Kings / Suns Game Thread

[TaxMan]

What have you seen from Bagley worth investing the second pick from the draft in?

well.... how about:

21 and 11, shooting 61% from the field, 40% from 3?
ACC player of the year
1st team all american
#1 ranked high school player
....etc....

Does that mean everything will automatically translate to the NBA? Of course not. There's plenty of examples of the college star failing in the pros. There are also many that were skeptical of him before the draft....However, it's not like they just plucked some bum off the street. Do I want to see more out of him? Of course! For just once, I want us to not be making excuses for our number one pick. However, lets give him a chance.

 

[63royals]

What have you seen from Bagley worth investing the second pick from the draft in?

And why is the standard my ability to rate players? There is not enough information yet to argue about this. I know this. You don't. I might even agree with you eventually, but it's too early to tell.

 

[Tetsujin]

well.... how about:

21 and 11, shooting 61% from the field, 40% from 3?
ACC player of the year
1st team all american
#1 ranked high school player
....etc....

Does that mean everything will automatically translate to the NBA? Of course not. There's plenty of examples of the college star failing in the pros. There are also many that were skeptical of him before the draft....However, it's not like they just plucked some bum off the street. Do I want to see more out of him? Of course! For just once, I want us to not be making excuses for our number one pick. However, lets give him a chance.

This. It's not like drafting Bagley was some sort of huge stretch where we randomly picked a guy slated for the late 20's with our 2nd overall pick. You might not agree with picking Bagley over Doncic but let's not act like Bagley was viewed as some sort of loser during the draft process.

 

[sactowndog]

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Danny Ainge once put together a godfather offer to try to draft Frank Kaminsky so let's not act like everything he touches is gold.

Not to mention Winslow

 

[Kingsfan23]

And why is the standard my ability to rate players? There is not enough information yet to argue about this. I know this. You don't. I might even agree with you eventually, but it's too early to tell.

According to you. I believe in first impressions, trajectories, probabilities

Why are Suns/Bulls/Mavs/Magic fans super excited about their picks?

Nobody knows what will happen tomorrow. Maybe Marvin starts beasting while the other rookies don’t. What we can go on is, it’s more likely than not that the player with the bad SL/first preseason who showed question marks against post-college competition will be the one who continues to underwhelm. We’re allowed then to not like the opening circumstances, as it’s a hugely important decision

You can always say “it’s too early.” You might be saying that after two/three years. Why would NBA writers even be offering any opinions at all then? Usually players follow trajectories, and fans are allowed to not like the trajectory Marvin is establishing

He is not doing his part. What he has shown through SL/1 preseason game could be confused with a standard flame out. He’s young, but he needs to show he has the fundamental capability of getting there, and show flashes. He has not. Not acceptable. He needs to start now for many of us

 

[dude12]

Here’s one more thing on Bagley, Doncic and other Kings.

And I remind that Doncic was the preferred pick for me followed by Bagley

I just don’t give a f*** how Doncic does this year.
Bagley is going to have some good moments (the block on Ayton was special)
Bagley is going to have some bad moments. Kid is very young, insanely athletic, needs to work on his craft but I’m a believer in him. He’s going to be alright but he needs time.
I loved the Yogi signing. That was a great low key move.
Fox is on a nice progression
Giles looks and plays like he’s special
Bogi, Hield, Skal.....these guys are working hard
There’s more to like
And I want to see the 4 big lineup again.....
And I don’t give a f*** what others say about Joerger and his staff. Let this guy see it through. He has these guys playing hard and fast.

But yeah, I don’t give a rats ass what Doncic does.

 

[The_Jamal]

What have you seen from Bagley worth investing the second pick from the draft in?

I'll throw it right back at you.

What have you seen to say Bagley ISN'T worth the #2 pick?

*Hint, this is a trick question. The answer to both should be nothing.

 

[Kingsfan23]

I'll throw it right back at you.

What have you seen to say Bagley ISN'T worth the #2 pick?

*Hint, this is a trick question. The answer to both should be nothing.

Nothing for you. Being terrible in a Kings uniform is enough for many. How you rate how a player looks against post college competition in that span of 5 games is subjective

I think, personally, if Vlade could change his pick as of this evening, he would, it’s fine if you don’t

This will go back and forth, but there will be a segment of fans who want him showing us quality flashes in good faith to believe in his future on the game threads.

 

[TaxMan]

Nothing for you. Being terrible in a Kings uniform is enough for many. How you rate how a player looks against post college competition in that span of 5 games is subjective

I think, personally, if Vlade could change his pick as of this evening, he would, it’s fine if you don’t

This will go back and forth, but there will be a segment of fans who want him showing us quality flashes in good faith to believe in his future on the game threads.

I'm all there with you....I want to see flashes. not crazy excited about what I'm seeing now, in particular lack of dominant rebounding in SL and now the preseason. I expected a tenacious guy that attacks every board. Perhaps its where they have him playing at this point, but I'm not seeing the nose for the ball yet.

All that said, he's young, not being put into great situations by our coaching staff, and it's only 1 freaking game into preseason. I'm absolutely willing to give him time....If he has a rookie season similar to Fox which shows flashes of superstar plays and steady improvement throughout the year, I'll be happy. I do find it strange that after the draft, there were two narratives in national media going on about him and the selection (both of which were digs at the pick): (i) he was the "safe" pick that was ready to put up "empty" stats, and (ii) he was raw and going to take time. It was strange to read such different takes in a number of articles. Feels like we are more likely in scenario ii, but hoping something starts to click with him at some point during the year that brings a lot of hope.

 

[Turgenev]

Why would NBA writers even be offering any opinions at all then?

I heard a rumour that they get paid to produce content?

 

[Kingsfan2002]

This. It's not like drafting Bagley was some sort of huge stretch where we randomly picked a guy slated for the late 20's with our 2nd overall pick. You might not agree with picking Bagley over Doncic but let's not act like Bagley was viewed as some sort of loser during the draft process.

Up to this year everything for Bagley came so easy. THATS A GREAT SIGN FOR A DRAFT PICK PEOPLE. He left high school early. Then posted historically great #'s in College. This is the first time in his entire life its going to be a challenge. What matters most at this point are.. his approach and seriousness to getting more skilled and being focused. Plus he's not out there claiming he's gonna be the next unicorn. lol!

So good news is that he's not delusional. By everyones account he's hard working and extremely focused. He's gonna need time to really just get a feel for the game. Im not worried for a second he's not gonna be great. Especially in todays NBA. Im already expecting his 3pt shot to be dialed in by year 3. That means 3 years from now. He will be 21. Fox will be 22. lol!

 

[Kingsfan2002]

Mason Plumblee just went 11-11 with 23 pts in a preseason game! maybe this is the time to trade washed up Bagley for him! Time to strike now before Bagley hurts his trade value anymore

 

[63royals]

According to you. I believe in first impressions, trajectories, probabilities

Why are Suns/Bulls/Mavs/Magic fans super excited about their picks?

Nobody knows what will happen tomorrow. Maybe Marvin starts beasting while the other rookies don’t. What we can go on is, it’s more likely than not that the player with the bad SL/first preseason who showed question marks against post-college competition will be the one who continues to underwhelm. We’re allowed then to not like the opening circumstances, as it’s a hugely important decision

You can always say “it’s too early.” You might be saying that after two/three years. Why would NBA writers even be offering any opinions at all then? Usually players follow trajectories, and fans are allowed to not like the trajectory Marvin is establishing

He is not doing his part. What he has shown through SL/1 preseason game could be confused with a standard flame out. He’s young, but he needs to show he has the fundamental capability of getting there, and show flashes. He has not. Not acceptable. He needs to start now for many of us

According to you. I believe in first impressions, trajectories, probabilities

Why are Suns/Bulls/Mavs/Magic fans super excited about their picks?

Nobody knows what will happen tomorrow. Maybe Marvin starts beasting while the other rookies don’t. What we can go on is, it’s more likely than not that the player with the bad SL/first preseason who showed question marks against post-college competition will be the one who continues to underwhelm. We’re allowed then to not like the opening circumstances, as it’s a hugely important decision

You can always say “it’s too early.” You might be saying that after two/three years. Why would NBA writers even be offering any opinions at all then? Usually players follow trajectories, and fans are allowed to not like the trajectory Marvin is establishing

He is not doing his part. What he has shown through SL/1 preseason game could be confused with a standard flame out. He’s young, but he needs to show he has the fundamental capability of getting there, and show flashes. He has not. Not acceptable. He needs to start now for many of us

If you want to talk about how none of the signs have looked good for Marvin so far, that's a perfectly reasonable discussion, and I generally agree with what you've said about what he hasn't done so far. I want to see a larger sample size before making any judgements about him, so I don't want to join in yet. What I object to is the people who want to proclaim him a bust for sure after 1 preseason game - that's just ridiculous.

 

[Turgenev]

What I object to is the people who want to proclaim him a bust for sure after 1 preseason game - that's just ridiculous.

In addition to the vacuum assessments you, I, and others must be tired of, it would be nice if there was less: 'SOMEBODIES GONNA GET FIRED' everytime he misses a jump shot.

Although clearly room to grow, there were several positives in the first preseason game. Nice to have such positives despite the clearly exploratory nature of the rotations.

 

[sactowndog]

Up to this year everything for Bagley came so easy. THATS A GREAT SIGN FOR A DRAFT PICK PEOPLE. He left high school early. Then posted historically great #'s in College. This is the first time in his entire life its going to be a challenge. What matters most at this point are.. his approach and seriousness to getting more skilled and being focused. Plus he's not out there claiming he's gonna be the next unicorn. lol!

So good news is that he's not delusional. By everyones account he's hard working and extremely focused. He's gonna need time to really just get a feel for the game. Im not worried for a second he's not gonna be great. Especially in todays NBA. Im already expecting his 3pt shot to be dialed in by year 3. That means 3 years from now. He will be 21. Fox will be 22. lol!

I have no idea how good Bagley will be but I see a couple qualities that give me hope...

1) he is very competitive. The block on Ayton in a game critical situation speaks to that.

2) he is a very hard worker. He is an acknowledged gym rat.

Now the open question is will he be coachable. Personally I hope he is Zach’s personal slave for the year.

 

[rhythmless]

So good news is that he's not delusional.

Bagley: I would say myself because that's the type of confidence I have. Not a lot of [rookies] do it, obviously, but if your dreams and goals aren't high, then you don't have nothing to work for. So I would say myself.

 

[Tetsujin]

Bagley: I would say myself because that's the type of confidence I have. Not a lot of [rookies] do it, obviously, but if your dreams and goals aren't high, then you don't have nothing to work for. So I would say myself.

To be fair, if he said the opposite, people would all be like “See?! Not an alpha dog! I’d rather my guy be too confident!”

 

[Dongoodboy]

Jaren Jackson and Bamba played well. We are managed to get to worst guy while picking at 2. I would like to see Vlade go after this season.

 

[Gguod]

Utter nonsense. "Obvious pick at #2" according to who? A bunch of guys on the Internet? None of whom have seen a single practice? As I said, if it was up to me, I would have gone for Doncic based on what I knew. But there are a lot of people who were actually much more well informed than me, and I'm willing to let them do their jobs and then see how it works out. And I don't throw Internet tantrums about how they chose the wrong player because either (A) they disagreed with me so they must be incompetent and should be fired, or (B) there's a sinister plot.

Anyone who, based on the small amount we've actually seen, thinks they know anything definitive about Bagley vs. Doncic, or the future of the Kings in general, is utterly clueless. There are plenty of places on the Internet where stuff like this is typical, and it's taken seriously. This, fortunately, isn't one of them.

Its 2018. World is full of film and statistical data to form your own opinion and analysts who evaluate these prospects. You ask why Doncic was obvious pick at #2? Most of the analysts that I respect had him either #1 or #2. Also by my own humble evaluations and all the statistical facts that ball handling offense creating wings are way more valuable than iffy defending bigs. Plus we already have three young players for the role Bagley should play and that is a position where its the easiest to find cheap talent on free agency.

Doncic being the obvious pick at #2 is definetly not "utter nonsence". We are not living in a stone age where its impossible for us to gather any information. I've always hated the argument that we have to give these GM's the benefit of the doubt because they have some magical title. Absolutely not. There is so much information out there and so much smart people analyzing that information. Its "utter nonsence" that we should have to give the blind benefit of the doubt every time. Maybe someone like Danny Ainge has earned some of that but especially for Kings fans, zero reasons for benefit of the doubt. During the draft season there was some fun statistic that compared Kings picks from recent years to the fan favourite picks and even an average Kings fan would've done a lot better job than Kings gm's.

And the Doncic vs Bagley discussion isnt definitive but that doesnt mean there cant be discussion. All I said was that Doncic was the obvious pick (as he was) and now we can see game by game, year by year how this folds out. Just because its not definitive, doesnt mean the discussion should stop. Since we are on a rebuild without franchise player (yet) and without our own '19 pick, that #2pick was very important to this franchise and its future. There is a lot riding on that pick. Conversation can and should continue.

Its 2018, if you want to define what should be taken seriously here and what not, you yourself probably should accept that Gm seeing couple of private practices doesnt mean that we cant form an educated opinion from all this player data, historical data, data on value of different types of skillsets, game film and bunch of analysts who evaluate these things themselves too ect.

 

[mac]

I'm all there with you....I want to see flashes. not crazy excited about what I'm seeing now, in particular lack of dominant rebounding in SL and now the preseason. I expected a tenacious guy that attacks every board. Perhaps its where they have him playing at this point, but I'm not seeing the nose for the ball yet.

All that said, he's young, not being put into great situations by our coaching staff, and it's only 1 freaking game into preseason. I'm absolutely willing to give him time....If he has a rookie season similar to Fox which shows flashes of superstar plays and steady improvement throughout the year, I'll be happy. I do find it strange that after the draft, there were two narratives in national media going on about him and the selection (both of which were digs at the pick): (i) he was the "safe" pick that was ready to put up "empty" stats, and (ii) he was raw and going to take time. It was strange to read such different takes in a number of articles. Feels like we are more likely in scenario ii, but hoping something starts to click with him at some point during the year that brings a lot of hope.

With regards to not being put in position by coaching staff though - that should not be the case ever. For the FO to pick Bagley over Doncic at #2 (the more obvious choice) there had to have been a plan of how they were going to fit Bagley in, and that's something that the coaches should be aligned with. If he's not being put in a position to succeed then the GM needs to fire the coach.

Obviously not something you determine after 1 preseason game, but if mid season Bagley looks bad and it's due to poor coaching then you darn well fire the coach. I'm sorry but you just don't wait 3-4 years on a #2 pick praying that the stars align for him to succeed.

 

[burekijogurt]

With regards to not being put in position by coaching staff though - that should not be the case ever. For the FO to pick Bagley over Doncic at #2 (the more obvious choice) there had to have been a plan of how they were going to fit Bagley in, and that's something that the coaches should be aligned with. If he's not being put in a position to succeed then the GM needs to fire the coach.

Obviously not something you determine after 1 preseason game, but if mid season Bagley looks bad and it's due to poor coaching then you darn well fire the coach. I'm sorry but you just don't wait 3-4 years on a #2 pick praying that the stars align for him to succeed.

speaking of coaching, Marvin Bagley retweeted this particular video that talks about coaches doing harm to their players by keeping them on a tight leash. trying to say something or just tweeting? :

https://twitter.com/statuses/1043642697200717824

 

[PHXSUNSFAN]

\


Danny Ainge once put together a godfather offer to try to draft Frank Kaminsky so let's not act like everything he touches is gold.

It was for Justise Winslow not Kaminsky.

 

[ESP47]

I'll throw it right back at you.

What have you seen to say Bagley ISN'T worth the #2 pick?

*Hint, this is a trick question. The answer to both should be nothing.

We normally agree on most things but I didn't think Bagley was worth the #2 pick before the draft even happened. I had him 5th or so on my board but I think I had him that high because I was buying into the hype from everyone else. I didn't see any real discernible skills other than motor, second jump, some open court ball handling and athleticism. His 3pt% was intriguing but his FT% made me think that it was probably just a fluke. His hooks looked out of control to me but they worked because a lot of the time he was being guarded by much smaller player. I saw a guy who was very successful due to things that more than likely wouldn't translate very well to the NBA.

So far through summer league and the first preseason game, he has no 1 on 1 game at all. You wouldn't even know he has the second jump. His athleticism hasn't translated because at this level you can't just be athletic, you need skills to go along with it. His rebounding has been extremely poor for a guy who a lot said could average 10rpg in the NBA if given the minutes. He was supposed to be a guy who could come in and put up double doubles semi consistently in his rookie year if given the minutes and we're finding out quickly that he's a huge project. He needs the guards to set him up for easy looks. To me, that's not a guy worthy of the #2 pick. Those guys can be found all throughout the draft.

Take all that and combine it with the way the NBA is headed, which is away from guys with Bagley's skill set, and you have a recipe for a bad pick at #2. Not to mention the redundancy of the pick with all the other big men that we have. I'm pulling for the guy as hard as anyone else but I'm not going to act surprised if he doesn't turn out to be worthy of the 2nd pick because I didn't think he was before he ever even set foot on the summer league court. The Kings double downed hard on a form of basketball that NBA teams are all moving away from....and it will fail miserably in the end.

 

[dude12]

From the team per either Christie or someone else, the Kings wanted an athletic quick big to go with the other quick bigs. Whether you agree with this or not, this is who they picked. They must have a vision on how it’s all going to work eventually. Sure they could have taken Doncic and they knew all about him and had dinner with him but they went in the other direction. Just going to have to wait for all of these guys to get experience and get better in a few years.

 

[Joshoua]

We normally agree on most things but I didn't think Bagley was worth the #2 pick before the draft even happened. I had him 5th or so on my board but I think I had him that high because I was buying into the hype from everyone else. I didn't see any real discernible skills other than motor, second jump, some open court ball handling and athleticism. His 3pt% was intriguing but his FT% made me think that it was probably just a fluke. His hooks looked out of control to me but they worked because a lot of the time he was being guarded by much smaller player. I saw a guy who was very successful due to things that more than likely wouldn't translate very well to the NBA.

So far through summer league and the first preseason game, he has no 1 on 1 game at all. You wouldn't even know he has the second jump. His athleticism hasn't translated because at this level you can't just be athletic, you need skills to go along with it. His rebounding has been extremely poor for a guy who a lot said could average 10rpg in the NBA if given the minutes. He was supposed to be a guy who could come in and put up double doubles semi consistently in his rookie year if given the minutes and we're finding out quickly that he's a huge project. He needs the guards to set him up for easy looks. To me, that's not a guy worthy of the #2 pick. Those guys can be found all throughout the draft.

Take all that and combine it with the way the NBA is headed, which is away from guys with Bagley's skill set, and you have a recipe for a bad pick at #2. Not to mention the redundancy of the pick with all the other big men that we have. I'm pulling for the guy as hard as anyone else but I'm not going to act surprised if he doesn't turn out to be worthy of the 2nd pick because I didn't think he was before he ever even set foot on the summer league court. The Kings double downed hard on a form of basketball that NBA teams are all moving away from....and it will fail miserably in the end.

Exactly! The nba game has gone away from the way Bagley plays unless he was playing center.

 

[John Galt]

Jeez it can be so frustrating reading this board at time.


People need to realize that we are in a full blown rebuild. The type that hasn't been attempted by many teams. This is a HIGHLY inexperienced and RAW team. By the very definition it WILL take TIME to get any decent production or consistency out of these guys. If you care to listen to coach Joerger, Vlade etc... they all talk in what we are aiming for in 2-3 YEARS time. Not here and not now.

People don't like the offense, don't like the rotations, don't like the minutes split and whatever else. You need to realize that all of that has to do with player development. If we are playing through bigs at the high post its a two pronged move, 1 because it provides a bit more spacing for Fox to get to the basket and 2 it is actually helping develop bigs in terms of reading the play, passing etc. It might not look pretty now, hell it might look like that it is not working but it is NOT about what it look like now but what it looks like in 2-3 years time.

Similarly, with the Bagley pick, agree with it or not (and there are plenty player homers around this place), it was made with the LONG TERM view in mind. Time will tell whether the pick works out or not in the long term but one thing this team absolutely needed to do with their draft pick is swing for the fences, go for the home run. They did that with the Bagley pick. Similarly to what they did with Fox the year before. If you wanted production straight out of the gates then you draft Dennis Smith Jr. or Donovan Mitchell. We went on potential and who we think could be the best player to come out of the draft.

I haven't got a problem with any of this. It might not work out but the thinking and logic behind the moves is there. I don't really care if Bagley is better than Doncic in his rookie season. I care if Bagley is a better player than Doncic in 4-5 years time and at the end of their respective careers. There is a huge difference there. As Kings fans we of all people should know what it feels like to see Tyreke Evans winning ROY over Steph Curry with his historic 20/5/5 season, only to see him regress every season since then while Curry blows up into a future Hall of Famer, MVP, perennial All-Star type of player.

Now I am not saying that Bagley will be better than Doncic. I haven't got a crystal ball, if I did I would be buying a lottery tickets now. What I am saying is that people should quit jumping at shadows and let this thing ride out. It will take time and it won't happen over night but to me its refreshing to see the franchise FINALLY take a long term view and commit to it rather than trying to make a quick fix move that saw us waste an opportunity with Cousins by continually surrounding him with quick fix pieces and shipping out any pieces of value in the process.

All I care about is that these kids have a great work ethic, continually work on their game, have great chemistry, fight to the end in every game...even if you are getting blown out by 30. Eventually, work will pay of, development will be evident, the kids will get more comfortable and better at basketball and by addition of these things become better basketball team. I think there is a fair bit of talent on this team that needs development and experience. There will be a lot of experimenting over the next couple of seasons but eventually things will click.

Amazingly well said. Whenever I post on this topic I'm trying to post this. 100!

 

[John Galt]

Number 2 picks are not generally franchise savers like people seem to think. It's not "par" for the #2 pick to turn around your franchise. It's exceptional. And that's even after waiting a few years.

People have WAY WAY too much on Bagley's shoulders right now.


2017 Lonzo Ball, UCLA – Los Angeles Lakers
2016 Brandon Ingram, Duke – Los Angeles Lakers
2015 D’Angelo Russell, Ohio State – Los Angeles Lakers
2014 Jabari Parker, Duke – Milwaukee Bucks
2013 Victor Oladipo, Indiana – Orlando Magic
2012 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Kentucky – Charlotte Bobcats
2011 Derrick Williams, Arizona – Minnesota Timberwolves
2010 Evan Turner, Ohio State – Philadelphia 76ers
2009 Hasheem Thabeet, Connecticut – Memphis Grizzlies
2008 Michael Beasley, Kansas State – Miami HEAT
2007 Kevin Durant, Texas – Seattle Supersonics
2006 LaMarcus Aldridge, Texas – Chicago Bulls (Draft rights traded to Portland Trail Blazers)
2005 Marvin Williams, North Carolina – Atlanta Hawks
2004 Emeka Okafor, Connecticut – Charlotte Bobcats
2003 Darko Milicic, Serbia & Montenegro – Detroit Pistons
2002 Jay Williams, Duke – Chicago Bulls
2001 Tyson Chandler, Dominguez HS (Calif.) – L.A. Clippers (Draft rights traded to Chicago Bulls)
2000 Stromile Swift, LSU – Vancouver Grizzlies


Go Kings!

 

[sactowndog]

It was for Justise Winslow not Kaminsky.

Jaren Jackson and Bamba played well. We are managed to get to worst guy while picking at 2. I would like to see Vlade go after this season.

And you know that after 1 preseason game how?

 

[Kingsfan23]

Number 2 picks are not generally franchise savers like people seem to think. It's not "par" for the #2 pick to turn around your franchise. It's exceptional. And that's even after waiting a few years.

People have WAY WAY too much on Bagley's shoulders right now.


2017 Lonzo Ball, UCLA – Los Angeles Lakers
2016 Brandon Ingram, Duke – Los Angeles Lakers
2015 D’Angelo Russell, Ohio State – Los Angeles Lakers
2014 Jabari Parker, Duke – Milwaukee Bucks
2013 Victor Oladipo, Indiana – Orlando Magic
2012 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Kentucky – Charlotte Bobcats
2011 Derrick Williams, Arizona – Minnesota Timberwolves
2010 Evan Turner, Ohio State – Philadelphia 76ers
2009 Hasheem Thabeet, Connecticut – Memphis Grizzlies
2008 Michael Beasley, Kansas State – Miami HEAT
2007 Kevin Durant, Texas – Seattle Supersonics
2006 LaMarcus Aldridge, Texas – Chicago Bulls (Draft rights traded to Portland Trail Blazers)
2005 Marvin Williams, North Carolina – Atlanta Hawks
2004 Emeka Okafor, Connecticut – Charlotte Bobcats
2003 Darko Milicic, Serbia & Montenegro – Detroit Pistons
2002 Jay Williams, Duke – Chicago Bulls
2001 Tyson Chandler, Dominguez HS (Calif.) – L.A. Clippers (Draft rights traded to Chicago Bulls)
2000 Stromile Swift, LSU – Vancouver Grizzlies


Go Kings!

I understand, but it would hurt more if the consensus pick who we were “supposed” to go with was a stud and/or it was a great draft and most of the other top picks were good (Jackson/Doncic/Bamba/Carter all showing good things)

 

[Livinthedream]

Number 2 picks are not generally franchise savers like people seem to think. It's not "par" for the #2 pick to turn around your franchise. It's exceptional. And that's even after waiting a few years.

People have WAY WAY too much on Bagley's shoulders right now.


2017 Lonzo Ball, UCLA – Los Angeles Lakers
2016 Brandon Ingram, Duke – Los Angeles Lakers
2015 D’Angelo Russell, Ohio State – Los Angeles Lakers
2014 Jabari Parker, Duke – Milwaukee Bucks
2013 Victor Oladipo, Indiana – Orlando Magic
2012 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Kentucky – Charlotte Bobcats
2011 Derrick Williams, Arizona – Minnesota Timberwolves
2010 Evan Turner, Ohio State – Philadelphia 76ers
2009 Hasheem Thabeet, Connecticut – Memphis Grizzlies
2008 Michael Beasley, Kansas State – Miami HEAT
2007 Kevin Durant, Texas – Seattle Supersonics
2006 LaMarcus Aldridge, Texas – Chicago Bulls (Draft rights traded to Portland Trail Blazers)
2005 Marvin Williams, North Carolina – Atlanta Hawks
2004 Emeka Okafor, Connecticut – Charlotte Bobcats
2003 Darko Milicic, Serbia & Montenegro – Detroit Pistons
2002 Jay Williams, Duke – Chicago Bulls
2001 Tyson Chandler, Dominguez HS (Calif.) – L.A. Clippers (Draft rights traded to Chicago Bulls)
2000 Stromile Swift, LSU – Vancouver Grizzlies


Go Kings!

The thing is, it isn't even about Bagley. It's a tired segment of the fan base that wanted one player that they didn't get and are upset with the front office and ownership. Bagley is taking all of the punishment because of it. It's too bad. This will have an impact one way or another on his career.