2021 Free Agency Mega Thread
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Well I don't see anything about me talking about Fox's flaws at all in that post. And I've only been talking about Fox because there are lots of other posters who aren't even considering trading him for Simmons or other star players, while I am of the position that doing so given the current roster makeup might be better for the TEAM. By nature of such an argument, I'm going to be pointing out his flaws more often than I'm focusing on his strengths, since those are already covered by the posters I'm debating. For all the talk about how I'm always the guy with some sort of shtick for either Buddy or Fox, I'm also one of the few who actually attempts to put forward an argument with reasoning and stats, something that used to be a lot more commonplace here. You're no stranger to that, being one of the first few "advanced stats" guys here from a decade ago. 90% of the "arguments" here today consist of pure sentimental/eye-test logic (Buddy is dumb! Fox wants to be here! Hali speaks so well to the media! Harrison Barnes is such a professional!), and you wonder why I feel the need to pick on them? I believe you recently made a post saying that Buddy's production can be replicated by Terrence Davis and Ramsey. I mean, do you really believe that is a reasonable judgment on such a small sample size for Davis and Ramsey playing well for 3 summer league games? Start the "Fox will never improve, let's trade him for Mike Conley" thread and I'll be in there pointing out Fox's strengths (if no one else does).
In this particular instance though my post really had nothing to do with Fox, and everything to do with taking a lighthearted jab at Kings fans lol, in particular Tetsu who bashes 90% of what other teams do, while for the Kings he defends 95% of what they do (in all fairness he actually bashes 100% of what they do in hour 1, then "comes around" by hour 2).
In this particular instance though my post really had nothing to do with Fox, and everything to do with taking a lighthearted jab at Kings fans lol, in particular Tetsu who bashes 90% of what other teams do, while for the Kings he defends 95% of what they do (in all fairness he actually bashes 100% of what they do in hour 1, then "comes around" by hour 2).
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Fair enough! Good post. It was just an observation because I do enjoy reading your stuff and it had gotten... a little sole-focused on Fox with every topic related to the Kings. But I get it.
I'll clarify the TD/Ramsey comment a bit more; it's a production/$ sentiment. They cost a combined 5 mil while Buddy is 22 mil. Buddy is clearly the better player, but he's not worth 4x the money if you replaced his minutes with TD and Ramsey.
Now, something I'm really coming around on is Buddy just moving to the 3 90% of the time, something I'm not confident TD or Ramsey could do for big minutes. We have a big sample last season of us having a dominant lineup with him at the 3. There just aren't that many dominant scoring wings that would truly take advantage on defense. I think it's actual a really good move for him because he is a bulkier/stronger player with bad lateral quickness, but with the big wingspan. That helps matched up on the bigger/slower wings rather than him trying to stay in front of guards, which he struggles with. Buddy as a guard doesn't have a future with this team; Buddy as a 3 however could very well continue to be a core player for the next few years. I think that drastically changes his outlook
I'll clarify the TD/Ramsey comment a bit more; it's a production/$ sentiment. They cost a combined 5 mil while Buddy is 22 mil. Buddy is clearly the better player, but he's not worth 4x the money if you replaced his minutes with TD and Ramsey.
Now, something I'm really coming around on is Buddy just moving to the 3 90% of the time, something I'm not confident TD or Ramsey could do for big minutes. We have a big sample last season of us having a dominant lineup with him at the 3. There just aren't that many dominant scoring wings that would truly take advantage on defense. I think it's actual a really good move for him because he is a bulkier/stronger player with bad lateral quickness, but with the big wingspan. That helps matched up on the bigger/slower wings rather than him trying to stay in front of guards, which he struggles with. Buddy as a guard doesn't have a future with this team; Buddy as a 3 however could very well continue to be a core player for the next few years. I think that drastically changes his outlook
Actually, I don't think Buddy is "clearly" a better 2-guard than Davis when both ends of the floor are taken into account. Certainly, Buddy has the better 3-ball, which is important, and appears to be physically stronger. But, hypothetically, no, subbing Davis for Buddy over 30 min would not make the Kings' starting lineup appreciably weaker IMO. And when you take the salaries into account...
Indeed.
Metu, Harkless, King, Buddy, even Bags - I'd much prefer to see what those guys can do than add Hart, Oubre, Markkanen... If we can't get someone who would really upgrade the spot opposite HB then the only very plausible gettable I'm genuinely curious about is Vanderbilt. The_Jamal has done a nice job selling his virtues. More defense and rebounding would be welcome.
Metu, Harkless, King, Buddy, even Bags - I'd much prefer to see what those guys can do than add Hart, Oubre, Markkanen... If we can't get someone who would really upgrade the spot opposite HB then the only very plausible gettable I'm genuinely curious about is Vanderbilt. The_Jamal has done a nice job selling his virtues. More defense and rebounding would be welcome.