Comparing WCS to JT

#91
Thompson was not covering Klay Thompson or Curry so I'm not sure what you're speaking of. Cavs had a decisive rebounding edge when GSW went small. Problem was that Thompson couldn't make the Warriors pay on the offensive end. Blatt was scared and stopped playing Mosgov as well.

I personally think Tristan Thompson is overrated. Cousins and Koufos ia better than Thompaon Mosgov, so I stick with my assertion that 2 good bigs and a good PG beats small.

The reason why small ball worked this past season is because not enough teams have two big skilled big men. The reason why GSW wanted Jason Thompson is to protect themselves from teams with big men because it's their vulnerability. GSW was so thankful they didn't have to face the clippers. Or a healthy Memphis.
As mentioned before, the only concern is guarding stretch fours. If a Cousins/Koufos lineup proves that it moderately guard stretch 4s, then we're free to bully other teams' lack of size and weight, whether it means being physical on the inside or setting physical screen for the guards.

WCS is our guy in the case that stretch 4s become difficult to guard, or if our big guys are consistently getting caught in switches against skilled iso guards and getting beat:

But from what I see so far, KK will be coming off of the bench, and WCS will probably be starting. If I recall correctly, he said something about being a sixth man:
 
#92
Thompson was not covering Klay Thompson or Curry so I'm not sure what you're speaking of. Cavs had a decisive rebounding edge when GSW went small. Problem was that Thompson couldn't make the Warriors pay on the offensive end. Blatt was scared and stopped playing Mosgov as well.

I personally think Tristan Thompson is overrated. Cousins and Koufos ia better than Thompaon Mosgov, so I stick with my assertion that 2 good bigs and a good PG beats small.

The reason why small ball worked this past season is because not enough teams have two big skilled big men. The reason why GSW wanted Jason Thompson is to protect themselves from teams with big men because it's their vulnerability. GSW was so thankful they didn't have to face the clippers. Or a healthy Memphis.
Of course that wasn't his main assignment on defense but in situations after switches when he is the one who stayed with the guard he did a good job and that is extremely valuable:

"Tristan's value defensively doesn't come in one area, but from his quick feet and strength. He isn't an elite rim protector, but he gives you some of that... On defense, that's Tristan Thompson. He can get away with switching onto most guards, he can get away with guarding most centers. As he gets ready for his age-24 season, that's not a bad place to be. "- David Zavac.

""Every Golden State playoff opponent has tried switching bigs onto [Stephen] Curry to prevent seams from opening, but Thompson is the first enemy big since Anthony Davis with the quickness to (maybe) hold his own... Thompson, always crouched in a perfect stance, might be even better than Davis at this discrete skill."

"Not only that, but he also excels at scampering back to the roll man and preventing him from scoring. Among the 74 players who defended at least 50 possessions ending with a shot, foul drawn or turnover by a roll man, Thompson tied for eighth (with Marc Gasol) in points per play allowed, per Synergy Sports. He also checked in tied at 18th out of 77 players who defended at least 75 isolation possessions. When defending in open space, he is among the best bigs in the game."- Jared Dubin.


Putting that part aside, of course that Cousins and KK is better than Mozgov and TT, but that will still hold true with any decent player out there instead of Koufos simply because Cousins is on a whole other level than this other guys...
The question I answered was can we make other team abandon small-ball by playing KK with Cousins- and the answer for me is still no- on offense it will give Cousins zero space to operate (easier for the other team to trap him since KK isn't a threat), and on defense small-ball team will make one of them much less affective by drawing him away from the basket (WCS for example is far better equipped to match against small-ball teams).
 
#93
Early in this thread a number questioned the purpose or comparing our rookie and the recently departed JT. I didn't agree but understood where they came from. The value of this thread for me and certainly for JT is that many of the posts have together drawn the most complete description of JT's talents and true value. It is nice to see this as a seven year fan of a quite decent and dependable player.
 

Kingster

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#95
I would say basically all of them. Seriously, he's a 7'1" freak athlete famous for being able to jump pick and rolls and stay in front of guards for a period of time. There are few stretch 4s out there who you can even argue have a skillset to bother such a player. Is Ryan Anderson going to shake a guy who can stay in front of guards? Shoot over a guy 3-4 inches taller than he is? WCS might be the perfect stretch 4 defender. Mobile enough to chase anyone. Long enough to really matter when he does stay with them. The larger question with him is how he'll handle power players. But that's more of an issue if he is playing center than at PF, where the power players he might be matched with will be 3-5 inches shorter than him. Its like a McHale situation. Sure he's skinny, but even after you bang him backwards he's still looming over you.
We'll see. If WCS can in fact guard all stretch 4s, he's a whopping success this coming year. If he can only guard say 50% of stretch 4s, not so much.
 

funkykingston

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#96
We'll see. If WCS can in fact guard all stretch 4s, he's a whopping success this coming year. If he can only guard say 50% of stretch 4s, not so much.
I really don't foresee Cauley-Stein having any issues guarding stretch 4's. But at the same time, having him out on the perimeter sticking close to a shooter and therefore away from the hoop as a help defender is EXACTLY what opposing teams are hoping to do by putting a stretch four in the game. It will be interesting to see how Karl uses his big man rotation against different scenarios.
 
#97
As mentioned before, the only concern is guarding stretch fours. If a Cousins/Koufos lineup proves that it moderately guard stretch 4s, then we're free to bully other teams' lack of size and weight, whether it means being physical on the inside or setting physical screen for the guards.

WCS is our guy in the case that stretch 4s become difficult to guard, or if our big guys are consistently getting caught in switches against skilled iso guards and getting beat:

But from what I see so far, KK will be coming off of the bench, and WCS will probably be starting. If I recall correctly, he said something about being a sixth man:

I thought the season was going to start with Rudy at 4?

Cousins, Rudy, Casspi, McLemore, Rondo?

WCS, KK, Collison were the main guys from the bench with Rudy moving to 3 when a big comes in and Rondo and Collison playing together at times, and Belinelli? I am forgetting about Butler in there.
 
#98
I thought the season was going to start with Rudy at 4?

Cousins, Rudy, Casspi, McLemore, Rondo?

WCS, KK, Collison were the main guys from the bench with Rudy moving to 3 when a big comes in and Rondo and Collison playing together at times, and Belinelli? I am forgetting about Butler in there.
That is more likely since we have been hearing a lot about Rudy playing the 4.
 
#99
I thought the season was going to start with Rudy at 4?

Cousins, Rudy, Casspi, McLemore, Rondo?

WCS, KK, Collison were the main guys from the bench with Rudy moving to 3 when a big comes in and Rondo and Collison playing together at times, and Belinelli? I am forgetting about Butler in there.
Really hope not. That is a poor rebounding and defending team.