[Game] Kings @ Raptors, 12/13/2021 4pm Pacific 7pm Eastern

[Capt. Factorial]

Beating our friend Tetsujin to the punch on this one because I suppose this poll has to happen at this point. Although the trade deadline is not until February 10th, December 15th is a big day because teams become able to trade players that they signed to free agent contracts over the summer. This not only puts more assets on the market, but also opens up a lot more creative ways to satisfy NBA trade rules as regards the salary cap.

With the Kings' struggles early this season and some often decidedly uninspired play, it seems the majority of Kings fans (who have not tuned out entirely) are in favor of moving forward with a roster that is at least somewhat different than the roster as currently constructed. So, let's see who Kings fans are against trading away from the team as we move forward. There are only 10 options possible in the poll, so I've listed 8 and left an "other" option - so if you're absolutely adamant that we do not trade away, for example, Metu, select "other" and drop his name in the comments. I've also left a "none" option if you think EVERYBODY should be on the table in trade talks.

This should be...fun.

 

[kb02]

Dude, this is pretty much a double negative question. Someone's going to misread it. LOLZZZZ

 

[Tetsujin]

Can't wait for the hangar full of banger hot taekz sure to come out of this poll lol

Go Kings

 

[Tetsujin]

Also should be noted that despite all the sky is falling/burn everything down now talk, we're still somehow in the 10th seed and would technically be in the postseason (albeit for a play-in game against the incredibly underwhelming Dallas Mavericks).

 

[kb02]

Also should be noted that despite all the sky is falling/burn everything down now talk, we're still somehow in the 10th seed and would technically be in the postseason (albeit for a play-in game against the incredibly underwhelming Dallas Mavericks).

Very, very, very few people care about the play in. It's a very, very,very, very small island. The Vlade core needs to go.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

It would be fun to knock a "good" team out via the play-in but it's pretty much the ultimate consolation prize to knowing your draft pick is going to be unimpactful.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

as for trades there are keep 2/X or move this guy or that guy but at this point it's all interchangeable. Bagley is a bit of a wild card because if we move him I hope we get the player we thought he would be - except it's looking right now like he may be that guy? uggh. Why couldn't we have moved on from Luke last year.

 

[Chupacabra]

I expect to Vanvleet to drop 40 on us. Don't let me down, Fred!

 

[SLAB]

TD

everyone else MUST go!!!

 

[Woot!]

None. In every case it depends what's coming back and how that fits with who's left.

Yeah, would love to hang onto Haliburton and Davion; they're already good and cheap and each would make a great contribution to the "culture" and player leadership I'd like to see with the Kings. OTOH, those very things make them valuable to other teams. Gotta give value to get value.

 

[dude12]

As far as the poll, I need the option for “anyone if the trade makes us better”. But I don’t want to give Fox or Hali or Mitchell or Holmes away if we aren’t getting value back. I put Hield in the “ he’s got to go” category.

As for Fox, he needs to stop with the games like Cleveland when his defensive effort was terrible. He shows effort against a Paul George because he takes the challenge but then mails it in against Cleveland like many others on the team but he’s also are most talented guy so I’m not giving him away for under value.

As for Hali and Davion, that core is all great with the “right attitude” and all but how far are they really taking us? I guess we can find out.

All I know is I look at Chicago and they were a sh*t show previously and Lavine was getting the same blowback from fans like Fox but then Chicago went and traded for Vuc but the biggest move was getting Demar Derozan. Amazing what happens when you get an all-star level player added to a talented but erratic core. Add in a few role players like Caruso who plays D and look what has happened.

If we could add an all-star type guy to the core, what would we be like? It would take moving Hield, Bagley maybe a Barnes but the big pieces would be lightly or un- protected first round picks from the Kings. That’s the only ticket out of this mess.

 

[hrdboild]

I'm not strongly against trading anybody at this point but I voted for: (1) Fox -- his value has never been lower so it's a bad time to trade him (2) Bagley -- same reason, and he also fills a massive need with his rebounding (3) Mitchell -- I love his individual defensive effort and I wish the team had 3 more guards who played defense like that (4) Davis -- assuming we move Buddy, we need a bench SG and he's been fantastic lately (5) Other -- I also hope we keep Metu and Queta.

I'd be shopping packages that include Barnes, Haliburton, Hield, Holmes, and picks right now hoping we can shake loose a star wing player from somebody or at least some combination of players who will help our league-worst defense. I know a lot of you are set on building around Mitchell and Haliburton which might be the better way to go but I think other front offices probably value our players the same way that we do and we're unlikely to swing the type of big trade we're hoping for without dangling a perceived young stud like Haliburton or Mitchell as the bait.

 

[The_Jamal]

None. In every case it depends what's coming back and how that fits with who's left.

Yeah, would love to hang onto Haliburton and Davion; they're already good and cheap and each would make a great contribution to the "culture" and player leadership I'd like to see with the Kings. OTOH, those very things make them valuable to other teams. Gotta give value to get value.

My issue with Hali/Davion in trades is these are the exact kind of dudes we want to get back in trades for our vets; Good, young and affordable for the next 2-3 years. I'm not sure what you could realistically get back in a trade that helps us bottom out and are better rebuilding assets than they are at this point.

 

[Tetsujin]

My issue with Hali/Davion in trades is these are the exact kind of dudes we want to get back in trades for our vets; Good, young and affordable for the next 2-3 years. I'm not sure what you could realistically get back in a trade that helps us bottom out and are better rebuilding assets than they are at this point.

Picks, picks, and more picks. Isn't that the point of a Process-style rebuild? Trade good young players for the chance at more good young players down the line!

 

[gunks]

I really want Buddy out of here. Not sure what he’ll bring back though, his value has to be pretty low right now.

Fox is the most intriguing trade piece, and I’m warming up to shipping him out after his listless play this season. He can still score, but as a PG you need to make other players better, and the only players he’s making look good is whoever he’s “guarding”.

I’m not sure we have the pieces to nab an all star capable of elevating this roster to a solid playoff level squad. Tinker moves will likewise get us nowhere, so we’re back to tanking…. Which has its own risks, as we’d be relying on both lotto luck as well as this franchise’s ability (or lack thereof) to pick the correct player and actually develop them.

So basically what I’m saying is that it’s completely hopeless.

 

[Tetsujin]

My issue with Hali/Davion in trades is these are the exact kind of dudes we want to get back in trades for our vets; Good, young and affordable for the next 2-3 years. I'm not sure what you could realistically get back in a trade that helps us bottom out and are better rebuilding assets than they are at this point.

I'd also say that if we're trying to do a win now trade, Davion and Hali would probably be the assets other teams would most likely be looking for.

You do a Davion or Tyrese and Bagley and picks package for Sabonis, trade Holmes and or Buddy for a wing and that'd probably be your optimal win now scenario.

Sabonis
Barnes
(Wing)
Whichever one of Davion or Tyrese you didn't move
Fox

 

[Sluggah]

Voted none, but we’re definitely in ‘sell low’ territory for almost the entire roster, which is a really unfortunate position to be in.

 

[The_Jamal]

I'd also say that if we're trying to do a win now trade, Davion and Hali would probably be the assets other teams would most likely be looking for.

You do a Davion or Tyrese and Bagley and picks package for Sabonis, trade Holmes and or Buddy for a wing and that'd probably be your optimal win now scenario.

Sabonis
Barnes
(Wing)
Whichever one of Davion or Tyrese you didn't move
Fox

Sure, but that's a different direction. If you're selling out the future, you trade the assets that teams wanting to rebuild would want. Which is why we reset, we should look to keep those rebuilding assets unless someone blows us away

 

[Tetsujin]

Sure, but that's a different direction. If you're selling out the future, you trade the assets that teams wanting to rebuild would want. Which is why we reset, we should look to keep those rebuilding assets unless someone blows us away

To be fair, the poll question isn't who do you want to keep in a rebuild but just "Who wouldn't you want to trade?" The trade in question could go in either direction.

 

[Chupacabra]

I selected "Other" to represent 1st round picks. Can't emulate anything near what SA or GS did by trading away your 1st round picks.

 

[Tetsujin]

I selected "Other" to represent 1st round picks. Can't emulate anything near what SA or GS did by trading away your 1st round picks.

You can probably make the argument Golden State would have been better off trading their last couple of picks rather than using them all and then letting the guys they drafted sorta rot in Santa Cruz.

 

[Tetsujin]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1470523014907191296

 

[Elektrik]

I have no attachment to ANY of these players. I wouldn’t shed a tear for any of them. Buh-Bye

 

[Woot!]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1470523014907191296

Hurray! It took Gentry too long to get there IMO.

Damian Jones has epitomized "stay ready" this year and definitely deserves some regular minutes, especially with the defense cratering yet again. Len, OTOH, has been a disappointment - and I say that as someone who was happy to see his return.

Dudes may not always play smart on defense, but they can at least play hard on defense. Reward the ones who do w/PT and I'll live w/the results.

 

[Woot!]

56 votes right now and nary a one for Buddy.

 

[EIM86]

Also should be noted that despite all the sky is falling/burn everything down now talk, we're still somehow in the 10th seed and would technically be in the postseason (albeit for a play-in game against the incredibly underwhelming Dallas Mavericks).

I’ve been against the play-in since it was introduced. Get rid of it 9 and 10 seed doesn’t deserve a chance

 

[ockingsfan]

IMO, you trade away the vets like Buddy, Barnes, and Holmes. You ride with your young guys, i.e. players 24 years old or younger.

Why trade away a good young player (ie. Fox or Haliburton) for an even younger young player or picks that hasn't proven anything?

You keep the young guys and trade away the playoff ready vets to a team in the running for a deep playoff run. Get back assets, young players with upside and/or draft picks. For example, trade Harrison Barnes to Boston for Neismith and a 1st round pick or to GSW for Kuminga. Let the young guys develop and grow together.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

56 votes right now and nary a one for Buddy.

Well, 30 different voters. Interesting to note that outside of Hali and Davion (both at 70% at the moment) nobody else has pulled 15%. In a multiple-choice poll.

 

[Tetsujin]

IMO, you trade away the vets like Buddy, Barnes, and Holmes. You ride with your young guys, i.e. players 24 years old or younger.

Why trade away a good young player (ie. Fox or Haliburton) for an even younger young player or picks that hasn't proven anything?

You keep the young guys and trade away the playoff ready vets to a team in the running for a deep playoff run. Get back assets, young players with upside and/or draft picks. For example, trade Harrison Barnes to Boston for Neismith and a 1st round pick or to GSW for Kuminga. Let the young guys develop and grow together.

There's a chance Boston would just let us have him for free the way he's been playing lately

 

[Kingster]

Draper lobbying for Simmons. Yeah, he's been an All Star. He's also on the "All Choke" Team. Don't want a choker/mental case as a key player on this team. Forget Simmons.