Fox's injury.
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I injured (rolled) ankle playing basketball years and years ago. I was limping for a week before my mom took me to the Dr. We both figured it would just go away on its own so when I was still limping a week later we saw a Dr. Turned out it was a grade 1 strain so just tore a little bit, but nothing like a 2 or 3 where there are large tears.
I got this sweet plastic ankle air cast to keep me from rolling ankle anymore and I actually played basketball in it for a week before taking it off. The injury for me was about 3 weeks since that first week I still did most of my normal activities before seeing Dr. I wore the cast for a week and didn't play any sports, and the week after that I wore it but played sports lightly, and after that I was good to go!
I had a calf issue playing flag football. I played on it for about 7 weeks, and decided that I will take a week off (which I should have done in the first place so I would stop re-injuring it) and all it took was the week off to completely repair my calf. I spent 7 weeks playing on an injured calf when all I had to do was take one week off.. Hopefully Fox doesn't try to come back too early and make it a nagging issue.
