Peja named Assistant GM

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saw no thread created....I'm surprised. I guess every former King from the glory days will be employed by the Kings sooner or later. I would ask what qualifies Peja as a GM but then I look at who the GM is and I hold back. Thoughts?

http://www.nba.com/article/2018/05/09/sacramento-kings-peja-stojakovic-assistant-gm
eh, I always knew he had a major role in the FO second to Vlade.

Anything this FO does just flies over my head now. I don't know how I feel about former Kings players taking over the FO. I don't think they're qualified for the job, and if they fail, I'll resent them. I already find myself massively disliking Vlade as the GM, and that distorts how I feel about him in general. I hate this because I loved him as a player.

I still think the Kings need a more experienced person on board somewhere in the FO. Just so Vlade won't have any "yes men" which was a big problem with MJ in Charlotte. I don't sense that as a problem now, and it's not something I'm worried about though.
 
#3
So pretty much, he's taking on Mike Bratz's role in addition to what he was already doing.

For Peja, sounds like he's stretched pretty thin across responsibilities and equally, we're back to a thin front office. Also question his expertise in scouting, player development programs and overall management, but hey, he gets to develop on the job.

Starting to theorize that Bratz got the axe for poor draft selections plus Kings finances mandating a thinner FO. Honestly, I'd love for my speculation to be put to bed with a comparative analysis of our front office staffing vs. other winning organizations, because I just don't trust the folks in charge on the business side.
 

kingsboi

Hall of Famer
#6
Could be cronyism, could be he actually deserves the FO promotion.

Hard to give this FO the benefit of the doubt at this point.
I don't know about you, but it seems to me that these promotions happen a little faster than usual...or maybe that's just my line of thinking?
 
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I was gonna start a thread and then figured why bother. I pretty much knew what the tone/tenor of the discussion would be.
Be of gd cheer, there are plenty of us that feel the front office has done wonders which leads us to have a great deal of respect for what they do including this promotion. Too often they are credited with conspiracies that don’t exist.
 
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the title doesnt really change anything. Its a real who cares moment. We have two other assistant GMs who for me are much more valuable and i hope are doing more to assist Vlade.

Whether or not Peja deserves this or its just Vlade taking him for the ride is a moot point.

I will rue the day that we lost Scott Perry to the Knicks, solidifying us in mediocrity. Fans dont put enough stock in that, but it was a real big moment in this franchise's recent history.
 

pdxKingsFan

So Ordinary That It's Truly Quite Extraordinary
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#10
I would guess it's more of giving an official title to what he was already doing but hey let's get angry about it because that's what we do.

In my previous position, there were close to a dozen Assistant and Associate Deans of the school. I tend not to see "assistant" as more than a merit badge at this point. It certainly doesn't mean he's second in command.
 

kingsboi

Hall of Famer
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the title doesnt really change anything. Its a real who cares moment. We have two other assistant GMs who for me are much more valuable and i hope are doing more to assist Vlade.

Whether or not Peja deserves this or its just Vlade taking him for the ride is a moot point.

I will rue the day that we lost Scott Perry to the Knicks, solidifying us in mediocrity. Fans dont put enough stock in that, but it was a real big moment in this franchise's recent history.
the Kings aren't even mediocre, they haven't been since the Ron Ron days
 
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Be of gd cheer, there are plenty of us that feel the front office has done wonders which leads us to have a great deal of respect for what they do including this promotion. Too often they are credited with conspiracies that don’t exist.
conspiracies like what? This FO has been given excuses after excuses by some fans. Horrible trades, horrible draft picks, horrible FA signings, and what else more? Philly trade is still one of the worst I've ever seen. Papagiannis and Malachi are basically waived after 1 year. George Hill was signed to a 20mpy deal which was ridiculously more than any other team would've given him. Or how about Randolph's contract? No other team in the NBA would even give a 36yearold more than the vet min.

What conspiracies did I make up?
 

Kingster

Hall of Famer
#14
I'd say after this draft and at the end of next season we'll have a pretty good idea of the competence of those who judge talent in this organization. So far, everything has been done on faith, not facts. (There is no track record of people in this organization concerning talent evaluation, and that was my primary beef with the Divac hire). Pretty soon we'll have enough facts to make a sound judgement.
 
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conspiracies like what? This FO has been given excuses after excuses by some fans. Horrible trades, horrible draft picks, horrible FA signings, and what else more? Philly trade is still one of the worst I've ever seen. Papagiannis and Malachi are basically waived after 1 year. George Hill was signed to a 20mpy deal which was ridiculously more than any other team would've given him. Or how about Randolph's contract? No other team in the NBA would even give a 36yearold more than the vet min.

What conspiracies did I make up?
I don’t see any conspiracies in your list, just judgements that are, in total, way out. I like his drafts, his FA picke, his trades. Besides that, I like him, I like his judgement, and the talent he has surrounded himself with. Other than that, he is just a tall guy from Serbia.
 

gunks

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I don't know about you, but it seems to me that these promotions happen a little faster than usual...or maybe that's just my line of thinking?
We do seem to have a lot of turn around in our FO, but I dunno if it happens with any more, or less, frequency than in other FOs around the league.

I'm wary of the move, admittedly just because it's Peja. If it was somebody I'd never heard of, I wouldn't even think twice about it. But he may be totally deserving of the promotion. We'll see what happens this summer and beyond.
 
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conspiracies like what? This FO has been given excuses after excuses by some fans. Horrible trades, horrible draft picks, horrible FA signings, and what else more? Philly trade is still one of the worst I've ever seen. Papagiannis and Malachi are basically waived after 1 year. George Hill was signed to a 20mpy deal which was ridiculously more than any other team would've given him. Or how about Randolph's contract? No other team in the NBA would even give a 36yearold more than the vet min.

What conspiracies did I make up?
Agree wholeheartedly and the list goes on and on.
 
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Best GM in the league is arguably Danny Ainge.....question, wth "qualified" him for that gig?
Pretty sure there is a long list of GM amd front office roles filled by former players and not muc qualifies them..Billups rumored to be GM of the Pistons...how is he qualified but not Vlade or Peja?

Heres one reason why....they been around the game at the highest levels, played against the type of players they are evaluating, know what it takes to be successful and how much work goes in etc. They've seen bad teams up front and good teams. Seen many players with loads of potential bust and might have more insight into the why's than most people. They know what chemistry means and have plenty of real experience in every aspect of being a professional basketball player. They have credibility with the players themselves. The list can go on but my point is there IS a LOT of real value, especially in scouting and drafting, in having former players in those positions. Its not the end all be all ot the only way to be successful, but id say it is a big help.

AND a BIG factor is when those competitive driven people have a personal connection to our dog of a franchise, and actually really care about improving it, they WILL work their tail off to figure out how to make that happen.
Scott Perry is a perfect example here. He had no loyalty to the Kings. We were just a bus stop on the way to bigger things. He wasnt invested in turing the Kings around. He wpuld have dumped us the first time something prettier came along which is exactly what he did.

That siad, im not enamored with Vlade so far. I think he has made a number of mistakes. BUT ibthink he is improving and i do believe he is bringing in the right type of players to be successful. The FUTURE is brighter than its been in YEARS. Id do a number of different things, but i can appreciate the overall direction the franchise is headed, and lets remember how GOD AWEFUL thing were here before Vlade. It's not like he inherited a decent situation...he has basically been trying to mold something nice out of a ball of s***.
 
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Best GM in the league is arguably Danny Ainge.....question, wth "qualified" him for that gig?
Pretty sure there is a long list of GM amd front office roles filled by former players and not muc qualifies them..Billups rumored to be GM of the Pistons...how is he qualified but not Vlade or Peja?

Heres one reason why....they been around the game at the highest levels, played against the type of players they are evaluating, know what it takes to be successful and how much work goes in etc. They've seen bad teams up front and good teams. Seen many players with loads of potential bust and might have more insight into the why's than most people. They know what chemistry means and have plenty of real experience in every aspect of being a professional basketball player. They have credibility with the players themselves. The list can go on but my point is there IS a LOT of real value, especially in scouting and drafting, in having former players in those positions. Its not the end all be all ot the only way to be successful, but id say it is a big help.

AND a BIG factor is when those competitive driven people have a personal connection to our dog of a franchise, and actually really care about improving it, they WILL work their tail off to figure out how to make that happen.
Scott Perry is a perfect example here. He had no loyalty to the Kings. We were just a bus stop on the way to bigger things. He wasnt invested in turing the Kings around. He wpuld have dumped us the first time something prettier came along which is exactly what he did.

That siad, im not enamored with Vlade so far. I think he has made a number of mistakes. BUT ibthink he is improving and i do believe he is bringing in the right type of players to be successful. The FUTURE is brighter than its been in YEARS. Id do a number of different things, but i can appreciate the overall direction the franchise is headed, and lets remember how GOD AWEFUL thing were here before Vlade. It's not like he inherited a decent situation...he has basically been trying to mold something nice out of a ball of s***.
I think we have 3 NBA valued players...let's say starters. I'm not saying all-stars but players. We might be able to add one more-Giles-but when was the last time he actually played meaningful minutes. So we might not be able to add him. 3 players only and you can't do much with that. Therefore, I look at Vlade and wonder why we are having to "I think he is improving" when there are some GM's that know how to do it.. ala Petrie in his day.. Sam Presti, Danny Ferry anybody?
 
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I think we have 3 NBA valued players...let's say starters. I'm not saying all-stars but players. We might be able to add one more-Giles-but when was the last time he actually played meaningful minutes. So we might not be able to add him. 3 players only and you can't do much with that. Therefore, I look at Vlade and wonder why we are having to "I think he is improving" when there are some GM's that know how to do it.. ala Petrie in his day.. Sam Presti, Danny Ferry anybody?
Danny Ferry? Presti? who lost Durant for nothing and Harden for scraps? He squandered a hand of pocket Aces. Petrie? Jason thompson, Hawes, Jimmer, Trob and Bmac? You want that guy back?

Vlade is at best a middling GM at this point. No argumrnt there. Ive hated a number of his moves. BUT some are good. He turned an atrocious and toxic roster onto a young, fun, youthful and joyfull young team. You said only 3 players NBA players? Please. WCS is an NBA player at the least. Koufus and Temple are not THAT overpaid. Fox and Buddy have lots of promise Bogdan, his beat move yet and clear win. Justen Jackson will at least be a backup SF. Giles cpuld be a star. AND as much as i disliked signing Hill and ZBO they were only short contracts. Look at our cap for next offseason. Vlade knew enough not to undcuff us the next 5+ years with long drals. That is HUGE. There at sooooo many teams whos ceiling is capped because crappy Gms knew they better go all in NOW and made big contract offers to middling players..Portland, Washington, Toronto, Cavs etc.
And lets not forget Joeger. That was a massive Coup to go along with flecing phx for Bogdan.
I could go on, being high and a few dranks makes me ramble, but Vlade IMO is not a lost cause. Just the facg that him, Vivek and Joeger seem to have good chemistry along with the front office they are building is also largely underestimated. Vlade so far is a FOUNDAATION builder and next will build the house on that SOLID floor
 
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Danny Ferry? Presti? who lost Durant for nothing and Harden for scraps? He squandered a hand of pocket Aces. Petrie? Jason thompson, Hawes, Jimmer, Trob and Bmac? You want that guy back?

Vlade is at best a middling GM at this point. No argumrnt there. Ive hated a number of his moves. BUT some are good. He turned an atrocious and toxic roster onto a young, fun, youthful and joyfull young team. You said only 3 players NBA players? Please. WCS is an NBA player at the least. Koufus and Temple are not THAT overpaid. Fox and Buddy have lots of promise Bogdan, his beat move yet and clear win. Justen Jackson will at least be a backup SF. Giles cpuld be a star. AND as much as i disliked signing Hill and ZBO they were only short contracts. Look at our cap for next offseason. Vlade knew enough not to undcuff us the next 5+ years with long drals. That is HUGE. There at sooooo many teams whos ceiling is capped because crappy Gms knew they better go all in NOW and made big contract offers to middling players..Portland, Washington, Toronto, Cavs etc.
And lets not forget Joeger. That was a massive Coup to go along with flecing phx for Bogdan.
I could go on, being high and a few dranks makes me ramble, but Vlade IMO is not a lost cause. Just the facg that him, Vivek and Joeger seem to have good chemistry along with the front office they are building is also largely underestimated. Vlade so far is a FOUNDAATION builder and next will build the house on that SOLID floor
Just don’t take people who criticize Vlade that much too serious. He made a mistake with the Philadelphia pick but since than he’s done a very good job.

And to add to your Presti take don’t forget he traded Oladipo/Sabonis for a year rental of PG13. and was dumb enough to trade for the pile of crap I think he goes by Carmelo now.

Like you said Vlade has given us a lot of young talent to go on with that’s a good enough job for me
 
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Danny Ferry? Presti? who lost Durant for nothing and Harden for scraps? He squandered a hand of pocket Aces. Petrie? Jason thompson, Hawes, Jimmer, Trob and Bmac? You want that guy back?

Vlade is at best a middling GM at this point. No argumrnt there. Ive hated a number of his moves. BUT some are good. He turned an atrocious and toxic roster onto a young, fun, youthful and joyfull young team. You said only 3 players NBA players? Please. WCS is an NBA player at the least. Koufus and Temple are not THAT overpaid. Fox and Buddy have lots of promise Bogdan, his beat move yet and clear win. Justen Jackson will at least be a backup SF. Giles cpuld be a star. AND as much as i disliked signing Hill and ZBO they were only short contracts. Look at our cap for next offseason. Vlade knew enough not to undcuff us the next 5+ years with long drals. That is HUGE. There at sooooo many teams whos ceiling is capped because crappy Gms knew they better go all in NOW and made big contract offers to middling players..Portland, Washington, Toronto, Cavs etc.
And lets not forget Joeger. That was a massive Coup to go along with flecing phx for Bogdan.
I could go on, being high and a few dranks makes me ramble, but Vlade IMO is not a lost cause. Just the facg that him, Vivek and Joeger seem to have good chemistry along with the front office they are building is also largely underestimated. Vlade so far is a FOUNDAATION builder and next will build the house on that SOLID floor
"I think he's improving." "Vlade is at best a middling GM" Is this all we are worth as Kings fans.

Yes, I would rather have Petrie back. I don't need to remind you that going out the door, he suggested picking the Greak Freak. And the Jimmer selection sounded very fishy to me, as if the Maloofs said you must pick him and at the same time pick up a small forward.

Is 27 wins funs to watch?

You know what I mean, we are crap. Vlade has put together a roster that is crap. WCS yes is an NBA player and so if Koufus and Temple-how many wins did we get again?

He's to know the market for Boogie and not take less than the market was going to give him. He gave the Lakers-what 5 minutes to make a deal or not...not giving enough time for the actual owner to get involved to make the deal. And he didn't let all the other teams in the NBA know that he was shopping him. And of course, he pounced on Karl for saying the Kings should trade Boogie, and stating publicly and directly to Boogie that he wouldn't be traded. Yet, less than a year after Karl left, he was traded.

Presti's know how-although rocky for the NBA to hear-in rebuilding a team works. Accordingly, many teams "Tank" each year to facilitate. Let's see as they made it past the first round this year. Seems that Philly is in a better place than we are don't you think?

Don't you think the Kings were tanking by sitting ZBO. So we are tanking just not as well as other Tankers.

I suggested long ago, to use your available cap space to take on bad contracts with draft choices. Combine the picks to move down to get a really good draft choice. Instead, we get ZBO, Vince Carter, and George Hill-who now is Shumpert who is owed 11 million next year and the Kings just wish he would go away.

This is Vlade's job. He is to know that the trend is the 3 pointer and not the slow plodding center in the paint-Papa G. He is to know, that the combo of Rondo, Rudy, Boogie, and George Karl will not work. Instead, he sets us back big time.

Am I supposed to be impressed by the Coach's record hear?
Justin Jackson -a good back up-
malichi-gone
Giles-hasn't played a minute
Shumpert-Kings want him gone
WCS, Koufos, Temple- 27 wins
ZBO, Vince Carter, how is that helping develop your team.
 
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"I think he's improving." "Vlade is at best a middling GM" Is this all we are worth as Kings fans.

Yes, I would rather have Petrie back. I don't need to remind you that going out the door, he suggested picking the Greak Freak. And the Jimmer selection sounded very fishy to me, as if the Maloofs said you must pick him and at the same time pick up a small forward.

Is 27 wins funs to watch?

You know what I mean, we are crap. Vlade has put together a roster that is crap. WCS yes is an NBA player and so if Koufus and Temple-how many wins did we get again?

He's to know the market for Boogie and not take less than the market was going to give him. He gave the Lakers-what 5 minutes to make a deal or not...not giving enough time for the actual owner to get involved to make the deal. And he didn't let all the other teams in the NBA know that he was shopping him. And of course, he pounced on Karl for saying the Kings should trade Boogie, and stating publicly and directly to Boogie that he wouldn't be traded. Yet, less than a year after Karl left, he was traded.

Presti's know how-although rocky for the NBA to hear-in rebuilding a team works. Accordingly, many teams "Tank" each year to facilitate. Let's see as they made it past the first round this year. Seems that Philly is in a better place than we are don't you think?

Don't you think the Kings were tanking by sitting ZBO. So we are tanking just not as well as other Tankers.

I suggested long ago, to use your available cap space to take on bad contracts with draft choices. Combine the picks to move down to get a really good draft choice. Instead, we get ZBO, Vince Carter, and George Hill-who now is Shumpert who is owed 11 million next year and the Kings just wish he would go away.

This is Vlade's job. He is to know that the trend is the 3 pointer and not the slow plodding center in the paint-Papa G. He is to know, that the combo of Rondo, Rudy, Boogie, and George Karl will not work. Instead, he sets us back big time.

Am I supposed to be impressed by the Coach's record hear?
Justin Jackson -a good back up-
malichi-gone
Giles-hasn't played a minute
Shumpert-Kings want him gone
WCS, Koufos, Temple- 27 wins
ZBO, Vince Carter, how is that helping develop your team.
Remember, we pretty much just finished the 2nd season under Vlade. Also, you give Petrie some slack because of the Maloof influence, yet the Vivek the "meddler" isnt playing a role in the Bad Vlade category? That Vivek seems t have been reined in and accepted a background role can be considered another coup by Vlade. That takes a deft touch to get an owner to back off while not putting yourself in the crosshairs next. Petrie couldnt do that with the Maloofs did he?
Remember the toxic toxic environment Vlade walked into. Infighting was rampant up and down the organization from the players, coaches and management. If Clade just went full Hinkie it arguably could have been like tossing gas onto your house when its on fire.
Vlades approach first and foremost was stability! Had to deal with all the toxic sewage in the organization, and in hindsight, in just 2 seasons id say he has accomplished that. Thats no small feat when its organizationlly wide sewage and backstabbing with a long history of said corporate culture of backstabbing and infighting. That is HUGE. We would never have a chance at success without that first. I think that was absolutely the right priority to put number 1. Build the Foundatuon!

And our roster? Putrid outside Cousins. BUT it was clear with Couaons we needed to be competitive ASAP or mentally he would have been a nightmare for everyone around him. So we got the infamous philly trade. It looks worse in hindsight because all the paths it could have helped failed, but i can see the logic there. It was taking a xhance at having some success with Cousins.

Petire and the Greek freek myth is not truatworthy. Petrie put that out there much later, after it was alreaxy known that Giannis was a gem, and after he felt snubbed by new ownership. With his shoestring budget where he couldn't even scout Trob, we are suppose to believe he was all over Giaanis half a wprld away playing in some obscure euro leagues? I dont buy it. When the massive preventable fail that was Trob is your pick over Lillard Barnes Drummond you loose all your cred.

I agree with you with how you wanted the cap space used. Thats my biggest grip. I wanted to trade it for cap relief and a draft pick. Vlade felt it made more sense to use it on role model vets. Given the recent history, im not going to kill him for tbis approach. I was also very critical of this seasons win total. Im pissed we are not top 5 and that Bogs wasnt sgut down earlier to prevent his injury. But the other side of the coin, while a different approach, at least makea some sense, even tjough its not what you or me would have played our hand.
 
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This is Vlade's job. He is to know that the trend is the 3 pointer and not the slow plodding center in the paint-Papa G. He is to know, that the combo of Rondo, Rudy, Boogie, and George Karl will not work. Instead, he sets us back big time.

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Vlade parts ways with Rondo Rudy and Cousins and Karl is shirt order, BUT you rhink this was accidental? You think Vlade doesnt understand the 3pt shot is important, but puts a high value on Buddy and Bogs? Remember Belineli signing, the pursuit of Mathews, and Hill where 3pt shooting is all a forte of those guys. He dumps Papa G in a year but you dont think Vlade recognized Papa G wasnt going to work in todays game? And why would we draft Mason and sign Nigel if 3pt shooting wasnt a priority? The pick of JJ iver OG was because Jackson projected as a better 3pt shooter.
 
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I think this team will perform much better next year than people expect. Our number 2 pick ;), Giles, maybe some summer tweaks (trades/pickups/FAs), and continued growth of our young players in a stable, positive environment created by the FO and the coaching staff, will produce a better product. If the Kings are still searching for identity while losing games at the end of next season, then this experiment has failed. If they look like an up and coming team then the FO should countinue...
 

gunks

Hall of Famer
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I think that when one considers Vlade's impact as GM around these parts, that atrocious Philly trade remains his defining moment, because we're still haunted by it.

Last draft the pick swap cost us Tatum, who we were apparently high on. Tatum is a far better player than Fox now, and has just as much upside (if not more). Next draft, when Philly gets our pick outright, who knows who we'll miss out on.

As mentioned, he also bungled the Cuz trade.

But despite it all, we still aren't in a terrible place for this rebuild.

Vlade has gotten us a good young core, and I like the cap flexibility. If one of Fox or Giles breaks out as a star, we'll already have an awesome supporting cast around them. Picking 7 isn't as sexy as picking top 3, but this draft has a pretty deep and interchangeable tier of players from 4-10, so it's not all bad.

Next season is make or break for Vlade. If the kids improve and we make some strides towards the playoffs, he's a hero. If we are still around 30 wins, he could very likely be fired.
 

Capt. Factorial

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Last draft the pick swap cost us Tatum, who we were apparently high on.
I'm not 100% sure on that. It sounds to me like Boston was pretty targeted in on Tatum to begin with. So, barring us coughing up another high first-round pick (that we didn't have) to jump from 3 to 1, Boston probably just takes Tatum. Then the Lakers stick with Ball and we..well, I guess best case the way it's looking right now, best case we take Fox.
 

gunks

Hall of Famer
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I'm not 100% sure on that. It sounds to me like Boston was pretty targeted in on Tatum to begin with. So, barring us coughing up another high first-round pick (that we didn't have) to jump from 3 to 1, Boston probably just takes Tatum. Then the Lakers stick with Ball and we..well, I guess best case the way it's looking right now, best case we take Fox.
Or Fultz, but yeah... you caught me in a brain fart! I forgot that Boston had the 1st pick outright, not the 3rd.