Yet again. Which way to go

Annual which way do we go


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#1
The annual Kingsfans debate. Yet again we sit at the precipice of the play-in 3 games back but also 3 games back of the 4 spot. Will Monte finally pick a direction and commit to it or will he remain all options are open and succeed at nothing. Which direction do you want to go?
 
#5
Normally I would say "push for the play-in", however, we annually go through stretches where we don't just lose more than win, we get crushed in losses that are parts of long losing streaks. Why would that happen to a roster that is supposedly put together to get into the playoffs? Thats the kind thing that should be happening to a team that is in rebuild mode.
 

The_Jamal

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#6
Depends if Vivek wisens up or not and lets Monte tear this team down. Like Baja said in the other thread, he's been trying to put band-aids on this team to make the playoffs since he got here rather than follow a good team-building process that sets you up for long-term playoff success.
 
#10
We already know what we need to do. Tell Vivek he sucks. Protest with signs outside the arena for him to stop meddling and micromanaging. Do it properly and let Monte pick a coach even if he’s not the best GM
 

funkykingston

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#17
They have Corey Brewer already. This time his name is Maurice Harkless and the Kings GM gave him a 2 year deal, lol.
Eh, Moe Harkless at $4.5M/year seems like a good depth signing to me. Solid vet, plays good defense, can swing between forward spots etc.

Having such a talent deficient roster that he was actually a starter to begin the season is definitely the bigger issue.
 
#18
If the same organization rebuilds the team, we will end up with the same team... and the pleasure of sitting through many additional losing seasons. Unless we're talking new ownership and new personnel under a new leader, I would rather stick with our core and add the missing pieces. I have no illusions that we will win a ring, but I'm not willing to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Perfect is a pipe dream, but Good is doable.
 

SacTownKid

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#19
Eh, Moe Harkless at $4.5M/year seems like a good depth signing to me. Solid vet, plays good defense, can swing between forward spots etc.

Having such a talent deficient roster that he was actually a starter to begin the season is definitely the bigger issue.
This team wasn't and isn't in the cheap depth phase. Cheap depth on middle rung teams is cap opportunity lost and you don't solve the current NBA's wing questions with cheap depth players. They should have learned that lesson with GR3.
 

funkykingston

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#21
This team wasn't and isn't in the cheap depth phase. Cheap depth on middle rung teams is cap opportunity lost and you don't solve the current NBA's wing questions with cheap depth players. They should have learned that lesson with GR3.
If you're saying McNair should have done more to address the roster imbalance and lack of wings, sure. But again, Harkless in a vacuum is a decent signing for a team that needed to fill out the depth chart.
 
#22
The goal of the Kings getting to the post-season must not now, or ever, be an end unto itself. It should be a building block on the way to being a contender - with the ultimate goal of winning a championship. If mediocrity (finishing in the 10th spot in the Western Conference, for example) is some sort of crowning achievement, then those in pursuit are sadly misguided. Right now, this organization needs to make decisions about personnel free of any arbitrary or small-minded considerations (i.e. “making the play-in”, “ending the playoff drought”). That type of middling mindset has gotten this franchise NOWHERE. After 15 years of futility, a contrived sense of urgency merely in the interest of breaking some streak and nothing more is pure folly. The FO needs to take the longer view and set this team up for REAL success. If that means dismantling the core and writing this season off in favor of a coherent plan for the future, then so be it.
 
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SacTownKid

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#23
If you're saying McNair should have done more to address the roster imbalance and lack of wings, sure. But again, Harkless in a vacuum is a decent signing for a team that needed to fill out the depth chart.
I disagree and I think I am mostly uncertain about that 2nd year. If it were a 1 year deal, eh, big deal, more expirings to move at the deadline if it didn't work. I haven't looked it up lately but I recall seeing it's guaranteed. If so, that was a mistake. He likely overpaid as is, no team was giving Harkless more than the minimum. With things wavering now it would have been nice to have an extra out in a worst case and the cap space this summer to go with it. Being so hell bent on running things back with the way they looked while drafting another PG is probably more clueless on the surface than anything Vlade did in total any single summer.
 
#24
I disagree and I think I am mostly uncertain about that 2nd year. If it were a 1 year deal, eh, big deal, more expirings to move at the deadline if it didn't work. I haven't looked it up lately but I recall seeing it's guaranteed. If so, that was a mistake. He likely overpaid as is, no team was giving Harkless more than the minimum. With things wavering now it would have been nice to have an extra out in a worst case and the cap space this summer to go with it. Being so hell bent on running things back with the way they looked while drafting another PG is probably more clueless on the surface than anything Vlade did in total any single summer.
Yikes dude, come on. McNair having to clean up Vlades 100 million losing core is why he hasn't been able to make any impact moves and have to win on the fringes. I think that value has probably changed over this season with Buddy/Barnes/Holmes all playing so well, so I think it'd be reasonable to say he could get fair value for them now. But unless you were suggesting he just dump the core for nothing, what's he supposed to do? Stuck with big contracts on long-term deals.

He took over for a losing core, no future assets, a loser coach he wasn't allowed to fire and install his own guy. This was never going to be a 2 year turn-around.
 

SacTownKid

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#25
Yikes dude, come on. McNair having to clean up Vlades 100 million losing core is why he hasn't been able to make any impact moves and have to win on the fringes. I think that value has probably changed over this season with Buddy/Barnes/Holmes all playing so well, so I think it'd be reasonable to say he could get fair value for them now. But unless you were suggesting he just dump the core for nothing, what's he supposed to do? Stuck with big contracts on long-term deals.

He took over for a losing core, no future assets, a loser coach he wasn't allowed to fire and install his own guy. This was never going to be a 2 year turn-around.
I don't think the idea was turn around to begin with when you start re-signing your own fringe players. I have no problem with Barnes/Buddy/Holmes. In fact it shows you how Vlade got some nice steal level deals all things considered. I'm talking the little moves around the periphery that add up in the short term that could cost you long term. Why sign guys to 2 year deals when there is no guarantee about the future of your team? The difference between 105 million on your books this summer and 96 could mean something. It leads me to believe they may have actually been surprised that the Luke experiment failed.
 
#26
I don't think the idea was turn around to begin with when you start re-signing your own fringe players. I have no problem with Barnes/Buddy/Holmes. In fact it shows you how Vlade got some nice steal level deals all things considered. I'm talking the little moves around the periphery that add up in the short term that could cost you long term. Why sign guys to 2 year deals when there is no guarantee about the future of your team? The difference between 105 million on your books this summer and 96 could mean something. It leads me to believe they may have actually been surprised that the Luke experiment failed.
What impact at our position of need signed for the 9 mil/year salary this year? Or even potentially considered us?
 
#28
Kings should rebuild, but the powers that be won’t do so. You have an owner, who seems to love two to three year windows. And you have an exec, who knows he has a two to three year window.

Translation: Kings are getting Simmons or Sabonis. Reload n go for that play in spot. Not blow it up and tank,
 
#29
I can't believe the announced goal of Monte McNair is to make it to the playoffs. Awful and waste of time.

Continue to have the goal of "make it to the playoffs"
or
Sell, attain assets, and re-build to have a chance to really be competitive.
 
#30
Someone isn't a Kings fan......
Just nitpicking here, but technically all you can say is the poster isn't a Sacramento fan. For anybody who doesn't have roots in Sac, the location of the franchise itself probably has little bearing on their support for it.