Carmichael Dave innuendo, "We are officially at Defcon One"

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Kingster

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I think Chubb's scenario is very possible. Just like the players have no confidence in Corbin, with the attendant results, the entire organization must have doubts about Vivek. Who on this board has no doubts on Vivek? With doubt comes debate. And with debate invariably comes conflict. It's very possible this debate is deeper and wider in scope than just a search for the new coach. It may involve a complete restructuring of the decision makers in the organization and the process by which decisions are made.

In particular, I have doubts about Vivek's decision making method. Vivek appears to be far too reliant on people he knows, mainly from his stay at Golden State. He needs to reach out to a multitude of individuals to synthesize a wise course going forward. If it were me, I'd be talking to every notable coach and GM in the NBA, as well as any notables that may have retired from the NBA (e.g. Larry Brown and Hubbie Brown), as well as notables in college (e.g. coach K). Those discussions would be far ranging, and even I daresay, philosophical. The end product should yield a philosophy that everyone within the organization can buy into, a credible GM that is in accordance with that philosophy, and of course a great coach. If this kind of due diligence is going on behind the scenes, I'd actually be a lot more patient than I am currently. It could yield some excellent long term benefits and eliminate the reactionary decisions that we are now witnessing. On the other hand, if the behind-the-scenes debate is purely over Karl or no Karl, they should just get on with it.
 
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Isn't the complaint with Karl and not Vivek?
Ultimately the owner takes the fall. Well, not the fall. But the blame. He'll survive like a cockroach no matter what. Unless he sells, takes a quick profit, and gets out. My pipe dream. But he's in too deep for that. He needs to figure a way to be the hero again right now. Cause right now he's the biggest chump in the NBA running a dysfunctional franchise with players openly questioning the direction of the team nightly in the media.

Players vs players, owners vs owners, PR people vs the front office, etc. The only guy not fighting anyone is Ty Corbin, although he did show signs of life and get a T. He's got no one to fight cause he barely exists. He's just the unfortunate guy they handed the clipboard too.

Right now everything is playing out in the media. It's cause there are clearly factions forming, fighting one another with the organization,

It's cause no one knows what the hell Vivek is doing. Ticket sales has a job to do, so does PR. They're firing PR people. Ticket sales must be distraught. Locker room is clearly a mess. Corbin, if he somehow didn't already know, is a dead man walking.

This gets worse. This Karl dog and pony show makes things worse.

Surely they didn't find out yesterday, after a 7-8 week search (more likely panic brought on by the magic firing Vaughn) that Boogie's camp doesn't like Karl. We are supposed to believe that, after firing Malone with utter disregard for Boogie's relationship with him, and the team's shocking success, that Boogie is holding things up?

Didn't PDA stare defiantly into the camera and say "It was my decision!" Clearly not. He doesn't wipe his ass without permission. Cause if he made the decisions and he wants Karl, he'd already be here. And if anyone ever really gave a flying pace what Boogie thought, Malone would still be here.

They didn't give a pace what Boogie thought when they fired Malone. Why now? Huh? Why now?

Cause it's BS, that's why. Or, the decision making process has changed dramatically and there's a serious power struggle playing out.
 
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Please tell me that this front office isn't this stupid. Why are they making things difficult for themselves? :(
I wish I could tell you that but I can't. They are completely incompetent. And now, this Karl thing is turning into a huge circus. If they come out of it with somebody like Gentry it's going to make the fans even more pissed off at them. It's also not going to help Boogie's reputation with the fans as many will be bitter towards him for blocking Georgie.
 
I wish I could tell you that but I can't. They are completely incompetent. And now, this Karl thing is turning into a huge circus. If they come out of it with somebody like Gentry it's going to make the fans even more pissed off at them. It's also not going to help Boogie's reputation with the fans as many will be bitter towards him for blocking Georgie.
seems a poor move to smear Boogie, considering he's the only reason many of us are still fans.

Literally the omly good thing in this entire crap show and they go after Boogie's rep.

****ing amazing.
 
Lots of good questions. No answers. I hope the bunch can pull things together and move on. Don't even know what I want them to do, but something. It can't go on like this. At least I hope it can't.
 

Glenn

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What has Vivek been doing recently? He went to Switzerland for some economic conference. Switzerland is a wonderful place to launder money. Just ask any filipino who wonders where Marcos put all his money. He accompanied the President (supposedly) for a celebration in India. Meanwhile his team was falling apart. Maybe if he had stayed in this country and tried to hold his team together, it wouldn't be such a mess. A mere pre-game chat with the team might have helped. Might. At least the players would have thought he gave a crap. He might have spent some time talking to the boat load of investors. There was a lot of Kings related problems for him to involve himself with.

He seemed more interested in promoting himself which shouldn't come as a shock to anyone.
 
George Karls mentor, and college coach Dean Smith just passed away.

That may delay negotiations if Karl is in mourning and going to the funeral for Smith.
 

Bricklayer

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Gentry isn't a flashy name, but he's not a bad coach. He's not one that I would get upset over. He's not Mark Jackson or VDN.
He's a dumbass run n gunner who isn't going to have Steve Nash make his offense look serious this time. He's a terrible hire for Cousins.

The idea that an organization with Cousins would intentionally be PURSUING a coach who has 12 years under his belt, only 1 truly successful campaign, and that one good season built upon Steve Nash and the afterglo of Mike D'Antoni's Phoenix teams, who's even made the playoffs in 2 of 12 years...that's ridiculous.
 
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seems a poor move to smear Boogie, considering he's the only reason many of us are still fans.

Literally the omly good thing in this entire poopoo show and they go after Boogie's rep.

****ing amazing.
Uhm wheres your proof? And why would they do this? Smh. Everyone is reporting that Boogies camp isn't on board with this, and you turn it into the FO wants to sabotage Cousins....please suggest this to Carmichael Dave or Grant to the show on Monday and listen to their response...
 
What has Vivek been doing recently? He went to Switzerland for some economic conference. Switzerland is a wonderful place to launder money. Just ask any filipino who wonders where Marcos put all his money. He accompanied the President (supposedly) for a celebration in India. Meanwhile his team was falling apart. Maybe if he had stayed in this country and tried to hold his team together, it wouldn't be such a mess. A mere pre-game chat with the team might have helped. Might. At least the players would have thought he gave a poopoo. He might have spent some time talking to the boat load of investors. There was a lot of Kings related problems for him to involve himself with.

He seemed more interested in promoting himself which shouldn't come as a shock to anyone.
He has a life outside of his job...there's literally nothing wrong with him going to Switzerlnd for a business trip or leisure..
 

Bricklayer

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He has a life outside of his job...there's literally nothing wrong with him going to Switzerlnd for a business trip or leisure..
You really don't take that vacation when the office is in crisis mode and everything is melting down. PARTICULARLY not when you are the owner.

Still, in Vivek's case there is a significant chance that his meddling has helped create the disaster in the first place, so I don't know if want him around "irritating" during this process or not. Nonetheless, as the only person in the organization who can say the buck stops here, an organization in crisis can be paralyzed without him just stepping forward and saying this is what is going to happen.
 

Glenn

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You really don't take that vacation when the office is in crisis mode and everything is melting down. PARTICULARLY not when you are the owner.

Still, in Vivek's case there is a significant chance that his meddling has helped create the disaster in the first place, so I don't know if want him around "irritating" during this process or not. Nonetheless, as the only person in the organization who can say the buck stops here, an organization in crisis can be paralyzed without him just stepping forward and saying this is what is going to happen.
Of course.

At the time Vivek left the country, there was a note posted verbatim to the one you are responding to. As long as the Kings are not #1 in Vivek's eyes, he is of little use and perhaps is a hinderance to the Kings.

Somewhere in the past I suggested Vivek hire a powerful and skilled man or woman to run the team. All he needs is to provide the money and stay the **** away. Maybe he thought he was doing that with Mullin except in a more limited and cheaper way. I mean a mega skilled and respected person who might come at a huge salary but also might command the respect this team doesn't have. He might be a person with the clout to call any coach and negotiate a reasonable contract without the present sense of disarray and panic
 

rainmaker

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seems a poor move to smear Boogie, considering he's the only reason many of us are still fans.

Literally the omly good thing in this entire poopoo show and they go after Boogie's rep.

****ing amazing.
It's ****ing asinine and it's completely due to a lack of leadership within our organization. Whether Cuz is fully on board with hiring Karl or not, the issue I have a real problem with is once again our FO leaking it to the media, to Dave, to Amick. And while we're used to leak after leak from this FO and organization, right now someone or multiple people are leaking this crap and taking aim at Cuz and his camp. Just where the **** do these people think that's going to get us, shifting the blame onto our franchise player where we're now incredibly seeing fans divided yet again and turning against Cuz and his people?

This incompetence, this mismanagement, it just keeps getting worse. An organization with sound leadership never has this leak publicly, to the point poor decision after poor decision has left them with no plan other than to pin their incompetence on our franchise player and his camp and watch fans turn against Cuz. While Fegan matters in all this, what too many are brushing over is the complete ****storm which put us in a position where Fegan does matter this much at this point and worse, the response from moles/weasels in our FO is to leak blame on Cuz's camp publicly to make up for their own clear dysfunction.

And you're right I believe, it's not Cuz blocking this. If he had that much pull, Malone would still be roaming our sidelines. It's an atrocious excuse, as is the presumption that with Karl almost begging for this job for over a month, that our FO is just now finding out what Cuz and his camp think about Karl. And while Karl might help, some are acting like he's some savior who'll ride through our doors on a white horse. He might, he might not, but he's not the only option, probably not the best option(unless our FO has killed off every other option due to their general stupidity) and you'd have a tough time finding another organization with a player at Cuz's level who'd be foolish enough to pit that player against a guy like George Karl who's begging for one last coaching gig before his career is done.

I used to complain about the lack of hierarchy within our team during the Smart days, which really hurt the product we saw on the floor. What I didn't think would happen is after new ownership took over that there'd be such a lack of hierarchy within our FO and upper management. That's the root of this whole mess. Cuz is just being billed as the fall guy at this time due to complete dysfunction, lack of leadership and a lack of hierarchy where it seems there's multiple forces/factions/groups/plans working against each other with leaks coming out like a ship which has just rolled up on the rocks. That's the issue, not Cuz vs Karl and Cuz's or Fegan's opinion of Karl, which I highly doubt is different now that it was 4 weeks or 6 weeks ago.

There is nothing professional about this leadership team and their manner of doing business. Nothing. They mishandle every situation they're faced with. And it goes directly to Vivek. Directly.
 
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I don't think that George Karl is such an amazing tactician that he will save the season by taking over now... but bringing in George Karl will ignite the fan base, probably charge up the locker room, and what might happen - what I bet will happen - is that the ballplayers will save the season and Sleep Train will be fun the rest of this year, and next year, and that the new arena will be a sellout for a playoff team. That's worth having isn't it?

It could be anybody - but it has to be Karl.

Unless it's Marc Jackson I guess.

No.... its gotta be Karl!!
 

Glenn

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I think Chubb's scenario is very possible. Just like the players have no confidence in Corbin, with the attendant results, the entire organization must have doubts about Vivek. Who on this board has no doubts on Vivek? With doubt comes debate. And with debate invariably comes conflict. It's very possible this debate is deeper and wider in scope than just a search for the new coach. It may involve a complete restructuring of the decision makers in the organization and the process by which decisions are made.

In particular, I have doubts about Vivek's decision making method. Vivek appears to be far too reliant on people he knows, mainly from his stay at Golden State. He needs to reach out to a multitude of individuals to synthesize a wise course going forward. If it were me, I'd be talking to every notable coach and GM in the NBA, as well as any notables that may have retired from the NBA (e.g. Larry Brown and Hubbie Brown), as well as notables in college (e.g. coach K). Those discussions would be far ranging, and even I daresay, philosophical. The end product should yield a philosophy that everyone within the organization can buy into, a credible GM that is in accordance with that philosophy, and of course a great coach. If this kind of due diligence is going on behind the scenes, I'd actually be a lot more than I am currently. It could yield some excellent long term benefits and eliminate the reactionary decisions that we are now witnessing. On the other hand, if the behind-the-scenes debate is purely over Karl or no Karl, they should just get on with it.
I think Chubbs is correct and so also Kingster. The debate is over a coach and, simply put, who and how is the team managed? Can Karl and Cousins get along and is Vivek competent?
 
You really don't take that vacation when the office is in crisis mode and everything is melting down. PARTICULARLY not when you are the owner.
Better yet he should sell off his main money making business to solely concentrate on the team. The Kings will be his main source of income. That worked well for our last owners right? Rich people own sports teams on the side. Its not their main source of income.

You can't expect your owner to turn down the president's invitation to visit your home country or whatever just to sit in the office and wait for pda to make and accept calls and say the final yes or no. He has his own life outside of the team. Just like you have a life outside of being a forum moderator.

I agree with Glenn that what he should do is hire someone more experienced to run the basketball side of operations. But you can't possibly expect him to put all his time and energy in just the Kings.
 
Uhm wheres your proof? And why would they do this? Smh. Everyone is reporting that Boogies camp isn't on board with this, and you turn it into the FO wants to sabotage Cousins....please suggest this to Carmichael Dave or Grant to the show on Monday and listen to their response...
Everyone is not reporting this, the local paper isn't. They include that Cousins camp is against it 'according to league sources." The Bee seems skeptical. They also point out there are factions in the front office also against Karl. If Boogie is holding this up, he's far from the only one.

The Kings’ front office has had reservations about Karl for some time, especially as to how he’d work with Cousins. The center’s representatives at Relativity Sports also expressed concerns about Karl, according to league sources.

That puts Cousins squarely in the middle of the situation with the Kings having misgivings about a coach who might rile up their star player, though Cousins does not believe he has such influence.

“Of course my name is going to get thrown into it. I’m the franchise centerpiece,” Cousins said. “I’m waiting just like you guys. It’s always going to be he say-she say. Until you hear it from the horse’s mouth, that’s what it’s going to be.”


Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/kings-blog/article9545291.html#storylink=cpy
Since when does Cousins have any pull? It's nonsense. It's a smear job, plain and simple. He doesn't is the answer. Karl wants more money, years, and pull than the FO wants to give him. That's more likely the truth here.

My proof is the leak that says Boogie is against this. Try to keep up. What's the point of that leak when it's just as likely the FO is being cheap and some in the FO don't want Karl anyway? They sat for 7 weeks with no interest.

I could give a **** what grant or CD think. Some people think for themselves.

Why would they do this? To drive Demarcaus out of town, and soften the blow by painting him as the guy holding up signing Karl. To paint Demarcus as the issue, not the collossal mistake of firing Malone in the first place, which he clearly had nothing to do with, is low and dirty politics. PDA's speciality.
 
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HndsmCelt

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Better yet he should sell off his main money making business to solely concentrate on the team. The Kings will be his main source of income. That worked well for our last owners right? Rich people own sports teams on the side. Its not their main source of income.

You can't expect your owner to turn down the president's invitation to visit your home country or whatever just to sit in the office and wait for pda to make and accept calls and say the final yes or no. He has his own life outside of the team. Just like you have a life outside of being a forum moderator.

I agree with Glenn that what he should do is hire someone more experienced to run the basketball side of operations. But you can't possibly expect him to put all his time and energy in just the Kings.
If you look around the league MOST of the owners are off doing their thing while the GM runs the show. In fact if an owner can't take off for what ever reason they want it is a clear sign that you have the wrong GM.
 

Bricklayer

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Better yet he should sell off his main money making business to solely concentrate on the team. The Kings will be his main source of income. That worked well for our last owners right? Rich people own sports teams on the side. Its not their main source of income.

You can't expect your owner to turn down the president's invitation to visit your home country or whatever just to sit in the office and wait for pda to make and accept calls and say the final yes or no. He has his own life outside of the team. Just like you have a life outside of being a forum moderator.

I agree with Glenn that what he should do is hire someone more experienced to run the basketball side of operations. But you can't possibly expect him to put all his time and energy in just the Kings.
I absolutely do not.

But if you are going to meddle, then you have to complete the thought.


Go ahead, be an absentee owner. Hire some people, get out of the way, and never be heard from again. But you can't dip your toe in, stir the pot, in fact knock the pot over, and then go dancing off while your organization bleeds out because of your mistake. The Kings are a huge part of his portfolio. They are in major distress, and by many accounts he may have caused a huge part of it. If you want to play Cuban, then you have to stay involved until you fix it. If you want to play...oh hell, I don't even know who, but the absentee guy, then you just don't get involved in the first place. But you've got a half billion dollar stadium opening in a year and a half and you have turned your team into a laughingstock. Its completely irresponsible to be anything but very involved until that situation is rectified.
 
Gerbil is a puppet. he can want Karl all he wants but it won't get done unless Lord Vivek see's Karl as part of his NBA3.0 vision to replicate his daughters championship team
 
Just tweeted by Woj

Sources: Sacramento, George Karl talks have been twisting road, but GM Pete D'Allesandro's determination to reach deal is keeping it alive.

Let's go gerbil
Gee, wonder who leaked that.

PDA smoothly painting himself as the hero, while throwing Boogie and his people under the bus.

I love it.

Unfortunately for him, I think his power is quite limited.

This is so embarrassing as a fan.
 
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HndsmCelt

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I honestly can not remember a time that a vocal fan base and a flock of sports writers practically forced a GM to hire a specific coach. PDA has diffidently set new standards in the world of sports.
 
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Glenn

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I absolutely do not.

But if you are going to meddle, then you have to complete the thought.


Go ahead, be an absentee owner. Hire some people, get out of the way, and never be heard from again. But you can't dip your toe in, stir the pot, in fact knock the pot over, and then go dancing off while your organization bleeds out because of your mistake. The Kings are a huge part of his portfolio. They are in major distress, and by many accounts he may have caused a huge part of it. If you want to play Cuban, then you have to stay involved until you fix it. If you want to play...oh hell, I don't even know who, but the absentee guy, then you just don't get involved in the first place. But you've got a half billion dollar stadium opening in a year and a half and you have turned your team into a laughingstock. Its completely irresponsible to be anything but very involved until that situation is rectified.
Absolutely.
 
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