The Marvin Bagley thread

[Livinthedream]

I believe Bags can develop his hoops IQ. He’s shown flashes, but it isn’t where any of us hope it would be 1.25 years in. To be fair, 1 year in, given his injury.

I have absolutely no faith that Buddy will develop his hoops IQ. He is our JR Smith—for better or worse.

Injury and change in coach and role. Bagley is almost starting over.

What makes Buddy great at shooting is that he has no conscious. Make him second guess himself and think and you take away his greatest asset. That being said, Buddy is making plays/passes that he wouldn't have made last year. Not sure those small gains are worth the cost.

 

[Kings_of_California]

Marvin "glass" Bagley. Sigh.

 

[VF21]

Injury and change in coach and role. Bagley is almost starting over.

What makes Buddy great at shooting is that he has no conscious. Make him second guess himself and think and you take away his greatest asset. That being said, Buddy is making plays/passes that he wouldn't have made last year. Not sure those small gains are worth the cost.

Those small gains sure weren't around tonight.

 

[Iced Espresso]

Marvin "glass" Bagley. Sigh.

 

[Kings_of_California]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1210444447302864897

 

[chief bromden]

The second coming of Nervous Pervis

 

[Sactown ExPat]

He’s falling short of a max contract trajectory. I expect thinly veiled shots at the medical staff are inbound.

 

[Joshoua]

Kobe Bryant did not pass out of the double team. He took a bunch of mid range jumpers. Most of them contested. High volume scorer. Was never a playmaker. Not a great team defender. Didn't play the passing lanes. Career 32% 3pt shooter. Couldn't crack the starting lineup his 1st 2 years. Teammates didn't like him. Just all around inefficient, poor teammate kinda player. Hall of famer too. Glad no one gave up on his potential.

lol

 

[Albatros]

Kobe Bryant did not pass out of the double team. He took a bunch of mid range jumpers. Most of them contested. High volume scorer. Was never a playmaker. Not a great team defender. Didn't play the passing lanes. Career 32% 3pt shooter. Couldn't crack the starting lineup his 1st 2 years. Teammates didn't like him. Just all around inefficient, poor teammate kinda player. Hall of famer too. Glad no one gave up on his potential.

Oh come on.

 

[Livinthedream]

Oh come on.

Where is the lie?

 

[Albatros]

Where is the lie?

No where.

I'm sure I'll be eating crow when Bagley is a multiple time finals MVP and one of the greatest players of all time.

 

[Livinthedream]

No where.

I'm sure I'll be eating crow when Bagley is a multiple time finals MVP and one of the greatest players of all time.

Nowhere in my mind am I envisioning a hall of famer. But it's too soon to say what Bagley's career will end up looking like.

 

[sergmatt]

Nowhere in my mind am I envisioning a hall of famer. But it's too soon to say what Bagley's career will end up looking like.

Well the guy they should have drafted appears to be on a trajectory of a hall of famer (if he can stay healthy). Bagley on the other hand maybe could be an all-star if he improves multiple areas of his game. I'd personally rather have the sure thing then go with the what if.....but that's just me.

 

[Livinthedream]

Well the guy they should have drafted appears to be on a trajectory of a hall of famer (if he can stay healthy). Bagley on the other hand maybe could be an all-star if he improves multiple areas of his game. I'd personally rather have the sure thing then go with the what if.....but that's just me.

Better discussion for the Luka thread. But no amount of whining is going to change the draft pick. So I don't see the point.

 

[Section 101]

Nowhere in my mind am I envisioning a hall of famer. But it's too soon to say what Bagley's career will end up looking like.

Sam Bowie

 

[sergmatt]

Better discussion for the Luka thread. But no amount of whining is going to change the draft pick. So I don't see the point.

Who said anything about [REDACTED], I was clearly talking about Mo Bamba.......

 

[Kings_of_California]

Sam Bowie

I think Sam Bowie is legitimately the best comp. My reasoning for this is that a lot of people don't understand that Sam Bowie was actually a good player. He just happened to have the misfortune of being picked before the GOAT.

Bagley could and should be good, but he'll always be remembered in the same vein as Bowie; overshadowed by generational talent.

I just hope the injury news is good.

 

[Section 101]

I think Sam Bowie is legitimately the best comp. My reasoning for this is that a lot of people don't understand that Sam Bowie was actually a good player. He just happened to have the misfortune of being picked before the GOAT.

Bagley could and should be good, but he'll always be remembered in the same vein as Bowie.

Bowie had injury issues his whole career too.

 

[Kings_of_California]

I can't find any update on his injury so far. In the game thread it was mentioned he felt a "pop". I need to know what happened.

 

[Section 101]

I can't find any update on his injury so far. In the game thread it was mentioned he felt a "pop". I need to know what happened.

Probably this afternoon. He needs an MRI.

 

[Bosnian Diehard]

I still think Bagley can become a multi-time All-Star. The biggest concern for me is his injuries.

 

[Livinthedream]

I still think Bagley can become a multi-time All-Star. The biggest concern for me is his injuries.

Will he do it in a Kings uniform?

 

[gunks]

I still think Bagley can become a multi-time All-Star. The biggest concern for me is his injuries.

Same.

The injury thing is a legit problem at this point. Dude is made of glass.

 

[NME]

Anytime last year he seemed to be getting into a groove, he got got hurt. Now, we're on two injuries this season, and he hasn't even approached how he looked in his best stretches last season.

 

[Bosnian Diehard]

Will he do it in a Kings uniform?

Not sure. If it was up to me I’d try to trade him now because I don’t believe in his health.

 

[Kings_of_California]

I've got next to zero faith now that he will ever stay healthy, and I HATE that feeling...the feeling of watching players but just waiting for the inevitable injury to occur.

I hope I'm dead wrong but it's trending into this direction.

 

[tyguy]

His injuries are masking how underwhelming he is as a player. It’s a perfect excuse for him and Vlade.

 

[Hoovtrain]

Anytime last year he seemed to be getting into a groove, he got got hurt. Now, we're on two injuries this season, and he hasn't even approached how he looked in his best stretches last season.

I’m a huge Bagley fan, but I can’t disagree with this

 

[BunkoBob]

Excuse for Vlade maybe but how can you blame a player for getting injured? It's not like the guy had a lengthy injury history in college ala Sam Bowie which Portland ignored when they drafted him.

 

[Gguod]

I wouldn’t call Kobe’s first couple years high IQ basketball, or even middling. A more normal “star” would be a guy like Shawn Kemp. Struggled early, but then led a team to the Finals. Obviously, not a basketball genius at his peak, but still. Our very own Chris Webber’s defense was...sporadic, early in his career. But, a precocious offensive genius from the start.
Chauncey Billups got traded his rookie season. I would argue KG became a much smarter player over his career, particularly defensively, but the analytics might show him as being sneaky good early, I’m not sure. If memory serves, he had decent block numbers, but struggled to really stop anybody in the paint. Different era, though.

Billups never had bbiq concerns, neither did Webber, or Kobe and especially not KG. Players develope and thats natural but that was not the topic of conversation to me. I was talking about developing from poor basketball iq to good basketball iq. It usually never happens especially when the player had those concerns from college through his second year in the NBA. To me thats why its reasonable to be concerned about Bagleys bbiq.

Imo its bigger than just "we are talking about a young kid here but carry on". To me its even unfair for the player to expect him to become some kind of statistical anomaly. He is what he has been hes whole career and IMO building him up to be something completely different is not fair.