[Game] Kings vs. Pacers [Vegas Summer League] 7/10/2022 12pm Pacific, 3pm Eastern (ESPN)
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3 or 4 wide open 3s doesn't translate to 17ppg. Also I said his rookie season this would happen. Idk about future. It's not a bad role for him, but you have to somewhat force the issue in nba, not be selfish per se but I don't want him being Hali timid and looking to pass 1st. Again it's not a bad thing as I said his rookie season, but a 4th pick can't be a role player forever. If he was doing this in nba game I completely understand, but summer league he's the alfa
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If that role playing 4th pick ends up being the glue that improves the Kings to a perennial playoff team, it's absolutely worth it. Again, if you look at picks in a vacuum, sure, the 4th pick in a draft should be magnificent. That doesn't take into account available talent. Where would you draft Smith/Holmgren/BancheroMurray/Ivey in last year's draft? What about next year's? You play the hand you were dealt, and I think the Kings so far have shown that the right pick for them was made, regardless of expectations (by some) attached to the number in front of their draft position.
3 or 4 open threes gets you about 12 points. We're aware that it isn't 17. But Murray doesn't need plays drawn up to thrive, and he'll get other scores within the flow of the game. A layup here, a putback there, and all of a sudden you're in the neighborhood. Again, Murray is a good pick for what Sacramento needs, and he was the best choice given available talent. He has already shown, even in summer league, where guard play dominates, to be a heady player who can get points when it counts.
Let's look at the big picture. If he's a high level roleplayer, it means Fox and Sabonis are achieving at the level they need to for Sacramento to have success. He may never be a 30 ppg scorer, or have a 50 point outburst, but if he gets a solid 23-25, he's doing great things for Sacramento.
3 or 4 open threes gets you about 12 points. We're aware that it isn't 17. But Murray doesn't need plays drawn up to thrive, and he'll get other scores within the flow of the game. A layup here, a putback there, and all of a sudden you're in the neighborhood. Again, Murray is a good pick for what Sacramento needs, and he was the best choice given available talent. He has already shown, even in summer league, where guard play dominates, to be a heady player who can get points when it counts.
Let's look at the big picture. If he's a high level roleplayer, it means Fox and Sabonis are achieving at the level they need to for Sacramento to have success. He may never be a 30 ppg scorer, or have a 50 point outburst, but if he gets a solid 23-25, he's doing great things for Sacramento.
I wouldn't call someone Ave 23 to 25 ppg a role player. And If he comes such as a role player I can guarantee we won't get where we need to get, and id we do it won't be because of him. Point is a 4th round pick should be and I know it's not always but he should he shooting for star potential. Was simply pointing out that he should be more aggressive when he's the top prospect out there. You know like all the other top prospects. Not to say he can't be a star, but if he's going to be what I think we need him to be. He gotta bring that dog
Would you have been more excited if he flexed or waved his hands after hitting a three? Being emotive on the outside is no indicator of his skill. The results are there on the court, and I'm pretty pleased right now with what we're seeing. BTW, this was a pretty smooth moment under pressure. I'll take that all day.
Kings fans are an oddly fickle bunch. After years of knuckleheads with poor basketball IQ on the roster, the fans say they want unselfish, high character, high basketball IQ talents that don't showboat and don't alienate themselves from the team. And Monte's actually made a point of pursuing exactly those kinds of players. But then the Kings jump to the fourth pick in the lottery and the fans lose their minds. All of a sudden, "high upside" and "athleticism" rule the day, even though the Kings have been down this road before, and to disastrous results. Valuing upside and athleticism put Marvin Bagley on the roster instead of Luka Doncic, yet plenty of fans were still ready to talk themselves into a guy like Shaedon Sharpe this year once his name achieved its requisite pre-draft hype.
We'll see but I think they are prepping for him to be a full on stretch 4, which is what they need, I just would rather see him get some type of plays where he can show he can get his own offense if for nothing more than value sake. There is something to be said of being productive but if all of your production is dependent on catch and shoot or plays being made for you out of screen sets it changes that value.
It'd be a bit too early to tell no matter who the Kings drafted, but with his vast array of skills and his vaunted work ethic, Keegan Murray is certainly worth betting on as far as future all-stars go. Now, whether he's more along the lines of a 2x all-star like Rashard Lewis or an 11x all-star like Chris Bosh remains to be seen, but he's skilled enough and smart enough and driven enough to fall somewhere on that spectrum.
Also the league has a certain archetype. He looks like the type that would be chosen based on team success if at 22 his development takes more of refinement route than a discovery one. Out of the last all star team selections there were zero production 4's on the roster. The only player that maybe was similar in terms of missing that offense running ability were Wiggins and Gobert. It's funny with all that John Collins talk because I would bet on him having that kind of game at this point with some differences in athletic ability but Keegan looks bigger and stronger for sure. Also a much more natural shooter.
Relax relax. In no way am I dogging the kid, but you can't tell me he hasn't disappeared from the game at times and he's going to fit in nice with the other two potential stats. Guess I was just looking for a lil more aggression. There has only been one player than comes to mind that was that unemotional on the court that had success and that's Duncan. Norm that fire is shown on your sleeve for 95% of top competitors. Say what you want about cousins. The man was a dog here.
Funny how fast the fans turn on you when your traded as if these guys where the problem with the organization
Funny how fast the fans turn on you when your traded as if these guys where the problem with the organization
And some said that he didn't show enough "dog" because he didn't want to take the last shot. I think Fox is smarter than he's given credit for in these parts. He wants to win. He has players around him that can help him win, players suited to maximize his skillet, and a complementary rookie who adds, not subtracts, from what he brings. He has a coaching staff that hopefully maximizes the opportunities to win.
I get that we're all wandering the desert here, but I think we're coming out, and everyone, players and fans, will be all the better for it.
Either that, or Vivek just hit the rock with his staff, and we're set to wander another 20 years.
I get that we're all wandering the desert here, but I think we're coming out, and everyone, players and fans, will be all the better for it.
Either that, or Vivek just hit the rock with his staff, and we're set to wander another 20 years.
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