Trade deadline approaching for Kings

upinsmoke · Feb 8, 2017

Can't sleep I had that dream again and it looks like this.

Carmelo Anthony waives his NTC (but wait upinsmoke he'll never waive that to play in Sac) Yes he will and here's why, it comes with a 15% trade kicker.

In return the knicks get a huge salary dump in
Afflalo, Mclemore, and Gay even if he opts in its money saved.

Where's the zzzquil?

KingsFanGER · Feb 8, 2017

I would like the FO to continue to try to assemble a team of scrappy, defensive minded players around DMC. I also would love a couple more players, who are vocal and have a strong personality and aren't afraid to get in DMC face.

Boston wants to add another big. Right now they have trouble rebounding the ball and lack rim protection. With the 76ers and Pels seeming to be involved in trade talks around Okafor the chances of Boston getting Noel are decreasing. So Koufos, who is a fringe starter in this league, but certainly a good rebounder and a decent rim protector, might be an option for Boston. KK is locked into a very teamfriendly deal until 2019, further inceasing his trade value. Right now Boston pays Tyler Zeller the same amount of money that we pay KK. Boston also has a lottery pick this year, which will maybe be spend on another guard, because it might be the best player available (most mock drafts list guards as the top prospects in 2017). That makes their future guard rotation very crowded with IT, Bradley, Smart, Rozier, Jackson and a possible lottery pick. Smart can play as an offguard, but his shooting hurts him in this role.

So I would try to propose a KK+DC+Papagiannis or Labissiere for Smart and Zeller+Olynyk or another expiring trade to Boston. This allows Boston to fix their weak big man situation, while also giving them the chance to go with the best player available in the 2017 draft. Obviously it would hurt their perimeter defense, but Rozier and Brown allow them to compensate the loss of Smart a bit and KK would improve their interior defense and their rebounding, giving them a more balanced roster overall. Papagiannis gives them a center prospect or LAbissiere a PF prospect, which both fit Stevens idea of a strech offense in theory and which can be groomed over the next 3 years into KK successors.

SAC gives an ill fitting starter, an expiring average PG and a promising big man prospect to aquire the defensive PG with leadership qualities they need. Smart in SAC would be able to play solely PG, which he does pretty well and his defense alongside Temple would be a big part of taking a roster around DMC to the next level. He already is one of the more vocal players on the Celtics and is purely about making winning plays. He won't get bullied and he will hold his teammates accountable in every proper or even inproper way necessary. IF we keep our 2017 pick, we might use it to further solidify our PG rotation.

In the offseason SAC would have the chance to go after two RFA to round out the starting unit of scrappers and defenders - Jamychal Green and Jonathon Simmons. Obviously Green will be a top tier FA, but maybe we can use Joerger to convince him to come to SAC. Simmons is a signing similar to Temple. I think we would have a very decent chance, if we contact him early in FA and agree to give him a quality long term deal.

A starting unit of

Smart/Temple/Simmons/Green around DMC would be one of the best defensive units of the league, able to take some pressure of DMC in the pick&roll defense, because every perimeter guy is an extremely physical and aggressive defender able to chase people around and over screens or to deny them the ball. 4 out of 5 starters would be solid from the 3 point line. All guys would be in their athletic prime and would be able to grow together over the next 3 to 4 years.
We could try to keep Lawson as another playmaker or try to sign a back up PG, who is a good shooter. Willie would be our backup center or first big off the bench. Tolliver and Barnes would be two guys further contributing to the tough culuture we want to build. Afflalo would be cut. Gay would hopefully opt out to get a longterm deal elsewhere. I would love to keep Casspi to give us a bigger option at SF off the bench along with another good shooter.

Maybe this isn't all that realistic, but I would love to watch these guys go to battle with Joerger as a coach.

Smart/low key FA PG or Lawson/ possible 2017 pick
Temple/Malachi/Bogdanovic
Simmons/Casspi/Barnes
Green/Tolliver/Labissiere (if not part of the trade)
DMC/Willie/Papagiannis (if not part of the trade)

CelticsFan · Feb 8, 2017

KingsFanGER said:

I would like the FO to continue to try to assemble a team of scrappy, defensive minded players around DMC. I also would love a couple more players, who are vocal and have a strong personality and aren't afraid to get in DMC face.

Boston wants to add another big. Right now they have trouble rebounding the ball and lack rim protection. With the 76ers and Pels seeming to be involved in trade talks around Okafor the chances of Boston getting Noel are decreasing. So Koufos, who is a fringe starter in this league, but certainly a good rebounder and a decent rim protector, might be an option for Boston. KK is locked into a very teamfriendly deal until 2019, further inceasing his trade value. Right now Boston pays Tyler Zeller the same amount of money that we pay KK. Boston also has a lottery pick this year, which will maybe be spend on another guard, because it might be the best player available (most mock drafts list guards as the top prospects in 2017). That makes their future guard rotation very crowded with IT, Bradley, Smart, Rozier, Jackson and a possible lottery pick. Smart can play as an offguard, but his shooting hurts him in this role.

So I would try to propose a KK+DC+Papagiannis or Labissiere for Smart and Zeller+Olynyk or another expiring trade to Boston. This allows Boston to fix their weak big man situation, while also giving them the chance to go with the best player available in the 2017 draft. Obviously it would hurt their perimeter defense, but Rozier and Brown allow them to compensate the loss of Smart a bit and KK would improve their interior defense and their rebounding, giving them a more balanced roster overall. Papagiannis gives them a center prospect or LAbissiere a PF prospect, which both fit Stevens idea of a strech offense in theory and which can be groomed over the next 3 years into KK successors.

SAC gives an ill fitting starter, an expiring average PG and a promising big man prospect to aquire the defensive PG with leadership qualities they need. Smart in SAC would be able to play solely PG, which he does pretty well and his defense alongside Temple would be a big part of taking a roster around DMC to the next level. He already is one of the more vocal players on the Celtics and is purely about making winning plays. He won't get bullied and he will hold his teammates accountable in every proper or even inproper way necessary. IF we keep our 2017 pick, we might use it to further solidify our PG rotation.

In the offseason SAC would have the chance to go after two RFA to round out the starting unit of scrappers and defenders - Jamychal Green and Jonathon Simmons. Obviously Green will be a top tier FA, but maybe we can use Joerger to convince him to come to SAC. Simmons is a signing similar to Temple. I think we would have a very decent chance, if we contact him early in FA and agree to give him a quality long term deal.

A starting unit of

Smart/Temple/Simmons/Green around DMC would be one of the best defensive units of the league, able to take some pressure of DMC in the pick&roll defense, because every perimeter guy is an extremely physical and aggressive defender able to chase people around and over screens or to deny them the ball. 4 out of 5 starters would be solid from the 3 point line. All guys would be in their athletic prime and would be able to grow together over the next 3 to 4 years.
We could try to keep Lawson as another playmaker or try to sign a back up PG, who is a good shooter. Willie would be our backup center or first big off the bench. Tolliver and Barnes would be two guys further contributing to the tough culuture we want to build. Afflalo would be cut. Gay would hopefully opt out to get a longterm deal elsewhere. I would love to keep Casspi to give us a bigger option at SF off the bench along with another good shooter.

Maybe this isn't all that realistic, but I would love to watch these guys go to battle with Joerger as a coach.

Smart/low key FA PG or Lawson/ possible 2017 pick
Temple/Malachi/Bogdanovic
Simmons/Casspi/Barnes
Green/Tolliver/Labissiere (if not part of the trade)
DMC/Willie/Papagiannis (if not part of the trade)

Just my opinion but I don't think the Celtics even consider that trade. To me Kufos doesn't have much value, it will be exciting to see what he really brings back. Is a contender going to give up a core piece for a back up big? IMO I wouldn't give much more then a second round pick and a guy like James Young. The rumored trade of Okafor is a lottery protected first and a bad contract for Okafor, it would be surprising to see Kufos bring back more then Okafor.

Smart is playing 30.7 mpg on the second best team in the East. I don't think they move a piece like that for a backup player. When it comes to the sweeteners of Skal and Papa I don't see how they really fit. Celtics drafted both Zizic and Yabusele in the first round last year, they are stashed now but both expect to be in the NBA next year.

Smart may be moved and if he is it will be for a impact player not a backup player. Kufos is a nice role player but I don't think teams are going to be lining up for him at the deadline.

KingsCitizen · Feb 8, 2017

Wolves just signed Lance and Lavine is out the rest of the season.
Maybe Vlade can get his boy from Serbia Bjelica plus Rubio for Affalo/McLemore.

Ben can still suit the TWolves youth movement while Affalo would some vet stop gap and more sane the Lance.
We get Rubio and ship Collison for another trade right after.

Second that trade with DC\KK for MKG of Hornets

Kings end up with

DMC/WCS/Papa
Bjelica/Tolliver/Skal
MKG/Barnes/Omri/Gay
Malachi/Temple
Rubio/Lawson

Minutes for Bjelica andMalachi well balance the perimeter offense liability of Rubio and MKG.
With Rubio and MKG, defense would be the least of our problem in this case.

A vet playmaker like Rubio would ease up the team play transition as well.

CelticsFan · Feb 8, 2017

KingsCitizen said:

I'm either way undervaluing our players or most on this site are overvaluing our players. Why on earth would the Hornets want DC and KK for a 23 year old MKG? I'm not saying MKG is great but DC is expiring and KK is a back up big. MKG is their starting SF? Why give him up for two career role players? MKG's still has potential DC and KK are what they are. If we think WCS still has potential think about what the Hornets think about MKG. They are both the same age 23.

Why do the Wolves give up a real asset in Rubio for Ben who may be out of the league soon and a disappointing, aging, declining player in Affalo. When other GM's are in trade talks with us do people think they are really clamoring after KK, DC, Ben or Affalo? Why do we think guys that aren't good on our team are going to bring back such a nice haul?

When the Wolves are talking to other teams about moving a guy like Rubio for example, is what we can give really the best offer? Wouldn't you think the Wolves would be better off keeping Rubio then giving him away for disappointing players?

If Vlade scores a really nice player for any of our assets I will be first to praise him. I hope posters that have high hopes at the deadline hold Vlade accountable if no big moves are made. Posters that value our assets as high as they do they should expect Vlade to make a big splash. IMO Vlade needs to trade for under the radar players that aren't valued high around the league that he thinks may be a diamond in the rough.

Maybe I'm totally wrong I guess we will see in a few weeks

KingsFanGER · Feb 8, 2017

CelticsFan said:

Well the Celtics are starting Amir Johnson right now and frankly speaking Kosta Koufos is just a better player than Johnson now.
Kosta Koufos is one of the best backup bigs in the league and on a great deal. He certainly is an impact player. The Lakers just payed Mozgov 64 millions and Koufos isn't worse than Mozgov. Young, who is basically worthless and out of the league and a 2nd rounder makes me think, you are actually mocking me.

The rumored value for Okafor is heavily influenced by the 76ers overall roster situation. The 76ers need to get rid of one of their bigs. Every team knows it and of course they will lowball them. On top of that Okafor is perchieved as a bad defender and most teams trade for bigs in order to get better defensively. The Pels are one of the very few landing spots for Okafor that make a little bit of sense, because AD is a great defender and can play around Okafor in the post on offense.
Kosta on the other hand is a very serviceable defender and much closer to what teams actually seek from their big man than Okafor.

I'm a big fan of Smart, but his value shouldn't be all that high. After all he is a guard, who can't shoot. For most teams he is not a starter, because they want their offense to come from the guard and wing positions, so I don't think teams will send back starter material in order to get him. And one of Smart or Rozier will be the odd man out next year, when the Celtics keep their draft pick. They might play it safe and keep Smart until their rookie has proven he belongs, but at this point Smart would have lost a lot of value, because all teams would know, that he isn't needed by the Celtics anymore.
What's for sure right now is, that Tristan Thompson would abuse the current Celtics roster on the boards. In the two meetings versus the Cavs this year he had 3 and 4 offensive boards with the Celtics getting outrebounded 46 to 29 and 42 to 39 (with Horford not playing and Bradley and Zeller both pulling down 10 rebounds). The Celtics desperately need help on the boards even against the lower tier Playoff teams in the East. Drummond dominated the boards versus the Celtics. Even though the Celtics currently lead the season series 2-1, you can't be satisfied with the way they played against Detroit.
They won't get enough help on the board just by packacking some of their expirings together, because these guys just aren't quality players. So it comes down to draft picks, a young player or a core piece.
Most draft experts claim, that this draft might have quite a few star guards in the lottery. So giving up the pick or giving up Smart shouldn't be a debate.
Would Rozier net you a quality defensive big? I don't think so. Rozier is a backup PG at best and his low salary makes him difficult to trade for an impact player.

CelticsFan · Feb 8, 2017

No doubt Celtics get killed on the boards. I think Amir is a better player then KK but say he isn't is he that much of an upgrade to move a player playing 30 minutes on your team? I do think the Celtics probably value Smart higher then most around the league. If you look at the box scores it's not that impressive but he make winning plays and the Celtics play him at the 1,2,3 and 4 at times.

Again maybe I'm wrong, I do hope the Kings get a ton for KK I just don't see it. If KK is a guy you think has a lot of value please speak up if he doesn't get traded or gets move for a lesser package.

KingsFanGER · Feb 8, 2017

A guy the Celtics could and should target is Jusuf Nurkic, but once again the Nuggest don't need Smart nor Rozier.

CelticsFan · Feb 8, 2017

KingsFanGER said:

I agree, I would love to see that.

CelticsFan · Feb 8, 2017

Kingsfanger see the stats below. The point is Celtics are looking for an upgrade Koufos wouldn't be that and you would have to give up something too. Do you think Amir has the same amount of value around the league as KK? I would say so but unfortunately I don't think Amir has much value.

KingsFanGER · Feb 8, 2017

CelticsFan said:

Well I watched almost every Celtic game this season, so I do know, who Smart is. I understand, why you value him highly. And I want him on the Kings, because I value him very highly myself.

Amir Johnson isn't close to Koufos right now. He was better a few years ago, but his body just seems to have broken down. Take a look at ESPN's list of player by position and name the guys probably available, that are better than Kosta Koufos. There aren't many and even Nurkic isn't better right now - he just has the potential to become a better player in the future.
No matter how highly I value Marcus Smart he is still a flawed player. He lacks the skill everyone and their mom seek nowadays, when talking about guards. This is not a small issue. It limits Smart's value for teams. Actually I do think only teams with a stellar offensive guard or a great playmaking big with an outside shot, can get away with playing Smart for extended minutes. The teams with great guards don't need Smart. And there just aren't many teams with great offensive bigs.

CelticsFan · Feb 8, 2017

KingsFanGER said:

Well I watched almost every Celtic game this season, so I do know, who Smart is. I understand, why you value him highly. And I want him on the Kings, because I value him very highly myself.

Amir Johnson isn't close to Koufos right now. He was better a few years ago, but his body just seems to have broken down. Take a look at ESPN's list of player by position and name the guys probably available, that are better than Kosta Koufos. There aren't many and even Nurkic isn't better right now - he just has the potential to become a better player in the future.
No matter how highly I value Marcus Smart he is still a flawed player. He lacks the skill everyone and their mom seek nowadays, when talking about guards. This is not a small issue. It limits Smart's value for teams. Actually I do think only teams with a stellar offensive guard or a great playmaking big with an outside shot, can get away with playing Smart for extended minutes. The teams with great guards don't need Smart. And there just aren't many teams with great offensive bigs.

I agree that the Celtics value Smart more then others around the league, that's why I don't think they move him for a backup big. If he's moved I think they package him with other players/picks for a major piece.

KingsCitizen · Feb 8, 2017

CelticsFan said:

Even if my proposal may not happen like 95% of all trade proposal here, I'll respond just to show that I don't pull this out from a random monkey.

First of Charlotte just shipped 2 Center for PF (though Plum can play C mostly). That's what KK is for. The MKG part is because they already have Batum. Once they unload MKG's contract for expiring like Collison, they can easily get a new player next season. And Kemba is really an undersized SG.

Next, if Rubio is really a nice asset, he would have been trade right before January even started. The guy has been on the market for months. So you don't start an offer with high price if you don't see any competition around. If it gets rejected, then that's when the negotiations starts.

KingsFanGER · Feb 8, 2017

CelticsFan said:

Ugh I hate stats and I hate you for forcing me to look through all that boring charts.

Now Koufos is ranked 59 in TReb% in the 2016/17 season, while playing most of his minutes next to one of the best rebounders. Amir Johnson is ranked 123 while playing next to one of the worst rebounding bigs, when we only take stars into account. The difference in TReb% between KK and Amir is basically the same than between KK and Zbo or Vucevic. You know I have almost no clue, what I'm talking about, but this sounds pretty harsh.
Just from watching the games I personally think KK moves way better than Amir, does a better job clogging the lane and provides a decent presence in the paint, which Amir sadly doesn't anymore. On top of that KK has a body that enables him to hold his ground against the really big guys like Drummond, who give Horford and Amir a lot of trouble.

KingsFanGER · Feb 8, 2017

CelticsFan said:

A major piece would make sense for the Celtics. But it doesn't seem like anything is available right now. Assuming the teams currently in the playoff hunt stay put and don't blow it up, I have a hard time thinking of a major impact big, that might be available. That basically would mean, that the Celtics just head into the Playoffs with a glaring hole in their roster and hope they can fix it in FA or via a trade in the offseason. Problem with an offseason trade is, that they only have 9 players under contract next season, of whom 3 are young guys without much value. Aside from core players and draft picks there isn't much the Celtics can offer. Keeping the current core together might prove really tough.
They probably just try to pry Noel away from Philly by giving him the max. Would make a lot of sense. I doubt Philly is dumb enough to let that happen though.

CelticsFan · Feb 8, 2017

The good news KingsFanGer is if KK is traded at the deadline we both will know what his actual value is. The truth is obviously neither of us know and we can only speculate.

dude12 · Feb 8, 2017

Koufos does have value....just have to put it into perspective. DC has value...to the right team because of the expiring contract or because of his ability to make shots......value to playoff teams looking for that late push. Cleveland could use him. Surround him on that second unit of Cleveland with someone who can run offense. He's got value to certain teams who may not want to go with some young guy in playoff crunch time.....so there is some value there.

KingsFanGER · Feb 8, 2017

CelticsFan said:

Actually we will only know, what value the current Kings FO was able to get back in a KK trade, which eventually will give all those wonderful people on this board another chance to roast them.

You see what I did there. I precautionary built a valid defense against all your "I told you so claims" when KK actually doesn't bring anything of value back. Hah smart me.......

CelticsFan · Feb 8, 2017

dude12 said:

Sorry when I say no value I should rephrase it as little value. I'm being opened minded what would be a good return from the Cavs for DC? Remember they don't own a 2017 or 2019 pick which means they can't give their 2018 or 2020 pick. I have been wrong before maybe I'm missing something or not looking at it the correct way

CelticsFan · Feb 8, 2017

It was reported that the Rockets where dangling Brewer for KK at one point. I don't consider Brewer of much value, as a matter a fact I would rather have KK. Is Brewer good value for KK? It's possible I'm misreading talent

206Fan · Feb 8, 2017

CelticsFan said:

lol there's a reason why the Kings didn't do it. Remember the rumors of Fab Melo+Jared Sullinger+Avery Bradley for Cousins a few years ago? yea.....

CelticsFan said:

I don't know if the Hornets do it after trading for Plumlee, but maybe. MKG, as young as he is, the only thing he provides is defense and rebounding. With Cody Zeller out, the Hornets really need another big. If they're aiming for playoffs, they'll also need another ball handler who can score. Their backup PG Ramon Sessions is out for 4-6 weeks. While short, Walker-DC could play together.
If the Hornets are looking for a playoff push, then I think they do the trade. It makes sense on their end.

At SF, they have Batum. At SG, they have Lamb and Belinelli. Trading MKG might hurt their youth, but it'll definitely make them better now.

CelticsFan · Feb 8, 2017

Zeller is coming back any day now and is their starter. You guys are convincing me maybe I misvalue players, maybe I should get excited. If DC, KK and Ben have the value of getting back young players with high potential Vlade better pull the trigger. DC, KK and Ben have no future in Sac, no need to hang on to them. I guess maybe KK will be around but I dont consider him part of the core.

Do your magic Vlade, seems like most believe Kings have the pieces to make moves now lets see what Vlade ends up with.

twslam07 · Feb 8, 2017

CelticsFan said:

The Rockets are more than likely going to have to attach their 1st to get out of Brewer's contract, and the Rockets were interested in Koufos when they had big men injuries. They are likely not interested in him anymore with Capela, Nene, Anderson, & Harrell at PF/C. The deal would have to be ...

HOU Gets: Brewer & HOU '17 1st
HOU Gives: Top 55 protected 2nd

SAC Gets: Brewer, HOU '17 1st, & '17 2nd
SAC Gives: Kosta Koufos & Top 55 protected 2nd

Team X Gets: Kosta Koufos
Team X Gives: '17 2nd

Actually, do you think your Celtics would be interested in being "Team X"?

The other deal to be made would be with Washington.

WAS Gets: Collison & Casspi
WAS Gives: Burke, Satoransky, & WAS '17 1st

SAC Gets: Burke, Satoransky, & WAS '17 1st
SAC Gives: Collison & Casspi

It gives Washington an excellent 6th man option and another good bench option in Casspi. Their bench has been horrible this year, so making a push to round it out with two good roleplayers might be enough to pluck their 2017 pick considering they are right there at the top of the standings.

Then the Kings would have these contracts guaranteed next year (assuming Gay & Barnes opt in):

PG - Satoransky
SG - Temple / Bogdanovic / Richardson
SF - Brewer / Barnes / Gay
PF - Cauley-Stein / Labissiere
C - Cousins / Papagiannis
*SAC '17 1st, WAS '17 1st, HOU '17 1st, Team X '17 2nd

That's a pretty good start to the year, and we'd have a lot of different paths we could take with all the picks and young assets. Then when Gay gets healthy and looks like a promising player, we could look to trade him for another young player/pick to further help our asset management.

Bogdanovic, Richardson, Cauley-Stein, Labissiere, Papagiannis, Cousins, pick/player via Gay trade, SAC '17 1st, WAS '17 1st, HOU '17 1st, & SAC '18 1st could be a good young core going forward.

CelticsFan · Feb 8, 2017

twslam07 said:

In my opinion no, but I may be in the minority on what I believe KK's value is.

twslam07 · Feb 8, 2017

CelticsFan said:

If your answer is no for the Celtics, I can respect that, but your 2nd statement makes me believe that you don't think a 2nd round pick for Koufos is fair value (for any team). Is that the case? Do you have Koufos' value at nothing then?

CelticsFan · Feb 8, 2017

Sorry I misunderstood, yes a second is fair value for KK I just don't think the Celtics would be interested

206Fan · Feb 8, 2017

CelticsFan said:

Curious, why do you value KK so low? Players on his caliber, or lesser are getting paid $16mpy...Mozgov. Is Mozgov even better than Koufos? He's 3 years older. Plumlee was paid $12.5million to do NOTHING. Absolutely nothing... he's 100x worse than KK. Mahinmi is getting paid $16million after 1 "breakout" year. He's 30 yearsold, and his career averages are right around KK. KK has had a better career though. 31 yearold Joakim Noah is getting paid $18million based on name recognition, while he's slightly better than KK, his game has regressed. Is he worth 10million more than KK? No.

Knowing how much those centers are getting paid, we have Koufos who is 27yearsold(turning 28), on a 3 year, $8million /year contract.
7ft backup C who's in his prime, getting paid less than HALF of the market price, with 3 years left. There are many teams out there who need a 3rd big, or maybe even a starting C. A 2nd round pick is chump-change in the NBA world. That's why they're traded all the time with no real regard. I'm not saying Koufos is worth Lebron, but I'm saying his return should be at least, a solid player in return.

Remember, the Kings got a late 1st round pick in return for Marco who's 3 years older than KK. Marco's contract was also cheap with 3 years left. However, he came off a pee-poor year, yet, the Kings were still able to get a 1st round pick for him. His high value mostly comes from the fact that his skillset is valuable, while his contract was dirt-cheap with multiple years left. Same as KK. Look at the rates people are paying for backup Cs right now. So I think you're misvauling the Kings assets a bit.

CelticsFan · Feb 8, 2017

The reason I don't think KK's value is so high is because he's about to turn 28 and IMO has reached his ceiling. I think what you see is what you get with KK. He's a nice backup player. Yes all those guys signed you mentioned IMO are bad contracts. Of the players you mentioned do you think any of those teams wish they could have a redo?

KK is on a nice contract but to give up actual young promising players and or a 1st round pick I think is an overpay. Does KK make anyone say yeah now X team is a contender they have KK? If KK is such a good player on a value contract Kings should have no problem moving him at the deadline.

Big Cuz 15 · Feb 8, 2017

CelticsFan said:

The reason I don't think KK's value is so high is because he's about to turn 28 and IMO has reached his ceiling. I think what you see is what you get with KK. He's a nice backup player. Yes all those guys signed you mentioned IMO are bad contracts. Of the players you mentioned do you think any of those teams wish they could have a redo?

KK is on a nice contract but to give up actual young promising players and or a 1st round pick I think is an overpay. Does KK make anyone say yeah now X team is a contender they have KK? If KK is such a good player on a value contract Kings should have no problem moving him at the deadline.

if belinelli can get you a 1st rounder.....

CelticsFan · Feb 8, 2017

Big Cuz 15 said:

Yes you're absolutely right all it takes is one team. If Hornets could go back do you think they still do the deal? I believe Vlade won the trade

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