Kings trade JT, Nik and Landry to Sixers (renamed)

[Amit149]

I completely agree with you, we have to nail this FA. We have no more pieces for trades unless we give away the pieces we want to keep. BUT all we lost was Stauskas as far as long term plans, potentially. Landry and JT were never in the long term plans. We lose a first rounder years from now. At what point do we start getting better NOW?? Or are we still stuck on worrying about potential rookies we could draft in 2018, 2019, 2020? It was a risk, but I like it. It puts us in the game of at least trying to compete NOW.

It was a risk we didn't necessarily had to take,

let's say you like a painting, you really- really do. It's market price is 100$, and you pay 500$ for it. you are still happy, but you got played.

That's what just happened, the 76ers just pulled a heist on our pretty dumb/ well-intentioned front office, and we gave up way too much to clear cap space.

 

[ovrush]

This is good. I didn't know we were capable of affording a wing, a point, and a low post scorer. I though we could only choose two.

For 26m if we could get matthews and

Pg: beverly/lin
Big: koufos/boozer/kanter

Id feel like we would have improved our starting lineup, depth, and we have protection behind each of our big 3 that approximates what our big 3 does which allows us to play the same style all year regardless of injuries and keep our big 3 rested.

 

[Jerichoholic]

Belinelli sounds like a slightly better fit than Beverley. If we can get either Bel or Bev, and then a big man, we've got ourselves a team.

The more I hear about this trade the more I hate it. Last night we weren't giving up any picks and were getting a group of International players that probably included Dario Saric. This morning we are giving a 1st round pick and the option to swap an additional 2 1st round picks and no quality International players, none of them are ever expected to come here, let alone getting Saric.

This is all about cap space and we gave up too much to get it. I'm glad we got rid of our remaining bad contracts, I can truly say that every current contract we have is a good one, especially based on what free agents are getting this year.

Here are the two huge problems that arise from this trade:

• The money must be spent this year and better yet, right now! Saving cap space for next year does very little good for us considering how much the salary cap is going up. We may end up with a little more money than most teams, but every team will have money so most likely every good free agent just ends up with more money with everyone else and we still end up with the scraps.
• The belief is that this gives us the opportunity to get 2 quality free agents this year instead of just 1. I disagree with that assumption. When we only had $10 million or so to spend a guy like Rondo wants the whole $10 million and we end up giving him around $8 million and we use the rest to fill out the team. Now that we have more money and no promises from these free agents a guy like Rondo will now want $14 million and we end up giving him $12 million. So now because of this trade we don't end up with more players, we just have to further overpay the players that we do sign. Rondo now gets $12 million instead of $8 million and Matthews will probably stand firm on $15 million instead of negotiating which means we can't get them both.

I'm still hoping for a best case scenario. The Suns get a realistic chance at Aldridge which means they have to dump Bledsoe so we jump in and take that salary. Then use the rest of the money to sign either Matthews or Ellis, guys who will stay here a couple of seasons at least. However just getting Rondo for a year and then maybe Matthews or Ellis is just not enough for what we gave up. I hope that Divac is thinking 2 steps ahead here and knows what he's doing.

 

[Darth Divac]

No thanks to Eric Gordon

He and Anderson are both elite spot-up shooters.

 

[Amit149]

Monroe just signed with the Bucks.

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
Greg Monroe will sign a three-year, $50M deal with the Bucks, including the player option on the final year, sources tell Yahoo.

 

[Mass]

I would really like a PG combo of Collison and Beverley or Collison and Joseph. Very underrated, but potentially a very good pair fot the PG spot. Belinelli would also be a nice addition, but I'm not sure he wants to play here unless we overpay for him. ANd I wouldn't want to overpay for a 29 y/o role player, even if I'd love to see an italian player joining the Kings.
I still like the idea of bringing in Stuckey. He would be a great option off the bench. There's till Lou Williams to improve our bench, even if I'm not so high on him. Hey, and Marcus Thornton is available too! He was a 20 ppg scorer years ago!!! I'm just kidding of course...

 

[Amit149]

For 26m if we could get matthews and

Pg: beverly/lin
Big: koufos/boozer/kanter

Id feel like we would have improved our starting lineup, depth, and we have protection behind each of our big 3 that approximates what our big 3 does which allows us to play the same style all year regardless of injuries and keep our big 3 rested.

Hell no to Boozer and Kanter, everything they do on the offensive end is outplayed by their complete lack of defense.

I seriously doubt we have enough money to sign Matthews, Lin/Beverly and Koufos.

 

[Gilles]

The other thing to consider over the next couple days is depth. Collison was actually better than any of the fa pg options available when he was on the court last year. The wheels came off for us when he or cuz or rudy were hurt.

We'll never win with cuz out, but if we can add depth behind collison and rudy we should be able to stay tough through injuries to anyone but cuz. Matthews gives wing depth to cover gay and can play with gay. We dont really need a rondo level splash. Collison as a starter is fine. Go get a Beverly who will embrace splitting time with collison and is cheaper and safer than rondo. Then you take any money saved and try to find a low post scorer to backup cuz when he's off the floor. Carlos boozer might work. Keep his minutes low and if boogie takes a night off it doesnt break how you run the team.

If our staring five was the 5th best in the league last yearcwhen healthy, we just need depth behind our big 3 that ensures our entire play style isnt changed anytime one goes off the floor.

Beverley just doesn't create well enough to run the second unit. Plus Houston is still waiting to make their moves, and with Llull staying in Europe, Nuggets still holding onto Lawson, Rockets don't have many options at PG, so Beverley is likely to stay. Lin would be much better option off the bench: he likes to run the team and he will have a bench unit of questionable creators, Lin also doesn't seem like he wants to come back to LA, Knicks look like they are stingy all of a sudden, so there's definite possibility to get him.

For 26m if we could get matthews and
Pg: beverly/lin
Big: koufos/boozer/kanter
Id feel like we would have improved our starting lineup, depth, and we have protection behind each of our big 3 that approximates what our big 3 does which allows us to play the same style all year regardless of injuries and keep our big 3 rested.

Just no to Boozer, Kanter is getting payed in Oklahoma and Koufos will be someone's starting center next season.

 

[Livinthedream]

Ugh. I am so tired of worrying about "long term ramifications." We have been worrying about long term impacts since 2007, and we haven't won 30 games once. You know what teams get hung up on the future? Bad teams with nothing to like in the present.

We didn't care about draft picks when we were good (did anyone complain about Dan Dickau being a bust?). The Spurs intentionally draft guys who aren't coming to the NBA that year because they don't need rookies. The Cavs and Warriors didn't add helpful pieces in this draft.

The point is that we have a unique opportunity to get much better right now. If it costs us a draft pick in 2018, so be it. If the move pans out, you will never swap with Philly and won't care about that mid 20s pick in 2018. If it doesn't pan out, you are probably trading Cousins, Gay, and whoever else you acquire in one of the next two off seasons, and getting a slew of "future pieces" that way.

But to keep holding "future pieces" at the expense of getting better now is silly. We have done it for 8 years with no luck. The rebuild is over. We need to act to build a contender around boogie now. If it fails, blow it all up in 2 years. But if you think cousins is sticking around for another contract while we hoard future pieces, you are wrong. If you want to build around Coudins, you need to do it now, and with potential impact players- not JT and a 2018 draft pick.

That's fair enough. If you're happy with getting the 8th seed and getting bounced in the 1st round with no ability to improve any further because you lack assets, then there is nothing more to discuss. We just disagree on what success is.

 

[TheGOAT1006]

He and Anderson are both elite spot-up shooters.

Eric Gordon has been in the league for 7 years now....I think it's safe to say he's not an elite anything.

Good shooter, yes. But I'm just fine developing and taking my chances with Ben. One day he may find the stroke.

 

[Merdiesel]

Trade with PHX for Bledsoe to give them space for signing LMA
Sign Wes Matthews

Bledsoe
Matthews
Gay
DMC
WCS

Playoffs.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Another glass-half-empty vote. Cap space is neat, but we can't put a jersey on it. I like the idea of an aggressive move like this, because it shows that Divac is serious about trying to win now. But, just because we're trying to win now, doesn't mean we're gonna win now. A lot of these win now plans seem to revolve around the Kings getting marquee free agents to sign with Sacramento, something that has never happened before. What's Plan B?

 

[Amit149]

Trade with PHX for Bledsoe to give them space for signing LMA
Sign Wes Matthews

Bledsoe
Matthews
Gay
DMC
WCS

Playoffs.

And send back what exactly? you think the Suns will trade Bledsoe for David Stockton?

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Monroe just signed with the Bucks.

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
Greg Monroe will sign a three-year, $50M deal with the Bucks, including the player option on the final year, sources tell Yahoo.

$16M+ for Greg F. Monroe, but Thompson had a bad contact?

 

[sdballer]

$16M+ for Greg F. Monroe, but Thompson had a bad contact?

It is interesting people are still acting like JT with less than 10m guaranteed is a bad deal.

 

[Sac.Kings]

I hope we see a move happen today by us. We have a lot of needs now. No 3rd big, need an additional PG, and a SG/SF if Rudy is moved to the 4. We can't afford to wait too long. We need to strike quickly.

 

[ovrush]

I dont think you need a pg to create when you have cousins or rudy on the floor thats why im ok with Beverly and his defense is specual and he shoots pretty well. He is restricted but Houston showed with parsons they set a number on a guy and then will let him walk.

Agreed on boozer and kanter being defensively limited, but if you only have them on the floor when cuz is off it doesnt matter. The big next to them will be a defensive specialist and its small minutes. Kanter probably will get paid so koufos and boozer are the better options. If you pay matthews 15m, does 11m get you 2 of those 5... im not sure. I think youd have to choose between:

Beverly(7m)/boozer(4m)
Lin (4m)/koufos(7m)

 

[SacKings384]

Report is that the Mavs "apprehensive" to even meet with Matthews because he's asking way more than they're willing to offer. That's for a team that has struck out in free agency. Who are we really bidding against for Matthews on that contract?

 

[captain bill]

Seeing as how the Warriors payroll just went over a hundred million and David West is interested in a ring.

Dark horse theory: Cap Space for Lee + Barnes.

Also in play now that New Orleans just broke the bank:
Cap Space for Anderson + Gordon.

I'd be okay with either of these trades, and likely others, since I'm not very impressed with the FA crop that's left. Rondo is intriguing but he doesn't deserve enough to require us to clear space for what's a rental on a huge question mark of a player.

The problem is we gave up Nik, a first, and the right to a future first round swap. Cap space is well and good but you generally need a sweetener when you're bidding against other teams to make a deal like that, and we have just depleted our most moveable assets.

 

[ninjabiscuit]

Seeing "LaMarcus Aldridge has crossed the Lakers off of his list" scroll on the bottom of ESPN is such a great start to the day.

Let me guess LA, you guys didn't really want him anyways, right? lol

The Los Angeles Lakers have passed on the opportunity to acquire LaMarcus Aldridge, team sources said today.

 

[Section 101]

And send back what exactly? you think the Suns will trade Bledsoe for David Stockton?

Nothing if they want to dump his salary to sign LMA. It has been reported they regret giving him the contract.

 

[ovrush]

Report is that the Mavs "apprehensive" to even meet with Matthews because he's asking way more than they're willing to offer. That's for a team that has struck out in free agency. Who are we really bidding against for Matthews on that contract?

They met with Matthews yesterday. Sent their gm and lead trainer. They're apprehensive going to 15 but would give 12... in this market that's posturing.

We're bidding against dallas and toronto. I think we have a good shot with Matthews. The injury is scary but 15m is what it will take in this market. Plus no state tax in dallas so their numbers are worth more

 

[The Chico]

The Los Angeles Lakers have passed on the opportunity to acquire LaMarcus Aldridge, team sources said today.

It has nothing to do, that LaMarcus Aldridge thinks it is a stupid idea to still build a team around a aging 36 year old Kobe Bryant.

 

[Amit149]

Nothing if they want to dump his salary to sign LMA. It has been reported they regret giving him the contract.

Unfortunately for us, not all front offices are stupid enough to trade assets for some cap space...

We are not the only team that has cap space, and many will be happy to pay for Bledsoe instead of just taking him for free...

Usually the players you get in a salary dump... aren't really good.

 

[hrdboild]

We don't just need a third big right now, we need a second big and a third big. Best case scenario means one of Moreland or Cauley-Stein is a rotation player this year. Neither one can score. Even if we add a PG and move Rudy to the 4 we still need a SF who can defend and shoot, a backup SG, and two bigs. Giving Matthews 15 million means the rest of the roster is woefully thin.

 

[Fear the Putin]

Robin Lopez, Seraphin, Shved, and Lou are all still available

 

[theclash4u5]

Trade with PHX for Bledsoe to give them space for signing LMA
Sign Wes Matthews

Bledsoe
Matthews
Gay
DMC
WCS

Playoffs.

Bledsoe went with the team to meet with LMA. Wouldn't make sense to use him to get him to sign and then trade him before he signs on the dotted line.

 

['89 Kings Fan]

Eric Gordon has been in the league for 7 years now....I think it's safe to say he's not an elite anything.

Good shooter, yes. But I'm just fine developing and taking my chances with Ben. One day he may find the stroke.

Ben already has a good stroke. 12th in the league in number of points made on spot up shots last year.

But Gordon had an even higher fg% good for 1.2 points per play. A three guard rotation of Ben, Darren and Eric would be really good. With Miller as insurance.

 

[sdballer]

Report is that the Mavs "apprehensive" to even meet with Matthews because he's asking way more than they're willing to offer. That's for a team that has struck out in free agency. Who are we really bidding against for Matthews on that contract?

That's where my concerns with vlade's inexperience comes in. I know wes would like 15 but if no one else is offering anything close to that, don't bid against yourself.

 

[Hallama]

Pretty good high risk/reward move by Vlade.

I think the Kings will get 2 of the 3 guys in Matthews, Monta, and Rondo. Not too concerned if the Kings overpay because worst case scenario is they are up to the cap limit. No big deal, right? Pretty brilliant in a way because next years cap (and the following) are going to jump way up so there will be opportunity to sign new guys again without being restricted by the cap.