[Game] Kings @ Mavs, Sunday May 2nd, 5pm Pacific, 8pm Eastern
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I would say sadly for the Kings that when the likes of Fox/Barnes don't play there's really no overall difference from a winning point of view and from the 26 or so game sample size past two seasons they have played well above record wise than what they have with Fox and being able to replace him with the like of CoJo (last year), Haliburtion (talented) and Wright does not really bode well when he's on or close to a max deal.
I 100% think they should replace Barnes at all costs, Fox maybe a coaching change might fix but if a star player like Simmons becomes available for a trade I would explore it. But I think it's a interesting discussion to have.
I 100% think they should replace Barnes at all costs, Fox maybe a coaching change might fix but if a star player like Simmons becomes available for a trade I would explore it. But I think it's a interesting discussion to have.
No one wants to be on record saying that.
A better related question is how does a team build around a score first PG? Fox is hands down the Kings best player, and this franchise pushed him to be a score first PG. The team needs another natural scorer/shot creator. It would be better if they found that in a 3 or 4 and not push Hali to be that guy.
A better related question is how does a team build around a score first PG? Fox is hands down the Kings best player, and this franchise pushed him to be a score first PG. The team needs another natural scorer/shot creator. It would be better if they found that in a 3 or 4 and not push Hali to be that guy.
Portland might be a better example. Two score first guards. Hard to find two better guards than Dame and CJ and yet they are 7th in the East.
Interesting enough is the Wiz’s surge in the east. Russ seems less interested in low efficiency scoring and dished out 24 assists last night. Russ truely focused on setting up others versus taking low efficiency shots could be a force.
Interesting enough is the Wiz’s surge in the east. Russ seems less interested in low efficiency scoring and dished out 24 assists last night. Russ truely focused on setting up others versus taking low efficiency shots could be a force.
Is there a ceiling though. Was there a formula with Steph Curry and the Warriors, or was that an anomaly like when the Pistons won without a star?
Portland has continuously had injury problems, but is there more to it when teams like Phoenix and Utah pass them up so easily with addition of traditional point guards.
Portland has continuously had injury problems, but is there more to it when teams like Phoenix and Utah pass them up so easily with addition of traditional point guards.
I've argued the same point about having to have the best player to win a championship. But how come that best player isn't usually a scoring PG? How do the Kings build this roster to compliment Fox so the team can be competitive, even when he's not playing out of his mind?
I'm not questioning or doubting Fox at all. I wonder what else is needed to push this team over the top, because there is already a lot of talent there.
I'm not questioning or doubting Fox at all. I wonder what else is needed to push this team over the top, because there is already a lot of talent there.
I can't be the only person who's wondered why no matter how much better Fox gets, the team win total doesn't change. I don't think it's Fox's fault. He's doing all he can and what the team is asking of him. But it's not working, so maybe there's a problem with the approach or philosophy of the team.
I think these are fair questions! I also think it’s fair to ask more of Fox, since he’s now going to be paid like a superstar, and while he had some all-league-level stretches he hasn’t been completely consistent there yet, especially earlier in this season.
But I agree there are bigger issues. For me, it’s hard to look past the league-worst defense. You can’t be the worst in the league in defense and expect to be any good. I wonder what the record would look like if they were even average?
But I agree there are bigger issues. For me, it’s hard to look past the league-worst defense. You can’t be the worst in the league in defense and expect to be any good. I wonder what the record would look like if they were even average?
bingo, it's pretty simple, they suck balls at defense. Remember when Mike Malone was here and the Kings played defense ? Their rotations were crisp, they communicated, they put in effort. I remember everyone making great rotations and playing sound defense, even the "low iq" players.
That's been non-existent since (though I'll be fair I've missed most of this season). I think they need a coach that can whip them into shape on the defensive end and that actually has great success getting teams to work hard and play good fundamental defense.
That's been non-existent since (though I'll be fair I've missed most of this season). I think they need a coach that can whip them into shape on the defensive end and that actually has great success getting teams to work hard and play good fundamental defense.
I'd argue it's because that situation is not tenable. In crunch time, Fox gets moved off ball quite often. Even in favor of Buddy Hield handling the ball. If your best scorer already has the ball, it's going to be iso time and the defense knows it. In order to run an actual play to free up the scorer, it's better that he starts without the ball.
Eventually Haliburton is going to takeover the traditional PG duties and Fox will be the scoring guard.
Eventually Haliburton is going to takeover the traditional PG duties and Fox will be the scoring guard.
Agree. And if you look at Kyrie Irving - he contributes substantially to wins on a good team. Not so good at making a bad team good.
But I think Haliburton negates some of the “score first pg” label for Fox. When they start together next year - the 1 and 2 positions are very fluid. So I don’t think the Kings will fit squarely into the box of teams run by a score first point guard because Tyrese is such a stellar playmaker.
But I think Haliburton negates some of the “score first pg” label for Fox. When they start together next year - the 1 and 2 positions are very fluid. So I don’t think the Kings will fit squarely into the box of teams run by a score first point guard because Tyrese is such a stellar playmaker.