Kings trade JT, Nik and Landry to Sixers (renamed)

[Sac.1989]

Keep in mind that the salary cap goes up to $90 mil next year... we don't have to spend it all the summer. Get one guy now... have huuuuge space next year.

its a matter of getting what helps us the most.

If its one of Rondo/Ellis/Wes and a solid big that will do

 

[KingMilz]

I think people are overreacting about the picks.

I don't think the picks matter at all because if we are garbage for the next 1-2 seasons than we will get a ton of picks/young players worth building around trading DMC. If we are successful than again the picks won't matter that much cause we won't be a getting high picks.

 

[dmj]

I'm a little unclear on our draft pick situation the next few years. Doesn't Cleveland get next years draft pick, unprotected?

edit: nevermind Rain man just explained this in his post

 

[twslam07]

With the ~$24.2 mil in cap room, we could swing it this way:

1. Waive David Stockton
2. Sign Wesley Matthews to a $60 mil/4 year contract
3. Make a 3 way trade with Chicago and Denver and trade away McCallum, Moreland, and the remaining protection on our 2016 pick to bring Wilson Chandler in.
4. Sign Cory Joseph to a $22 mil/4 year contract
5. Sign either Omri Casspi or Cole Aldrich to the room exception. If their plan is to play Gay at PF, sign Casspi. If their plan is to play Gay at SF, sign Aldrich. I"m going to assume they are planning to play Gay at PF due to some rumors.
6. Sign Andre Miller, Dahntay Jones, Hedo Turkoglu, Drew Gooden, Quincy Acy, and Samuel Dalembert to veteran minimum deals.

PG - Collison/Joseph/Miller
SG - Matthews/McLemore/Jones
SF - Chandler/Casspi/Turkoglu
PF - Gay/Cauley-Stein/Gooden/Acy
C - Cousins/Dalembert

If we strike out on the bigger name guys like Rondo (don't really want him), Ellis (only would want him as a sixth man), & Matthews (intrigued but injury concerns me), we still can improve this roster quite a bit with mid level veterans. Below are some FA options that I think we could target and have a realistic shot at.

PG - Beverley/N Cole/Joseph/Lin/Nelson/CJ Watson
SG - Afflalo/Belinelli/Stuckey/L Williams
SF - C Brewer/Casspi
PF - E Davis/J Hill
C - Aldrich/O'Quinn

If we waive Stockton, drop $6 mil on Joseph, $7 mil on Belinelli, $8 mil on Hill, $3 mil on Aldrich, use the room exception on Casspi, & sign Andre Miller, Dahntay Jones, & Quincy Acy to veteran minimum deals, our team would look like this:

PG - Collison/Joseph/Miller/McCallum
SG - McLemore/Belinelli/Jones
SF - Gay/Casspi
PF - Cauley-Stein/Hill/Acy/Moreland
C - Cousins/Aldrich

Is that better than last years team?

PG - Collison/Miller/McCallum/Stockton
SG - McLemore/Stauskas
SF - Gay/Casspi/Williams
PF - Thompson/Landry/Evans/Moreland
C - Cousins/Hollins

1. Joseph is better than Miller
2. Belinelli is better than Stauskas
3. Cauley-Stein/Hill/Acy/Aldrich is better than Thompson/Landry/Evans/Hollins

Then you take into account how well last years team was playing before we decided to sabotage the season, and there is still hope this team could do some damage.

 

[Rain man]

I'm a little unclear on our draft pick situation the next few years. Doesn't Cleveland get next years draft pick, unprotected?

See my post above, which I think is an accurate summary (though other can correct it). Cleveland is out of the picture- they traded their rights to our pick to Chicago. The pick to Chicago is top 10 protected in 2016 and 2017, and reverts to a second round pick in 2017 if it is not conveyed as a first rounder.

 

[The Hammer]

Chris Mannix ‏@ChrisMannixSI
There remains a massive difference of opinion between what George Karl thinks is what is best for the team and what Vivek/Vlade are doing.

FIRE KARL NOW.

Clear this clown out. Get it over with. Make an example of him. Karl: just coach, or GTFO.

 

[Rain man]

I don't think the picks matter at all because if we are garbage for the next 1-2 seasons than we will get a ton of picks/young players worth building around trading DMC. If we are successful than again the picks won't matter that much cause we won't be a getting high picks.

Yeah- I actually agree with that entirely. I mostly wanted to address the "swap" issue, which people seem to think is terrible. We would have to be very unlucky (or very bad- i.e. worse than Philly) for the swap to come into play. The real beauty of this move is that if it blows up you are going to have to rebuild again in 2-3 years (like a real rebuild where you trade Boogie). If you do that, you will replenish all of the draft assets you just lost in this trade, and then some...

 

[twslam07]

Yes, Kings will have $26 million of pure cap space, assuming expected spike of the cap to at least $68 million, and they can balloon that to more than $35 million using sign-and-trades.

Where are you getting 26 mil from?

DeMarcus Cousins $15,851,950
Rudy Gay $12,403,101
Darren Collison $5,013,559
Ben McLemore $3,156,600
Willie Cauley-Stein (Cap Hold) $2,831,900
Ray McCallum $947,276
Wayne Ellington (Stretch) $882,630
Eric Moreland $845,059
David Stockton $845,059
Undrafted Rookie FA Cap Hold $525,093
Undrafted Rookie FA Cap Hold $525,093
Undrafted Rookie FA Cap Hold $525,093
Undrafted Rookie FA Cap Hold $525,093

Total Payroll = $44,877,506
Salary Cap = $69,100,000
Cap Space = $24,222,494

 

[SacTownKid]

I'm not sure how serious Wes Matthews injury was, I read a few weeks ago he's already back on the court practicing. I'm guessing it wasn't a serious rupture if there is such a thing?

I'm all for getting whoever is suggested Rondo and Ellis as a tandem the F outta here.

 

[dmj]

The idea of a pick swap just seems like a disaster waiting to happen. I'd like to believe we will make it to the playoffs next year, but the West is still deep, our coach and best player are at odds with each other, and talent-wise we are likely one major injury away from the lottery.

We are risking all of this to trade last years lottery pick (!) in a salary dump.

 

[The Hammer]

Vlade will win Exec of the season this season if we utilise that cap space well and make the playoffs. I guarentee it.

Thought the exact same thing... if he can cool the fires surrounding Karl... or better yet can his ass and hire Thibbs.

 

[Rain man]

The idea of a pick swap just seems like a disaster waiting to happen. I'd like to believe we will make it to the playoffs next year, but the West is still deep, our coach and best player are at odds with each other, and talent-wise we are likely one major injury away from the lottery.

We are risking all of this to trade last years lottery pick (!) in a salary dump.

The West was very deep this year, we missed the playoffs, and yet we still managed to have a better record than Philly. This year's team proved that despite having 3 coaches in one season, and despite a toxic environment, it could still win 29 games in a deep West. Even with minimal roster improvements, this team is a threat to win 35 games. Philly is not winning 35 games next year or in 2017. Thus, the only way a swap comes into play is if we fail to make the playoffs, but manage to win the lottery and move into the top 3, despite having the 10th or 11th best odds to do so. Possible, but unlikely. It is also possible that we could move into the top 3, and still have a worse pick than Philly.

 

[KingsFanGER]

Still fear we gave away a future pick and a promising young player for overpaying mid tier FA. You better don't spend this cap space on guys like Brewer....

 

[HereWeBoogie]

i would go after Wes and then a backup PG to play behind DC, like Beverly or Schroder. Then also still have some money left over for some role players. Need another PF now.

i would stay far away from Rondo and Ellis

 

[KingMilz]

i would go after Wes and then a backup PG to play behind DC, like Beverly or Schroder. Then also still have some money left over for some role players. Need another PF now.

i would stay far away from Rondo and Ellis

I don't think either will be cheap and Schroder is still under contract and we have nothing to give up for him. Plus Schroder could demand a huge pay day after this year.

 

[KingsFanGER]

Philly is not winning 35 games next year or in 2017.

Because they are Philly? If they finally want to win games, they have a very good chance to do so in the east. Okafor, Noel, Canaan, Wroten, Stauskas, Convington and maybe even Embiid. They have some talent. Lets see what they decide to do, before taking it as a fact, that Philly will always be terrible.

 

[twslam07]

If our big signings fall through, I would have really liked to explore using that cap space to sign Amir Johnson (too late now since he signed with the Celtics already).

Cousins/Johnson/Cauley-Stein could have been a very dynamic big man rotation.

 

[rhythmless]

The West was very deep this year, we missed the playoffs, and yet we still managed to have a better record than Philly. This year's team proved that despite having 3 coaches in one season, and despite a toxic environment, it could still win 29 games in a deep West. Even with minimal roster improvements, this team is a threat to win 35 games. Philly is not winning 35 games next year or in 2017. Thus, the only way a swap comes into play is if we fail to make the playoffs, but manage to win the lottery and move into the top 3, despite having the 10th or 11th best odds to do so. Possible, but unlikely. It is also possible that we could move into the top 3, and still have a worse pick than Philly.

Why does everyone think Philly will suck for the next two years? They have something we don't; assets and a crapload of talent. They can unload at a moment's notice and win more games than us EASILY. If even one or two of their guys develops, they can easily compile a team around them. We can't do anything.

Philly was losing this year because they WANTED to. Vivek tried his pathetic hardest to win this year. Huge difference.

 

[lawlman91]

Get PatBev period

 

[SacTownKid]

Why does everyone think Philly will suck for the next two years? They have something we don't; assets and a crapload of talent. They can unload at a moment's notice and win more games than us EASILY. If even one or two of their guys develops, they can easily compile a team around them. We can't do anything.

Philly was losing this year because they WANTED to. Vivek tried his pathetic hardest to win this year. Huge difference.

Can't do anything? Look at this team with Rondo and Matthews on it. That's a team that can pretty much do it all. Defend, shoot. Only a moron of unimaginable proportions couldn't make that work. I'd rather they went after Pat Bev from the Rockets though. He's the best PG defender in the league bar none.

 

[itzcoatl]

I'm kinda hoping we can somehow nab Koufos, though nothing about that is being reported.

 

[Rain man]

Because they are Philly? If they finally want to win games, they have a very good chance to do so in the east. Okafor, Noel, Canaan, Wroten, Stauskas, Convington and maybe even Embiid. They have some talent. Lets see what they decide to do, before taking it as a fact, that Philly will always be terrible.

Only okafor and Noel would crack the KINGS rotation. They gave Wroten a starting spot and he put up nice popcorn numbers (with horrific shooting and turnover numbers) and they led the league in losses. Then they handed over the reigns to Canaan and got more of the same. Covington is little more than a nice fantasy player. Just because you score 15 points per game as the number one option on an awful team, chucking up 8 3s per game, doesn't make you a great player. Stauskas??? MAYBE a nice role player next year, but he has a lot of growing to do. Even okafor and Noel are largely unproven question marks. This isn't an experienced or particularly talented team.

 

[pdizo916]

i think they're clearing up cap space for Lawson. Something tells me he's a future king.

 

[ockingsfan]

I have a feeling we are signing Wes Matthews for 4 years/ $60 mil and Rondo for 2 years $20 mil, 2nd year is a player option.

Also, the Euro players the Kings got may turn out to be contributors on the Kings eventually. The #47 pick, Arturas Gudaitis looks like he could be a Tiago Splitter type player, the 60th pick, Luka Mitrovic could become a Darius Songaila type contributer.

They are both contributing on their Euro teams and still has upside. I wouldn't be surprised if Vlade can get them over to the States to play this year or next.

I really hope Matthews can get back to his pre-injury form, if so he would be a great addition. Rondo can get the ball to DMC/Gay/WCS in the right spots

 

[Bricklayer]

Jesus, did you just use the nets as an example we should be happy with? This franchise has set a very low bar

It may have, but actually that's true,if you translate it to the WC. Just get us in out here, and it means we're a damn good team. Then let's see what Boogie can do.

 

[Mass]

I hope we use this money to help Phoenix create space for LMA. I'll take Bladsoe and Markeef Morris, and we would still have space to add another player or 2.

And BTW, I like the move to get 2 young european prospects. I think that's the best value you can get in the 2nd round. I wouldn't underestimate this move.

 

[Bricklayer]

Back when James Ham gave his big podcast it was mentioned that Vivek refused to hire Karl and pushed for Mullin because Mullin was already under contract and he wouldn't have to get paid. There was also some discussion of a big mutiny from the minority owners who didn't want to pay tool much for another coach.

Now we are seeing legit talent being shipped off for cash. Vivek is a joke and has been since day 1.

Legit talent?

And no, we shipped off useless spare parts to get caproom to spend on pieces we like better. The money is still going to be spent.

 

[SacTownKid]

I hope we use this money to help Phoenix create space for LMA. I'll take Bladsoe and Markeef Morris, and we would still have space to add another player or 2.

Why would they do that though? Why would Lamarcus want to go there with no Bledsoe? If he did the Kings should jump all over that because chaos or not playing with Cousins and Gay gives him a much better shot at winning.

 

[KingsFanGER]

Only okafor and Noel would crack the KINGS rotation. They gave Wroten a starting spot and he put up nice popcorn numbers (with horrific shooting and turnover numbers) and they led the league in losses. Then they handed over the reigns to Canaan and got more of the same. Covington is little more than a nice fantasy player. Just because you score 15 points per game as the number one option on an awful team, chucking up 8 3s per game, doesn't make you a great player. Stauskas??? MAYBE a nice role player next year, but he has a lot of growing to do. Even okafor and Noel are largely unproven question marks. This isn't an experienced or particularly talented team.

A bit off topic. Of course everything depends on how good Okafor really is. If he can give the 76ers a low post scoring option right away, they will be a lot better, than last year. Noel has been working on a mid range jumpshot since he has come into the league. Who knows if the work finally pays off? Okafor+Noel might be on of the best young frontcourts in the league and there aren't a lot of good defensive big man in the east. Add some floor spacing from Canaan, Covington and Stauskas and you might have something.
I wouldn't count the 76ers out just yet. It really depends on, what Hinkie wants to do.

 

[Bricklayer]

Once again we act like its black and white. The third option is to actually try and focus on complimentary pieces to our core players which don't require blowing things up.

If we come away with day rondo/Ellis for 26+M is that even better than IT/Evans for less than 20? What is the point of blowing things up if there isn't a plan.

Mismatch or not, if we had IT/Reke/COusins/Gay/Collison/WCS that's more than enough talent to win too.

You win with talent in this league. Not little talents, but big ones. If this is managed properly we should have enough talent.