The Positives

#31
Skal is a weird one because he has elite touch, length and athleticism but his feel for the game is below average. He is a good weapon to put alongside Fox/Bogdan though. Apparently he didn't play organized ball till much later than most so I'm hoping his basketball IQ can grow to at least average.

Yup... picked up the game late and missed 2 years of HS ball. He is a baby to the game and it shows. We really won't see the player he will become for a few years. You can't teach that touch or that athleticism. I'm really high on him. Did you guys catch that crossover to jumper last night? Haven't seen that from him before.
 
#32
Anyone with eyeballs can see that the top 4 prospects on this team right now are probably Fox, Buddy, Bogdan, and Skal. They have to be able to play at the same time for this to work to full effectiveness. If they can't then Vlade has some work to do.
And why cant they all play atvthe same time?
 
#34
I love watching this team. The game goes by fast. So much fun to see these guys play. The Suns came out and played super in the first quarter. We weathered the storm and almost stole the game. Give it some time. I am really excited for the young talent we have.
 
#37
Skal is a weird one because he has elite touch, length and athleticism but his feel for the game is below average. He is a good weapon to put alongside Fox/Bogdan though. Apparently he didn't play organized ball till much later than most so I'm hoping his basketball IQ can grow to at least average.
I personally think Skal has all star potential with the right team around him, if he can put it all together. I think Fox has HOF potential, and that it's more likely than not.
 
#40
And why cant they all play atvthe same time?
Because the coach won't let them? I think he has to discover if they can, because we don't for sure know yet and that's the point.

Right now Dave Joeger is teetering on a scary line of platoon rotation play as he kind of hinted at in preseason. He will lose his team coaching that way if it continues too far into the season, and no individual will be able to stand out in the interim. As the season wears on we need to see players break into the +30 mpg category. Giving your best prospects 25 mpg a night won't cut it, take the baby gloves off and tighten up that rotation Dave. There is still time for that.
 
#41
Positives: Fox's entire game, Bogie's play making and shooting abilities, Skal's elite offensive game, Hield playing elite defense (against the Suns though).
I enjoyed watching Buddy play defense in Q3. But you know what? That was an out-of-control kind of defense that normally gets a player fouled out in about 5 min. I doubt we'll see that again from Buddy, meaning wild D with similar positive results.
 

VF21

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#42
...Small sample size, but Joerger is going to be forced to start Fox if he keeps this play up.
What makes you think he'll have "to be forced to start Fox"? How can you know if that's not his plan all along? I'm just confused because some people make it sound like Joerger has no ideas of starting Fox at any point in the future and I don't think that can be shown one way or the other, especially after 3 games.
 
#43
Really? Over Fox? You must be pretty high on him.
Skal has really grown onto me. The reason why I'd have him as the most likely franchise player is because of his potential. He's an athletic 6'11 PF with a 7'2 wingspan. Skal's not super fast, but he runs the floor with very well with his light feet. On top of that, he's a very explosive leaper with, or without space. He can play above the rim. He's got one of the best mid-range jumpers in the NBA. He releases at such a high apex that it becomes extremely hard to contest. Just off of those two skillsets, he becomes a very good pick player. You can run Skal in the PnR where he can finish above the rim. OR you can run him in the PnP where he can make the jumper. He's quicky developing as a 3pt shooter, although not comfortable yet. It should be a big part of his game 2-3 years from now.
As a post-up player, he still needs to get stronger, but he shows a lot of potential here with different moves.
  • Turn around jumper
  • Fade away shots
  • Hook shots
Where he really excels is facing up. He can out-right catch and shoot, but he's got the quickness to put the ball on the floor and attack. He often finishes with his jump stop hook. Other times, he pivots from post up to face up, vise versa. This is where he does his spin around fading jumpshot (often known as the dream shake). He's got great footwork. He's also comfortable with finishing with either hand around the rim. He's got really soft touch.
On defense, he's a giant work in progress, but he's got the length and quickness to be able to defend PFs and help out in the perimeter. He just needs the strength, discipline, and IQ now.

He's got the highest potential of anyone on this team. On offense, he's got an amazing wide-range of skillsets. However, his biggest problem is his mental and physical rawness(self explanatory). His basketball IQ is still a work in progress. The NBA is still too fast for him right now, so he often gets lost on both ends. If he's able to mentally put it together on the court and develop a scoring mentality, he'll become a franchise player. With all of this being said, I don't have any expectations or pressures on Skal to become a franchise player. I just think he would be our most likely candidate of all the guys on the roster. He's got a long road before becoming good NBA player.
 

VF21

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#44
He's got the highest potential of anyone on this team. On offense, he's got an amazing wide-range of skillsets. However, his biggest problem is his mental and physical rawness(self explanatory). His basketball IQ is still a work in progress. The NBA is still too fast for him right now, so he often gets lost on both ends. If he's able to mentally put it together on the court and develop a scoring mentality, he'll become a franchise player. With all of this being said, I don't have any expectations or pressures on Skal to become a franchise player. I just think he would be our most likely candidate of all the guys on the roster. He's got a long road before becoming good NBA player.
I think he might have the potential to have the most potential on the team, if that makes sense. I'm not sure right now what DeFox's potential is, but it's right up there. Bottom line? How cool is it to have MULTIPLE players whose "future is so bright they need to wear shades"?
 
#45
What makes you think he'll have "to be forced to start Fox"? How can you know if that's not his plan all along? I'm just confused because some people make it sound like Joerger has no ideas of starting Fox at any point in the future and I don't think that can be shown one way or the other, especially after 3 games.
Well I can't speak for Joerger, but when we signed Hill, I was under the impression he'd be the starter for a year at least. Hill is very good, and I don't think he came here to play off the bench.

You could always try sliding him to the 2. But that would create a big mess with Buddy and Bogs coming off the bench.
 
#46
Skal has really grown onto me. The reason why I'd have him as the most likely franchise player is because of his potential. He's an athletic 6'11 PF with a 7'2 wingspan. Skal's not super fast, but he runs the floor with very well with his light feet. On top of that, he's a very explosive leaper with, or without space. He can play above the rim. He's got one of the best mid-range jumpers in the NBA. He releases at such a high apex that it becomes extremely hard to contest. Just off of those two skillsets, he becomes a very good pick player. You can run Skal in the PnR where he can finish above the rim. OR you can run him in the PnP where he can make the jumper. He's quicky developing as a 3pt shooter, although not comfortable yet. It should be a big part of his game 2-3 years from now.
As a post-up player, he still needs to get stronger, but he shows a lot of potential here with different moves.
  • Turn around jumper
  • Fade away shots
  • Hook shots
Where he really excels is facing up. He can out-right catch and shoot, but he's got the quickness to put the ball on the floor and attack. He often finishes with his jump stop hook. Other times, he pivots from post up to face up, vise versa. This is where he does his spin around fading jumpshot (often known as the dream shake). He's got great footwork. He's also comfortable with finishing with either hand around the rim. He's got really soft touch.
On defense, he's a giant work in progress, but he's got the length and quickness to be able to defend PFs and help out in the perimeter. He just needs the strength, discipline, and IQ now.

He's got the highest potential of anyone on this team. On offense, he's got an amazing wide-range of skillsets. However, his biggest problem is his mental and physical rawness(self explanatory). His basketball IQ is still a work in progress. The NBA is still too fast for him right now, so he often gets lost on both ends. If he's able to mentally put it together on the court and develop a scoring mentality, he'll become a franchise player. With all of this being said, I don't have any expectations or pressures on Skal to become a franchise player. I just think he would be our most likely candidate of all the guys on the roster. He's got a long road before becoming good NBA player.
Nice write up.

People should keep in mind he's played 1/3 of an NBA season. Sat almost all of last year. In baseball terms, he's a still a rookie.
 
#47
Well I can't speak for Joerger, but when we signed Hill, I was under the impression he'd be the starter for a year at least. Hill is very good, and I don't think he came here to play off the bench.

You could always try sliding him to the 2. But that would create a big mess with Buddy and Bogs coming off the bench.
We've had 3 pgs on the floor for stretches: Fox, Mason, and Hill. The "shooting guard" is a dying position. NBA starting 5 is moving to something like: 2 guards who can both play lead guard, 1 /2 wings (who can shoot), and 1-2 big men (who can shoot). There are basically 3 positions in basketball now. Guard, wing, big. And they all have to have an outside shot now.
 
#48
We've had 3 pgs on the floor for stretches: Fox, Mason, and Hill. The "shooting guard" is a dying position. NBA starting 5 is moving to something like: 2 guards who can both play lead guard, 1 /2 wings (who can shoot), and 1-2 big men (who can shoot). There are basically 3 positions in basketball now. Guard, wing, big. And they all have to have an outside shot now.
I agree, you can even change guard to ball handler and wing player to swing player
 
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#49
Skal has really grown onto me. The reason why I'd have him as the most likely franchise player is because of his potential. He's an athletic 6'11 PF with a 7'2 wingspan. Skal's not super fast, but he runs the floor with very well with his light feet. On top of that, he's a very explosive leaper with, or without space. He can play above the rim. He's got one of the best mid-range jumpers in the NBA. He releases at such a high apex that it becomes extremely hard to contest. Just off of those two skillsets, he becomes a very good pick player. You can run Skal in the PnR where he can finish above the rim. OR you can run him in the PnP where he can make the jumper. He's quicky developing as a 3pt shooter, although not comfortable yet. It should be a big part of his game 2-3 years from now.
As a post-up player, he still needs to get stronger, but he shows a lot of potential here with different moves.
  • Turn around jumper
  • Fade away shots
  • Hook shots
Where he really excels is facing up. He can out-right catch and shoot, but he's got the quickness to put the ball on the floor and attack. He often finishes with his jump stop hook. Other times, he pivots from post up to face up, vise versa. This is where he does his spin around fading jumpshot (often known as the dream shake). He's got great footwork. He's also comfortable with finishing with either hand around the rim. He's got really soft touch.
On defense, he's a giant work in progress, but he's got the length and quickness to be able to defend PFs and help out in the perimeter. He just needs the strength, discipline, and IQ now.

He's got the highest potential of anyone on this team. On offense, he's got an amazing wide-range of skillsets. However, his biggest problem is his mental and physical rawness(self explanatory). His basketball IQ is still a work in progress. The NBA is still too fast for him right now, so he often gets lost on both ends. If he's able to mentally put it together on the court and develop a scoring mentality, he'll become a franchise player. With all of this being said, I don't have any expectations or pressures on Skal to become a franchise player. I just think he would be our most likely candidate of all the guys on the roster. He's got a long road before becoming good NBA player.
I agree with your assessment except for your conclusion that Skal has the "highest potential of anyone on this team." Fox and Bogie offers equally bright lights for the future.
 
#50
Cant forget about Giles from all we have heard. The praise from anyone who has seen him in practice means we should expect to see something special as well. Aslo, WCS has all the tools (like Skal) but shares the same weakess of BbIQ, strength, and mental part. While his ceiling is lower, lota of upside still there to be unlocked with a few level ups.
 
#52
Cant forget about Giles from all we have heard. The praise from anyone who has seen him in practice means we should expect to see something special as well. Aslo, WCS has all the tools (like Skal) but shares the same weakess of BbIQ, strength, and mental part. While his ceiling is lower, lota of upside still there to be unlocked with a few level ups.
Where are you hearing this? Do you have any links
 

Kingster

Hall of Famer
#53
Regarding Giles, I've kept my expectations for him in check because of his injuries and youth. But yesterday after listening to Napier, who has talked to several people about him, my in-check expectations are starting to get unleashed. Napier actually said that the scouts he's talked to said that if you think Fox has the "wow" factor, wait until you see Giles. He's at another higher level. Yikes!
 
#55
I agree with the above comments. The old guys look tired already and we have just started.

Let's talk about rebounding for a minute. It really takes two things, position and desire. It takes work. First you have to stop your man from getting to the ball. It is so fundamental it gets overlooked. If Willie is going to stick around he needs to become the Kings leading rebounder. Four is his typical number. Koufus is much better at it. Willie needs to average 10 or more and he better get with the program. He is supposed to be a great defender. Skal is really average at rebounding also. How can guys that long and mobile get beat to the ball so often? Lack of desire is the only answer. They need Dennis Rodman training.

The first three positions on the Kings are playing defense at a high level already. They are good at loose balls, steals and long rebounds.
Right at this moment it seems like the Kings future rests on the shoulders of Willie and Skal. Their play will determine how far the team can get.
Buddy seems to lack confidence. It is in his head because he has plenty of skill.
I look forward to Willie have a bust out game and get meaner. He has done it before.
If Giles can stay healthy he could be a difference maker. Some guys do not have bodies that can take the endless pounding of the NBA.
 
#56
No links, just been hearing this from Doug Christie jams ham and other kings media that have been around and watched practices. Keep hearing the c webb comparison again and again.
Regarding Giles, I've kept my expectations for him in check because of his injuries and youth. But yesterday after listening to Napier, who has talked to several people about him, my in-check expectations are starting to get unleashed. Napier actually said that the scouts he's talked to said that if you think Fox has the "wow" factor, wait until you see Giles. He's at another higher level. Yikes!
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Don’t tease me like this even if he’s giving us 20-25mpg behind Skal/WCS
 

SLAB

Hall of Famer
#59
Regarding Giles, I've kept my expectations for him in check because of his injuries and youth. But yesterday after listening to Napier, who has talked to several people about him, my in-check expectations are starting to get unleashed. Napier actually said that the scouts he's talked to said that if you think Fox has the "wow" factor, wait until you see Giles. He's at another higher level. Yikes!
I want so badly for that to be true.

But I can't take a single word that comes out of the red gremlin's mouth seriously.