Free Agency

[funkykingston]

I know, but, seriously, what are we going to do? Assuming Rondo is gone we have a huge hole at PG and SG. All of the free agents are getting gobbled up. At this point, we could only make trades to fill holes but Gay is really our only decent trading chip and nobody wants him.

The only other option would be to trade DMC and blow it up.

Well, Crabbe and Lee are still available (as far as I know), Anderson hasn't officially said no and Curry hasn't been made an offer by other teams. There are still options.

As for having a new coach, GM and arena the reality is that we hope Vlade & Joerger are the start of stability and success, that doesn't change the fact that the Kings have been chaotic and mired in losses for the last few years. And we've all known about the arena from the early stages, seen the renderings become actual building, read about all the features, imagined games there etc, but none of these guys have. Most players (and agents) have a lasting perception of what the Sacramento Kings are and aren't and that doesn't change overnight.

It is frustrating though. I'd definitely like to hear some good news today.

 

[Sac.Kings]

I was thinking of that same thing. I'm sure the Heat is willing to do that to be able to try to keep Wade. Miami has a huge problem with the Bosh contract basically not knowing if Bosh can play anymore.

It would certainly help us out having Dragic here. If we sign Lee or trade for a SG, plus Anderson, we would come out of FA with a solid roster.

Dragic
Lee
Anderson (I think he can manage as a SF)
WCS
Cousins

There's a lot of size there, but you also have good 3 point shooters at positions 1, 2 and 3 for Cousins and good defenders in WCS and Lee. It's well balanced I think. Biggest question is Ryno at the 3 spot, but if that doesn't work play Omri there instead and have Ryno come in for offense.

 

[DesertFox]

It would certainly help us out having Dragic here. If we sign Lee or trade for a SG, plus Anderson, we would come out of FA with a solid roster.

Dragic
Lee
Anderson (I think he can manage as a SF)
WCS
Cousins

There's a lot of size there, but you also have good 3 point shooters at positions 1, 2 and 3 for Cousins and good defenders in WCS and Lee. It's well balanced I think. Biggest question is Ryno at the 3 spot, but if that doesn't work play Omri there instead and have Ryno come in for offense.

That would be an awesome lineup size wise... But Anderson fits at sf just about as well as boogie would.

 

[Albatros]

Wow....this is depressing. Waiters? Anderson doesn't want to come to us? What's the issue here? We supposedly have a solid front office and coach now and a new arena.

Players like evidence things are on the upswing.

 

[funkykingston]

It would certainly help us out having Dragic here. If we sign Lee or trade for a SG, plus Anderson, we would come out of FA with a solid roster.

Dragic
Lee
Anderson (I think he can manage as a SF)
WCS
Cousins

There's a lot of size there, but you also have good 3 point shooters at positions 1, 2 and 3 for Cousins and good defenders in WCS and Lee. It's well balanced I think. Biggest question is Ryno at the 3 spot, but if that doesn't work play Omri there instead and have Ryno come in for offense.

I'm not sure Miami has any interest in moving Dragic and even if they do, it'd likely have to be a three team deal or Rudy would have to be a small ball 4 as they have Justice Winslow at the SF spot.

And DesertFox is right - Ryan Anderson is strictly a PF. The lineup would be:

Dragic
Lee
Casspi
Cauley-Stein
Cousins

With Ryno getting pretty much all the minutes behind Trill & Boogie.

 

[dude12]

Nothing player who has the great advantage of not being Dion Waiters. And of actually hitting the shots he takes.


thing is...the Dion Waiters thing jsut bothers the hell out of me, but there are only two possible excuses I can see. One, somebody, whether Vlade or Joerger saw the playoffs and were impressed that Waiters could actually play defense when FA money was on the line(!), and we need a SG who can play defense. 2) we're planning on dumping Rudy and desperately want to find an aggressive SG who can get his own shot, hence the Waiters/Ellis rumors. Ok, now in both cases I consider Waiters' record of failure a collossal don't do it! red flag, but they kind of make sense. He is a guy who plays 1 on 1 and might be able to play defense if he ever pulled his head out, maybe.

And that puts him on an entirely different track -- basically he's a failed would be star -- than a shooting roleplayer like Johnson who knows his role and sticks within it.

Agree with the possibility of what Sac sees with Waiters. He's a guy who can create a bit. Needs to be better at creating though. I wouldn't be surprised if they get Waiters and another SG who wants to come in at a reasonable contract and then move Ben. Don't care what the stats say when comparing Waiters and Ben, it's time to move on from Ben. Low BB IQ, at best a 3 and D guy but he's not very good at defense. He's just not. Perhaps Joerger thinks he can work with Waiters skill set and dial his chucking ways back.

 

[dude12]

Sac seems hell bent on dealing Rudy but I'd rather them not deal him for lesser talent. I suspect that Vlade is being patient on that front and waiting for the right team and fit to deal him for either PG help or more likely SG help. I still think PHX is a good fit as PHX is not going to go total rebuild. NO is a fit despite NO overpaying for S Hill. Just because Hill gets the big contract doesn't mean he's a better option than Rudy who is a whole different level. If Sac can't find a viable trade, then hang on to Rudy.

 

[upinsmoke]

Sac seems hell bent on dealing Rudy but I'd rather them not deal him for lesser talent. I suspect that Vlade is being patient on that front and waiting for the right team and fit to deal him for either PG help or more likely SG help. I still think PHX is a good fit as PHX is not going to go total rebuild. NO is a fit despite NO overpaying for S Hill. Just because Hill gets the big contract doesn't mean he's a better option than Rudy who is a whole different level. If Sac can't find a viable trade, then hang on to Rudy.

I don't think so. He's still a heck of a talent with good value. If someone makes an offer that makes sense everything is on the table but other than that there's nothing wrong with going in with Rudy next year.

 

[theclash4u5]

It would certainly help us out having Dragic here. If we sign Lee or trade for a SG, plus Anderson, we would come out of FA with a solid roster.

Dragic
Lee
Anderson (I think he can manage as a SF)
WCS
Cousins

There's a lot of size there, but you also have good 3 point shooters at positions 1, 2 and 3 for Cousins and good defenders in WCS and Lee. It's well balanced I think. Biggest question is Ryno at the 3 spot, but if that doesn't work play Omri there instead and have Ryno come in for offense.

Anderson is already a defensive issue at PF, so you want him guarding Leonard, Durant, George, Batum, etc?

 

[206Fan]

Linked it in the other thread, but Bruski said Anders is probably passing on the Kings.

 

[Prog]

Am I the only one who wants to see what Dave Joerger can do with Rondo and Rudy? I really don't want them to be traded. It won't be easy to get this level of talent in Sacramento. I'd rather overpay for a better SG (and pay close to max for Rondo) and see how it goes.

 

[roasthawg]

Am I the only one who wants to see what Dave Joerger can do with Rondo and Rudy? I really don't want them to be traded. It won't be easy to get this level of talent in Sacramento. I'd rather overpay for a better SG (and pay close to max for Rondo) and see how it goes.

If those two are out then a big part of that is most likely Joerger not wanting them on his team.

 

[Sac.Kings]

Well DJ said he wanted more ball movement and for all of his assists, Rondo essentially controls everything. Hard to have ball movement when one player has it in his hands 75% of the time. It's not anyone's fault, it's just who Rondo is.

 

[funkykingston]

Am I the only one who wants to see what Dave Joerger can do with Rondo and Rudy? I really don't want them to be traded. It won't be easy to get this level of talent in Sacramento. I'd rather overpay for a better SG (and pay close to max for Rondo) and see how it goes.

The max for Rondo would be somewhere around $27-$30 million. That wouldn't leave the Kings with enough cap room to sign a SG that would make a difference. They could likely get Seth Curry but guys like Crabbe, Lee, Afflalo etc would be out of reach.

But Rondo isn't getting the max. It's looking like he might get half that. There doesn't appear to be much interest in him. Maybe Chicago?

 

[Livinthedream]

Well DJ said he wanted more ball movement and for all of his assists, Rondo essentially controls everything. Hard to have ball movement when one player has it in his hands 75% of the time. It's not anyone's fault, it's just who Rondo is.

Yep. It's nothing against Rondo or even Gay. They are just ball stoppers and their game won't/can't change at this point. Now matter how talented they are, you can't run a free flowing offense with them.

 

[CyKings]

it's quiet on the Kings end this FA, not sure if a good thing or a bad thing

 

[206Fan]

Am I the only one who wants to see what Dave Joerger can do with Rondo and Rudy? I really don't want them to be traded. It won't be easy to get this level of talent in Sacramento. I'd rather overpay for a better SG (and pay close to max for Rondo) and see how it goes.

No one wants Rondo. The Kings should not be offering anything over 8million.

The market for him is literally dead. Anyone offering up a lot of money is betting against themselves... just like the Kings did last year.

The only real team left that has interest in Rondo are the Bulls. There were reports of the Pelicans being interested, but another reporter came out and said the Pelicans told him they weren't.

Rondo is washed up.

 

[peacelate]

The Vertical ‏@TheVertical 4h4 hours ago
Sources: Luol Deng agrees to four-year, $72 million deal with Lakers. @ShamsCharania report on @TheVertical.

 

[Entity]

well I have come to the decision I need to take 5-6 showers a day for the next 5 days.

 

[Mike]

The Vertical ‏@TheVertical 4h4 hours ago
Sources: Luol Deng agrees to four-year, $72 million deal with Lakers. @ShamsCharania report on @TheVertical.

Interesting addition considering they have just spent the second overall pick on a small forward, Brandon Ingram. I guess they might use Deng at power forward like the Heat did when Bosh went down, but that does throw Julius Randle to the bench. So either their second overall pick starts life on the bench, or they move a former top ten pick who looked pretty steady last year to the bench, for a solid veteran. I've got to be honest, I'm not sure what the Lakers are hoping for at this point because I doubt Deng and Mozgov are going to get them into the play offs, but at the same time they are two good veteran additions, albeit pricey ones.

 

[steelevt]

well I have come to the decision I need to take 5-6 showers a day for the next 5 days.

Any chance you can wait until after waiters signs with another team?

 

[steelevt]

Marc Stein
Jon Leuer has landed a four-year deal worth $42 million with the Pistons, sources

 

[Kingfanpaul]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojVerticalNBA
Sources: Free agent Ryan Anderson walking into his final meeting now -- w/ Houston in LA. Afterward, he will hunker down and make decision.

 

[steelevt]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojVerticalNBA
Sources: Free agent Ryan Anderson walking into his final meeting now -- w/ Houston in LA. Afterward, he will hunker down and make decision.

So did we not get a meeting with him? I think I only saw we got to call him

 

[206Fan]

Marc Stein
Jon Leuer has landed a four-year deal worth $42 million with the Pistons, sources

This is why I think the Thompson/Landry dump was dumb by Vlade. Landry's 6million contract looks like chump change right now. JT's contract was only guaranteed like 2million last year, and unguaranteed for the rest of the years. You can't tell me there wouldn't be at least 1 team in the NBA WILLING to have Landry for a 2nd rounder.

I guess bidding against ourselves with signing Rondo to a 10million deal was worth it. Yea, because we improved our win total by 4 games?

Hopefully he can avoid dumbass trades this year.

 

[Sam0ah]

Why not take a chance on Lance Stephenson? He played lights out under our coach last year.

 

[John Galt]

This is why I think the Thompson/Landry dump was dumb by Vlade. Landry's 6million contract looks like chump change right now. JT's contract was only guaranteed like 2million last year, and unguaranteed for the rest of the years. You can't tell me there wouldn't be at least 1 team in the NBA WILLING to have Landry for a 2nd rounder.

I guess bidding against ourselves with signing Rondo to a 10million deal was worth it. Yea, because we improved our win total by 4 games?

Hopefully he can avoid dumbass trades this year.

It's $6M for a guy who never ever ever sees the floor. Why would somebody give a 2nd for Landry - he is literally truly completely worthless. worth zero.

 

[gunks]

It's $6M for a guy who never ever ever sees the floor. Why would somebody give a 2nd for Landry - he is literally truly completely worthless. worth zero.

Agree. Landry was hot garbage and JT washed out of the league. The FAs we landed didn't exactly work out (how much of that was Karl being ass, one has to wonder) but it was still the right move for the cap space.

 

[dude12]

This is why I think the Thompson/Landry dump was dumb by Vlade. Landry's 6million contract looks like chump change right now. JT's contract was only guaranteed like 2million last year, and unguaranteed for the rest of the years. You can't tell me there wouldn't be at least 1 team in the NBA WILLING to have Landry for a 2nd rounder.

I guess bidding against ourselves with signing Rondo to a 10million deal was worth it. Yea, because we improved our win total by 4 games?

Hopefully he can avoid dumbass trades this year.

So let me get this right, you think....

Rondo leads the NBA in assists but he's washed up, his contract last year was a 1 year deal but it was dumb.

Your rehashing the Philly trade as a dumbass trade...it wasn't. No need to hash that out again. Those players were and are crap.

Fournier is going to be a top 5 SG in the league.

I love your passion but things aren't so extreme one way or the other.

 

[Blob]

As grandma-ma used to say, now we are cooking with gas

Michael Scotto ‏@MikeAScotto 3m3 minutes ago
Sources: Sacramento Kings making a strong push to land Courtney Lee in free agency. Hearing an offer could approach $14 million per season.