[Game] Kings vs. Warriors, 4/3/2022 6pm Pacific 9pm Eastern

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#61
Boogie and Green were called the Tech Bros when he was on the dubs
Yeah but I blame Cousins. Can you imagine being a ref listening to Green's non-stop yapping while looking at the Dubs sideline and at a fuming Cousins like his only objective is to avenge his father's murder?
 
#62
we of all people should know the danger of judging people in the last 15-20 games when 1/3 of the league is literally trying to lose. That doesn’t mean Dante isn’t in the plan going forward but I’m not jumping to conclusions based on the end of the year.
How should we feel about davion? Do the people saying he should start instead of fox also realize his improved play was against teams like Indy, Orlando, and Houston? I’m glad he was doing well and getting more playing time but hard to tell if he’s taking the next step or just playing trash teams or good teams with players out. (Except his defense, that’s always been great)
 

Tetsujin

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#63
How should we feel about davion? Do the people saying he should start instead of fox also realize his improved play was against teams like Indy, Orlando, and Houston? I’m glad he was doing well and getting more playing time but hard to tell if he’s taking the next step or just playing trash teams or good teams with players out. (Except his defense, that’s always been great)
But that's different because they don't like Fox!
 
#64
Davion has a ton of work to do this offseason. It's real easy to remember when he puts up 24 and 9 and real easy to forget when he shoots like Justin Holiday on steroids. Which happens far too often.

The good thing is that he shows flashes of being a real solid player at times. The bad thing is that he doesn't even look like he belongs in the league at times as well. I'm hoping he's able to take a step forward next year and get rid of these god awful shooting nights. He's going to have some work to do if he wants to be able to play next to Fox.
 
#65
So I'm hearing from various talking head Kings podcasts that Fox didn't fit well with haliburton and now he doesn't fit well with davion and that a davion trade could possibly do the kings good. So let me get this straight, the kings didn't draft Doncic because well, he would take the ball out of Fox's hands. The kings traded haliburton because fox and him just weren't doing well together. And now, fox and davion might not work well together so it might behoove the kings to trade davion if it makes the kings better. Now I'm not saying davion should be playing over Fox. I don't think thats the case at all. But when are people gonna see the large elephant in the room? Can Fox be paired up with anyone? Maybe, just maybe, Fox isn't the player the kings have built him up to be.
 
#66
So I'm hearing from various talking head Kings podcasts that Fox didn't fit well with haliburton and now he doesn't fit well with davion and that a davion trade could possibly do the kings good. So let me get this straight, the kings didn't draft Doncic because well, he would take the ball out of Fox's hands. The kings traded haliburton because fox and him just weren't doing well together. And now, fox and davion might not work well together so it might behoove the kings to trade davion if it makes the kings better. Now I'm not saying davion should be playing over Fox. I don't think thats the case at all. But when are people gonna see the large elephant in the room? Can Fox be paired up with anyone? Maybe, just maybe, Fox isn't the player the kings have built him up to be.
I get what you're saying but Haliburton netted us Sabonis. If the fit isn't there but Davion puts up numbers, I'd be all about trading him for a Sabonis level small forward.
 

Tetsujin

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#67
I get what you're saying but Haliburton netted us Sabonis. If the fit isn't there but Davion puts up numbers, I'd be all about trading him for a Sabonis level small forward.
Right, the Kings didn't trade Haliburton because they didn't want to play him with Fox or didn't think they could play together. They traded him because they wanted Domantas Sabonis and had a way to do it without giving away any draft capital.
 

pdxKingsFan

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#68
Aside from the above, who is saying these things?
a) people who hate Fox (or I guess a smaller camp who hate DM?)
b) talk radio/blue check Kings Twitter who have nothing better to do at this point in the season
 
#69
So I'm hearing from various talking head Kings podcasts that Fox didn't fit well with haliburton and now he doesn't fit well with davion and that a davion trade could possibly do the kings good. So let me get this straight, the kings didn't draft Doncic because well, he would take the ball out of Fox's hands. The kings traded haliburton because fox and him just weren't doing well together. And now, fox and davion might not work well together so it might behoove the kings to trade davion if it makes the kings better. Now I'm not saying davion should be playing over Fox. I don't think thats the case at all. But when are people gonna see the large elephant in the room? Can Fox be paired up with anyone? Maybe, just maybe, Fox isn't the player the kings have built him up to be.
or Maybe just maybe, the FO has never built around Fox to set him up to succeed?
 
#71
So I'm hearing from various talking head Kings podcasts that Fox didn't fit well with haliburton and now he doesn't fit well with davion and that a davion trade could possibly do the kings good. So let me get this straight, the kings didn't draft Doncic because well, he would take the ball out of Fox's hands. The kings traded haliburton because fox and him just weren't doing well together. And now, fox and davion might not work well together so it might behoove the kings to trade davion if it makes the kings better. Now I'm not saying davion should be playing over Fox. I don't think thats the case at all. But when are people gonna see the large elephant in the room? Can Fox be paired up with anyone? Maybe, just maybe, Fox isn't the player the kings have built him up to be.
Or maybe give the players some time to build team chemistry? I mean the 3 examples given played 1 and 1/2 seasons, 1 season and 0 mins with fox and none played a full season starting next to him. 2 players aren’t gonna fox this franchise and giving up on 2 good players before they even get a chance to really play together is partly the reason why the team keeps sucking.
 

Kingster

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#72
So I'm hearing from various talking head Kings podcasts that Fox didn't fit well with haliburton and now he doesn't fit well with davion and that a davion trade could possibly do the kings good. So let me get this straight, the kings didn't draft Doncic because well, he would take the ball out of Fox's hands. The kings traded haliburton because fox and him just weren't doing well together. And now, fox and davion might not work well together so it might behoove the kings to trade davion if it makes the kings better. Now I'm not saying davion should be playing over Fox. I don't think thats the case at all. But when are people gonna see the large elephant in the room? Can Fox be paired up with anyone? Maybe, just maybe, Fox isn't the player the kings have built him up to be.
I agree with the "maybe" part. Nobody knows. It's all a "maybe" with Fox. If he does not come into camp on Day 1 of next season and play like an All Star (like he has during the latter part of this season), then the alarm bells should ring off the hook. I'm absolutely done with the "starting the season slow" and then finish fast thing. No. He can't just ease himself down the road and save himself for a year-end playoff push. He needs to start the season on fire and end the season exploding into the playoffs. Even with the current mix of talent, this team should get into the playoffs. Even without the addition of a good rookie. Even without trading some pieces and getting a more well rounded roster. Granted, this team does need a good coach. But if McNair gets a good coach and this team is below .500 at the trading deadline, Fox should be and probably will be gone. If teams like the Clippers, Timberwolves, Jazz, Hornets and Miami have the records they do with the talent they have, Fox and the Kings have no excuses whatsoever on next year.
 

Kingster

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#73
How should we feel about davion? Do the people saying he should start instead of fox also realize his improved play was against teams like Indy, Orlando, and Houston? I’m glad he was doing well and getting more playing time but hard to tell if he’s taking the next step or just playing trash teams or good teams with players out. (Except his defense, that’s always been great)
He has one year under his belt. His defense is elite. His offense is sporadic. Wait until the end of Year 2 to have any idea on his long term potential.

P.S. If Davion gets any cred whatsoever from officials on being a veteran, not a rookie, probably half the blocking fouls he got this year go away and become charges instead. Something to watch for next year.
 
#74
16 years, oh boy. Last time the Kings were in the playoffs I was in elementary school and even those games I didn't see because they would not show it on TV here live back then. So I have not seen a Kings playoff game live since 2004.

Now 2022. I have gone through highschool and college. It's depressing. I don't even know what the team should do. Feels like nothing is gonna work. Whatever Monte or who else will come next in line and take over the team in years to come, will try to do his best and try to accomplish something here, but my mindset is set already - it will not work. Because it's the Kings. Damn. Sad.
 
#75
I get what you're saying but Haliburton netted us Sabonis. If the fit isn't there but Davion puts up numbers, I'd be all about trading him for a Sabonis level small forward.
Thus, the point of BPA in the draft. Hali was pretty clear at 12, but it's easy to forget the Kings didn't have a "need" at the time with Fox, Buddy and Bogdan's RFA rights already on the team. Mitchell wasn't a "need" but, let us go get Sabonis and have the confidence we'd be able to replace Hali's missing guard production eventually with Mitchell.
 

Kingster

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#76
Thus, the point of BPA in the draft. Hali was pretty clear at 12, but it's easy to forget the Kings didn't have a "need" at the time with Fox, Buddy and Bogdan's RFA rights already on the team. Mitchell wasn't a "need" but, let us go get Sabonis and have the confidence we'd be able to replace Hali's missing guard production eventually with Mitchell.
Yes, 1000%. It's a strategy I've supported forever for the draft and I expect the same thinking by McNair in the upcoming draft. However, if he does end up drafting a point guard in this draft, it sure would be nice if the log-jam could be resolved over the summer rather than at next year's trade deadline.
 

Capt. Factorial

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#77
Yes, 1000%. It's a strategy I've supported forever for the draft and I expect the same thinking by McNair in the upcoming draft. However, if he does end up drafting a point guard in this draft, it sure would be nice if the log-jam could be resolved over the summer rather than at next year's trade deadline.
This draft we're likely safe. Outside of Ivey if we get the #4 pick and he's left over, I don't think there's even a PG in our range outside of TyTy at the bottom end of our range, and even then he's probably not BPA. Could be wrong, of course, but this draft seems relatively free of PG-as-BPA issues.
 

Kingster

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#78
This draft we're likely safe. Outside of Ivey if we get the #4 pick and he's left over, I don't think there's even a PG in our range outside of TyTy at the bottom end of our range, and even then he's probably not BPA. Could be wrong, of course, but this draft seems relatively free of PG-as-BPA issues.
Probably so. Ivey is the guy I'm thinking about. If it's between Ivey and a SF or SG that just isn't of the same caliber, McNair is taking Ivey. At this point, the Kings should be so lucky with the ping pong balls as to have the opportunity to draft Ivey, as he's probably in the top three or four.
 
#79
Probably so. Ivey is the guy I'm thinking about. If it's between Ivey and a SF or SG that just isn't of the same caliber, McNair is taking Ivey. At this point, the Kings should be so lucky with the ping pong balls as to have the opportunity to draft Ivey, as he's probably in the top three or four.
If it's any consolation, Ivey is more of a SG/combo guard than a PG.
 
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