Just to show how stupid lakers fans are... 99% of the answers were like these. Boogie must stay here, were we know his true value. F*** the Lakers and their fans.
One AND ONLY Cousins trade rumors thread
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So 95% of them say "No way!" and 95% of Kings fans say "No way!" Why are they the stupid ones? It just goes to show you how fans can wear serious blinders when it comes to their own players.
Because DMC is a beast, a future HOF who is right now in the range of the Shaq/Duncan/Hakeem of this world. He is the best C in the league, an all star, a member of team USA, an All NBA. He's a superstar who for some reasons would like to be in Sacramento, if we are not dumb enough to completely alienate him and force him to ask for for a trade.
Okafor and Randle are just 2 unproven rookies who might become something good. If you don't see who the stupid ones are, well, I don't know what elso to say.
Okafor and Randle are just 2 unproven rookies who might become something good. If you don't see who the stupid ones are, well, I don't know what elso to say.
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Out of all the offers I have seen on here that are realistic the best one so far was the one that was in that thread that was for no reason closed in regards for swapping Cousins to the Nuggets
http://www.kingsfans.com/threads/cousins-to-the-nuggets-idea.61273/
(Vladefather's idea)
Kings Out:
DeMarcus Cousins
Carl Landry
Eric Moreland
Kings in:
Ty Lawson
Kennith Faried
Jusuf Nurkic ( I don't know how good Nurk can be he's very talented)
Jameer Nelson
7th Pick in Draft
That to me IF we were going to trade that looks way better than any deal from the Lakers/Boston, not saying I would do it but out of all the viable options so far it's the best.
P.S I don't view the Wiggins/KAT and whatever else as realistic
http://www.kingsfans.com/threads/cousins-to-the-nuggets-idea.61273/
(Vladefather's idea)
Kings Out:
DeMarcus Cousins
Carl Landry
Eric Moreland
Kings in:
Ty Lawson
Kennith Faried
Jusuf Nurkic ( I don't know how good Nurk can be he's very talented)
Jameer Nelson
7th Pick in Draft
That to me IF we were going to trade that looks way better than any deal from the Lakers/Boston, not saying I would do it but out of all the viable options so far it's the best.
P.S I don't view the Wiggins/KAT and whatever else as realistic
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Really? He is not? Wow... If you don't believe me, believe some stats:
You know how many players in the history of this game, at the age of 24 or younger had a season with at least 25 points, 13 rebounds and 3,5 assist per 36 minutes? The answer is 2: Kareem and that guy that you would trade for Okafor and Randle.
Just to get things clear, stats at age 24, per 36 minutes:
Cousins: 25,4 pts - 13,4 reb - 3,8 ast - 1,6 stl - 1,8 blk - 545% TS% - 5th year in the league
O'Neal: 24,8 pts - 11,9 reb - 2,9 ast - 0,9 stl - 2,7 blk - 556% TS% - 5th year in the league
Duncan: 20,6 pts - 11,3 reb - 2,8 ast - 0,8 stl - 2,2 blk - 536% TS% - 4t year in the league
Olajuwon: 22,9 pts - 11,2 reb - 2,9 ast - 1,8 stl - 3,3 blk - 554% TS% - 3rd year in the league
Yeah, right, DMC is not even close... What about trying to put a good team around him, and see what happens? We have a special talent, and some of his fans are the firsts who can't understand it.
You know how many players in the history of this game, at the age of 24 or younger had a season with at least 25 points, 13 rebounds and 3,5 assist per 36 minutes? The answer is 2: Kareem and that guy that you would trade for Okafor and Randle.
Just to get things clear, stats at age 24, per 36 minutes:
Cousins: 25,4 pts - 13,4 reb - 3,8 ast - 1,6 stl - 1,8 blk - 545% TS% - 5th year in the league
O'Neal: 24,8 pts - 11,9 reb - 2,9 ast - 0,9 stl - 2,7 blk - 556% TS% - 5th year in the league
Duncan: 20,6 pts - 11,3 reb - 2,8 ast - 0,8 stl - 2,2 blk - 536% TS% - 4t year in the league
Olajuwon: 22,9 pts - 11,2 reb - 2,9 ast - 1,8 stl - 3,3 blk - 554% TS% - 3rd year in the league
Yeah, right, DMC is not even close... What about trying to put a good team around him, and see what happens? We have a special talent, and some of his fans are the firsts who can't understand it.
Well you can blame the franchise player for the losing. But I think thats simplifying a lot of things.
I admit, that in 25 years of following the NBA I watched only one guy playing the same position, that was able to do the basketball plays DMC does on a regular basis.
If this individual talent turns into wins remains the question. But I won't pass any judgement on that point until most of DMC career is over.
I admit, that in 25 years of following the NBA I watched only one guy playing the same position, that was able to do the basketball plays DMC does on a regular basis.
If this individual talent turns into wins remains the question. But I won't pass any judgement on that point until most of DMC career is over.
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I would say Vlade is parsing, not lying. He's going to try to get the most for Cousins that he can. Is he planning to move Cousins? No, he's literally not planning for it. But he is taking calls and he is listening. I don't think he can do anything other than parse at this point. If you want to call it a rumor or a baseless rumor or an incorrect report or a rag or whatever, feel free. IMO, there's way too much smoke not to have some burn on this. I highly doubt that Cousins' agent is giving up on this anytime soon. They've had a few months now to *plan*on what they want to do.
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I 100% agree, him and Miller are the only 2 players I own a NBA jersey off, Cousins is incredible but something in terms of impact is just not adding up for me at times, I don't think you can 100% blame the lack of help (or Cousins himself) cause as I have pointed out a much LESSER talent has done better and there's probably other examples where the same thing has occurred by other players. Blake Griffin when Cp3 went down went on a rampage with DC/DJ/JJ a few years back in the West.
Something is just not adding up
Something is just not adding up
I really don't think anything will happen, but there is a problem for those saying "get talent" around Cousins.
The team has Gay. He and Cousins seem to be a great fit as a #1/#2 option.
After that we have Collison who is a good fit, but a mid-tier talent on a mid-tier contract. We really need one more major talent in the starting five, preferably a defensive stopper with even a middling offensive game. At that point, you can live with Ben, Nik or JT being the weak link among the starters. The bench is where most of the problems are for the team. The draft might help the bench, but it is unlikely to help the starting five.
So with little cap space, a draft pick crapshoot and minimal tradable assets, how exactly is the team supposed to put enough talent around Cousins to keep him happy this year and beyond?
This is also why the Lakers makes very little sense to me. They would have to trade what little talent they have to get Cousins, mortgaging their future entirely. Maybe they can convince some vets to sign for cheap for Kobe's last stand and build a future around Cousins. My impression is that Cousins has not ingratiated himself with the NBA player community at large as the biggest bully on the block. How many people are going to want to play with noted a-hole Kobe and a diva (not saying that is true, just his rep in the league now) in Cousins. The Lakers might be worse than the Knicks with that setup.
The Kings aren't a great place for Cousins, but the trade destinations being rumored are not "win now" destinations either.
Build it in Sacramento, Cousins. You will be better for it.
The team has Gay. He and Cousins seem to be a great fit as a #1/#2 option.
After that we have Collison who is a good fit, but a mid-tier talent on a mid-tier contract. We really need one more major talent in the starting five, preferably a defensive stopper with even a middling offensive game. At that point, you can live with Ben, Nik or JT being the weak link among the starters. The bench is where most of the problems are for the team. The draft might help the bench, but it is unlikely to help the starting five.
So with little cap space, a draft pick crapshoot and minimal tradable assets, how exactly is the team supposed to put enough talent around Cousins to keep him happy this year and beyond?
This is also why the Lakers makes very little sense to me. They would have to trade what little talent they have to get Cousins, mortgaging their future entirely. Maybe they can convince some vets to sign for cheap for Kobe's last stand and build a future around Cousins. My impression is that Cousins has not ingratiated himself with the NBA player community at large as the biggest bully on the block. How many people are going to want to play with noted a-hole Kobe and a diva (not saying that is true, just his rep in the league now) in Cousins. The Lakers might be worse than the Knicks with that setup.
The Kings aren't a great place for Cousins, but the trade destinations being rumored are not "win now" destinations either.
Build it in Sacramento, Cousins. You will be better for it.
Correct. And other than the ownership change do you think it's possible that he might have played a role in all that turnover? We know for a fact that he ran 2-3 coaches out of town. Why is it that other players don't like playing with him? He's had some decent players come through here but nothing ever worked. Gay, Evans, IT, Vasquez, Sammy.....
I would rather keep Cuz than do this trade, as I think just about everyone here would. But I could still be a fan of the resulting team from that trade and would be excited to see them the upcoming season. Plus, just as a fan of Cuz, I'd be excited to see Cuz/Malone get a chance to be together again and make it work. The Lakers trade I would literally not be a Kings fan anymore, and my interest in the NBA would take a serious hit.
All that said, I believe Vlade when he says they're not trading Cousins, and I hope they don't. I just wish Karl sounded a little more convincing in his words on the matter. The more info that has come out lately, the more convinced I've become that we're going to keep Cousins, at least near term and that is great to hear. I just wish I had more faith in having the players/coach around him to make it work next season because if it doesn't, I think he will get traded because he will rightfully demand it, and we will get pennies on the dollar.
One of the statements that has really stuck out to me is a couple posters here mentioning how being a fan of a team is supposed to be fun. Even keeping Cousins, I'm not excited going into this year. I'd almost describe it as stressful, worrying about what's going to next come out of this saga, waiting for it to reach its eventual bad ending. The drama has to end. It's like any relationship, people can only take so much stress until they just check out. Once they check out its over, whether as a fan, or as a player. The fan base or Cousins hasn't checked out yet, but you can tell everyone is close and you can't blame any of them.
All that said, I believe Vlade when he says they're not trading Cousins, and I hope they don't. I just wish Karl sounded a little more convincing in his words on the matter. The more info that has come out lately, the more convinced I've become that we're going to keep Cousins, at least near term and that is great to hear. I just wish I had more faith in having the players/coach around him to make it work next season because if it doesn't, I think he will get traded because he will rightfully demand it, and we will get pennies on the dollar.
One of the statements that has really stuck out to me is a couple posters here mentioning how being a fan of a team is supposed to be fun. Even keeping Cousins, I'm not excited going into this year. I'd almost describe it as stressful, worrying about what's going to next come out of this saga, waiting for it to reach its eventual bad ending. The drama has to end. It's like any relationship, people can only take so much stress until they just check out. Once they check out its over, whether as a fan, or as a player. The fan base or Cousins hasn't checked out yet, but you can tell everyone is close and you can't blame any of them.
In fact, he had s****y coaches all the time. The only good one was Malone, and we know what happened. Other players don't like playing with him? How do we know that? From some twitter "rumors"? And you know what, even if that's true, who cares if other players don't like him? Do you think Kobe's teammates love him? I don't remember Kobe and Shaq being buddies, but they managed to win titles.
But hey, you have your opinion and I respect it. We have to agree we disagree on this. For you DMC is not a great talent and is just a troublemaker, I don't see it that way. For me he is a special talent, the only untradable player we have.
But hey, you have your opinion and I respect it. We have to agree we disagree on this. For you DMC is not a great talent and is just a troublemaker, I don't see it that way. For me he is a special talent, the only untradable player we have.
This number in particular amuses me. Everybody loves to point out how well Evans and Thomas are doing, as though Cousins was holding them back; they were pretty good here, too. What about the other guys, though? The aggregate the 36 former teammates that Cousins has had to play with have been so terrible, that more than half of them are out of the league now, and most of the ones that still are aren't playing any roles of consequence.
So, sure, I'll spot you Evans and Thomas; you can even have Udrih and Hickson. And, of course, twelve of those guys are still on the team. How are the other 32 guys doing?
So, sure, I'll spot you Evans and Thomas; you can even have Udrih and Hickson. And, of course, twelve of those guys are still on the team. How are the other 32 guys doing?
Actually, you and I can agree that he is a great talent. He absolutely is. That's the puzzling thing about him. Great talents should be able to win more than 29 games, especially when you have a legit #2 in Rudy Gay. Other poster said "something just does add up" about DMC, and I agree with that. Honestly, I think it comes down to leadership. Great players will inspire others to be better than they normally would. If you look at everybody who has come through here, nobody seems to thrive. Do you think you would enjoy playing with somebody who screamed at you every time you made a mistake? Or with somebody who literally complains about every single call, even when it's completely obvious that he fouled somebody? I just think it's gets old and people aren't inspired by it.
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