Free Agency

jcwkings

jcwkings

All-Star
#93
#93
I was listening to the Dunc'd on basketball mock offseason podcasts, very interesting concept. Still have about an hour and half left of part two but to this point we sign Lin to 15 or 16 mil per. We let Curry walk, don't match an offer he has from Detroit I believe. Rondo has very few suitors and ends up signing a one year with player option for second for $11 million. Very interesting, most of us have Rondo making more, but these guys barely see any salary increase from the deal we gave him.
 
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ESP47

All-Star
#94
#94
biltalent said:
According to Woj the Nets are shopping Jarret Jack and plan to waive him if they don't find any takers.
This could be our chance to secure a decent vet back up pg that could start a few games as well. If we either don't want Rondo back or he commands to much money Jack at 1 year 6 million is a good plan b. He is coming of an ACL injury though..


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--nets-will-trade-or-waive-jarrett-jack-003637781.html
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Something to think about.

He's coming off his best year assist wise but he hasn't been able to shoot the ball from 3 for the last two years. He's 32 and coming off ACL surgery.
 
BaDgEraffe

BaDgEraffe

Prospect
#98
#98
OFFSEASON MOVES TO CONSIDER

#1
Kings Get: Eric Bledsoe, T.J Warren

Suns Get: Rudy Gay, Kosta Koufos

#2

Kings Get: Taj Gibson, Tony Snell, Sacramento Kings 2017 Protected Pick extinguished

Bulls Get: Darren Collison, Ben McLemore

#3

Kings Sign - Eric Gordon (1 year deal)

#4

Kings Sign - Tyler Johnson

#5

Kings Resign - Seth Curry


Lineup

Bledsoe/Curry/Mini Cousins

Gordon/Johnson/Richardson

Warren/Casspi/Butler/Snell

Cousins/Gibson/Labissiere

Cauley-Stein/Papa


The starting lineup now has legit shooters, and threats around Cousins. Bringing in Gordon on a one year deal allows us to take a flyer on him while we wait for the future of that position to arrive next year in Bogdan. T.J Warren and Tyler Johnson have a lot of upside. Eric Bledsoe is a better all around player than Rondo. I think these moves make for a perfect balance of youth and immediate impact type players.

All trades worked via ESPN Trade Machine
 
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206Fan

All-Star
#100
#100
biltalent said:
Good, I like Crabbe. He is a good shooter and has nice physical tools (6'6" with a 6'11" wingspan). I need to watch more film on him though to see what his defense is like.
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His defense is above average. However, I'd say that it's not too hard to look good on defense when you're playing with a backourt of Lillard/McCollum (both of whom are terrrible). I'd be comfortable with paying him over 12mpy.
 
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206Fan

All-Star
#101
#101
BaDgEraffe said:
OFFSEASON MOVES TO CONSIDER

#1
Kings Get: Eric Bledsoe, T.J Warren

Suns Get: Rudy Gay, Kosta Koufos

#2

Kings Get: Taj Gibson, Tony Snell, Sacramento Kings 2017 Protected Pick extinguished

Bulls Get: Darren Collison, Ben McLemore

#3

Kings Sign - Eric Gordon (1 year deal)

#4

Kings Sign - Tyler Johnson

#5

Kings Resign - Seth Curry


Lineup

Bledsoe/Curry/Mini Cousins

Gordon/Johnson/Richardson

Warren/Casspi/Butler/Snell

Cousins/Gibson/Labissiere

Cauley-Stein/Papa


The starting lineup now has legit shooters, and threats around Cousins. Bringing in Gordon on a one year deal allows us to take a flyer on him while we wait for the future of that position to arrive next year in Bogdan. T.J Warren and Tyler Johnson have a lot of upside. Eric Bledsoe is a better all around player than Rondo. I think these moves make for a perfect balance of youth and immediate impact type players.

All trades worked via ESPN Trade Machine
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I don't think the Suns do the Bledsoe trade. Bledsoe is their only real PG on the roster. Knight is more of a combo guard. At SF, they already have PJ Tucker who's 3&D and will not interfere with the development of Booker and rookies. Rudy will.

The Suns aren't going to trade Rudy for Bledsoe. Why trade their only PG on the roster for a 30yearold SF who will opt out and leave 1 year from now? It doesn't help them rebuild. It doesn't help them get to the playoffs. They'll find much better offers out there for Bledsoe, injury prone or not.
 
Hoovtrain

Hoovtrain

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#102
#102
206Fan said:
His defense is above average. However, I'd say that it's not too hard to look good on defense when you're playing with a backourt of Lillard/McCollum (both of whom are terrrible). I'd be comfortable with paying him over 12mpy.
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Well then he would look like Pippen in his prime here
 
biltalent

biltalent

Starter
#103
#103
206Fan said:
His defense is above average. However, I'd say that it's not too hard to look good on defense when you're playing with a backourt of Lillard/McCollum (both of whom are terrrible). I'd be comfortable with paying him over 12mpy.
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Problem is that he is a RFA and Portland has a lot of cap space. I think they match everything that is 15 million or less easily. I guess we have to pay 18 or 20 mil per year to pry him away.
Good thing about Crabbe is that he is only 24 years old so chances are good that he is still improving and his contract doesn't look as bad anymore. But is he worth it?
 
KingsFanGER

KingsFanGER

Starter
#104
#104
biltalent said:
Problem is that he is a RFA and Portland has a lot of cap space. I think they match everything that is 15 million or less easily. I guess we have to pay 18 or 20 mil per year to pry him away.
Good thing about Crabbe is that he is only 24 years old so chances are good that he is still improving and his contract doesn't look as bad anymore. But is he worth it?
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That's the question. With the rise of McCollum, Crabbe won't start at SG for the Blazers. And they preferred lineups with Aminu and Harkless at the forward spots, so most likely he won't start at SF either.
Will Portland pay 15 million for a backup? I don't know, but when you raise the price tag for Crabbe and come out of it with signing Harkless I would count that as a success.
 
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Amit149

Bench
#106
#106
peacelate said:
I think if the Kings lose out on Lee, they should go after Dudley.

He's a career .399 3PT shooter and shot .420 from downtown for the Wiz last year.

Not athletic, but makes up for it by being a smart defender.
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He's a totally different player, he can't really play SG in that point of his career and play a lot at PF in small lineups.
 
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Gilles

Starter
#107
#107
peacelate said:
I think if the Kings lose out on Lee, they should go after Dudley.

He's a career .399 3PT shooter and shot .420 from downtown for the Wiz last year.

Not athletic, but makes up for it by being a smart defender.
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Unlike Solomon Hill, who is good enough athlete to fill anywhere from 2 to smaller 4, Dudley is almost strictly a smallball 4 at this point.

206Fan said:
His defense is above average. However, I'd say that it's not too hard to look good on defense when you're playing with a backourt of Lillard/McCollum (both of whom are terrrible). I'd be comfortable with paying him over 12mpy.
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Crabbe is hardly any better than C.J. on D, at least looking at the numbers. An excellent offensive roleplayer though.
 
biltalent

biltalent

Starter
#108
#108
If the market indeed goes crazy and we're talking about 15 mil for guys like Lee and 18 to 20 mil for Anderson and Rondo I wonder if we are long term best served using most of our cap to get young players like Bazemore or Crabbe even if we have to overpay them by a lot.
Then fill out the roster with cheaper vet guys on 1 year deals and try again next season to get a better point Guard when there are more and better pgs avalaible.

For example:
Trade Dukans unguaranted contract and Phoenix' secound pick to the Nets for Jarret Jack and guarantee his contract for one year and 6 mil. Then sign Crabbe to a 20 mill per year deal so that Portland doesnt match.
This would give us a starting five of :
Collison-Crabbe-Gay-Wcs-Cousins
With a bench of:
Jack-Mclemore-Butler-Casspi-Koufos

A bit thin at backup SG and SF but Jack can play at bit backup SG and Crabbe backup SF.
With Joerger this team should be up and coming and contend for the 8th seed. Going into the next offseason we could trade Koufos as his contract gets even more attractice and we would have a lot of money for a high level pg. We also would be more attractive to free agents after a successfull season.
 
funkykingston

funkykingston

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Staff member
#109
#109
If the Wizards go hard after Ryan Anderson and his price tag gets into the $18+ million range I think I'd be happy to see the Kings go after Marvin Williams instead. He doesn't offer the offensive versatility that Ryno does in terms of being able to shoot and post up but he can back up the 3&4 and is a better defender. He'd also make a good mentor for Skal in a few ways.

Williams, Solomon Hill and Seth Curry would all be minor gambles that would likely turn out to be good "bang for your buck" signings given the salary cap explosion.

Cousins/Koufos/Papagiannis/Guidatis
Cauley-Stein/Williams/Labissiere
Gay/Casspi/Butler
Hill/McLemore/Richardson
Collison/Curry

Koufos could be dealt for another PG or KK, Rudy & Ben could be traded (in combination or separately) to reshape the roster further.
 
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Gilles

Starter
#110
#110
I don't believe, Hornets think of Marvin as a gamble at all. He gets at least 175% of $7m on the spot from them, plus they are likely to free up more space for him, if need be, so the same money from Kings start at $12.8m, plus how much more due to California state and Kings taxes?
Another thing to consider is that Marvin will enter his 12th season and already has almost 24k minutes logged in.
And Marvin will need that starting job.
 
Big Cuz 15

Big Cuz 15

All-Star
#112
#112
would memphis do a s&t for conley? rudy for conley & jamychal green?

cousins/papa
wcs/papa
green/casspi
ben/richardson
conley/collison/cousins

if we're able to do that.. we wouldn't eat into the cap too much. there would be some room to make other moves as well.
 
roasthawg

roasthawg

Starter
#113
#113
upinsmoke said:
Bazemore is the way to go here. He's going to be looking for his first big deal and he's young enough to justify it. Only way I like the idea of R. Anderson is in a sign and trade involving Rudy.
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I agree with this... Bazemore is the best free agent we have a shot at imo. Go after him hard and hope for the best.
 
Telemachus

Telemachus

Starter
#115
#115
What about Jordan Clarkson? He's young and can play both guard positions. I also imagine that his cap hold isn't very much, so the Lakers would rather sign him near the end instead of right off the bat. At the very least, we could force the Lakers to make a decision earlier than they might want to (he's a RFA).
 
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ESP47

All-Star
#116
#116
Big Cuz 15 said:
would memphis do a s&t for conley? rudy for conley & jamychal green?

cousins/papa
wcs/papa
green/casspi
ben/richardson
conley/collison/cousins

if we're able to do that.. we wouldn't eat into the cap too much. there would be some room to make other moves as well.
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Conley is a free agent and isn't going to agree to sign with Memphis so he can be traded here.
 
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The_Jamal

Hall of Famer
#120
#120
Amit149 said:
The problem with Clarckson is that the Lakers would likely match any offer on him and by bidding on him you can't use your capspace for 3 days.
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The time to get Clarkson is right at the start of FA. The last thing they want to do is have to use $15mil of their cap space to resign Clarkson when they're off trying to court LeBron, Durant, Horford, Derozan, Batum, etc. Then you work on S&T possibilities.

Basically the same idea with Crabbe and what Philly is going to do with Barnes. You force these teams to make a deal earlier than they want on their RFA and work into S&T possibilities.
 
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