Carmichael Dave innuendo, "We are officially at Defcon One"
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There's another thread talking about Cuz's play and performance somewhere here..this is a George Karl thread...
Tell me when was the last time shooting under .400 is hof worthy??? And this is shooting % from a center which makes it 10000x worse. All of the numbers he's putting up right now could be argued that they've been put up inefficiently with a high usage...not that I will. again this is a Karl thread Chubbs.
Not sure how you can call me a troll when I literally said nothing about Cousins performace over the last month before you wanted to bring it up again...spare everyone who's here to get info and discuss about Karl and save Cuz discussions for another thread.
Tell me when was the last time shooting under .400 is hof worthy??? And this is shooting % from a center which makes it 10000x worse. All of the numbers he's putting up right now could be argued that they've been put up inefficiently with a high usage...not that I will. again this is a Karl thread Chubbs.
Not sure how you can call me a troll when I literally said nothing about Cousins performace over the last month before you wanted to bring it up again...spare everyone who's here to get info and discuss about Karl and save Cuz discussions for another thread.
The Vaughn situation is pretty normal for a coach on the hot seat who's team is doing terrible and has tuned out the coach.
As for Karl, the biggest concern is whether Cuz is on board with it or not. That's what a lot of this boils down to. There's been a number of leaks suggesting Cuz would not be that thrilled with Karl. Who knows if it's true or not, time will tell. That's a big part of this however. If Cuz is on board and backs this hire, it's good, a real step forward. If Cuz isn't on board with it and we're doing it mostly because Karl is the only proven coach who'll consider this job after recent history, that's a different story.
As for Karl, the biggest concern is whether Cuz is on board with it or not. That's what a lot of this boils down to. There's been a number of leaks suggesting Cuz would not be that thrilled with Karl. Who knows if it's true or not, time will tell. That's a big part of this however. If Cuz is on board and backs this hire, it's good, a real step forward. If Cuz isn't on board with it and we're doing it mostly because Karl is the only proven coach who'll consider this job after recent history, that's a different story.
That story about the guys flying to Vegas to pitch the Malone firing to Vivek... it wouldn't surprise me a bit if it was a completely made-up story, from a bunch of guys who lie easily and naturally. There had to be a longer term effort that took place over a longer period of time. Can't believe Mullin and Pete served up an "ah ha" moment for Vivek which made him destroy his franchise. I bet Vivek was the irritant all along.
Amick has just added more detail to his latest story:
Link here: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ngs-coach-tyrone-corbin-george-karl/23035431/
Link here: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ngs-coach-tyrone-corbin-george-karl/23035431/
That Cousins stuff is obviously the biggest fear and the biggest bummer. For a lot of reasons. With that being said, I'm not even sure what we are supposed to believe at this point.
Who benefits from this getting out? The Kings. Cousins looks like the bad guy. He gets hammered for blocking a hall of fame coach from coming here. Peer pressure, etc. His camp reluctantly agrees because of the PR hit / common sense. That's one way to look at it.
Because Cousins may or may not get a long with Karl, but that should be between Cousins and Karl. Not prior relationships with agents and coaching and assistants and whatever. That's not how you build or break a relationship.
If the Kings DON'T hire Karl, they can point towards this as the reason why and put the blame on Boogie's agents. They look OK either way.
This is already starting off on a bad foot, though. Can it be ok? obviously. But not the ideal way to hire a new head coach.
I'm also not even sure I buy any of it. As we supposed to believe one players agent has the ability to keep a coach like George Karl from getting hired? Fegan has clients all over the NBA. He's really trying to keep Karl out of the league? These things just don't add up to me.
Fegan can highjack 24 games of the Kings season, then ultimately decide Karl is OK?
Who benefits from this getting out? The Kings. Cousins looks like the bad guy. He gets hammered for blocking a hall of fame coach from coming here. Peer pressure, etc. His camp reluctantly agrees because of the PR hit / common sense. That's one way to look at it.
Because Cousins may or may not get a long with Karl, but that should be between Cousins and Karl. Not prior relationships with agents and coaching and assistants and whatever. That's not how you build or break a relationship.
If the Kings DON'T hire Karl, they can point towards this as the reason why and put the blame on Boogie's agents. They look OK either way.
This is already starting off on a bad foot, though. Can it be ok? obviously. But not the ideal way to hire a new head coach.
I'm also not even sure I buy any of it. As we supposed to believe one players agent has the ability to keep a coach like George Karl from getting hired? Fegan has clients all over the NBA. He's really trying to keep Karl out of the league? These things just don't add up to me.
Fegan can highjack 24 games of the Kings season, then ultimately decide Karl is OK?
Cuz's agents damn well should be bitter. Our GM and owner sabotaged his 5th season and fired the coach he backed without one good reason to do so. And they also have dealings with Karl behind the scenes and know better than you or I what type of a guy Karl is and how their personalities might mesh, which is a legit concern. Cuz and his agents should have their hands all over the next coaching hire as if it's the wrong one, they'll likely bolt Sac for good. When you do what you did with Malone without Cuz's backing, you damn well better make the next hire with his backing. We need him more than he needs us. Our success over the next decade fully depends on whether Cuz is here or not, while he can go to almost any other team and lift them.
The children here are the ones who created this mess.
BTW, one should hope it's Cuz's people leaking this and not our FO who would be attempting to bill Cuz as the holdup.
The children here are the ones who created this mess.
BTW, one should hope it's Cuz's people leaking this and not our FO who would be attempting to bill Cuz as the holdup.
I'm sure that the conversations going on with Karl and the Kings has got to be a two way street. Karl is in a position to ask questions as well. He's no rookie and should not be treated that way. If I'm Karl, I'm asking....What the **** happened with Malone? I'd want to know that up front. Both sides have got to be up front with each other. If the FO wants an up tempo pace then, knowing this is what Karl does, they have to be in agreement that this is what will work best.
The potential to be on the same page is there with both groups. I think the FO would be wise to take Karl's input after the season about the roster though. Lets face it, initially Sessions was a good signing but for whatever reasons, he's been a disaster. PDA needs to be reasonable and open his eyes to some of the moves and not dig in his heels on some players. Hiring Karl gives us a direction with a qualified guy...as qualified as a move as we can make. It's a major coup for the FO after the disastrous firing of Malone and gets people excited and hopeful again.
If for some reason, Orlando hires Karl, God help us.
The potential to be on the same page is there with both groups. I think the FO would be wise to take Karl's input after the season about the roster though. Lets face it, initially Sessions was a good signing but for whatever reasons, he's been a disaster. PDA needs to be reasonable and open his eyes to some of the moves and not dig in his heels on some players. Hiring Karl gives us a direction with a qualified guy...as qualified as a move as we can make. It's a major coup for the FO after the disastrous firing of Malone and gets people excited and hopeful again.
If for some reason, Orlando hires Karl, God help us.
David Aldridge @daldridgetnt
Kings' talks with @CoachKarl22 picked up once Vivek Ranadive feared he'd lose his top choice to Orlando, per source.
If true, Vivek was just going to sit on his hands and do nothing while this season played out the way it has and he's now pushing for Karl because his hand is being forced.
Kings' talks with @CoachKarl22 picked up once Vivek Ranadive feared he'd lose his top choice to Orlando, per source.
If true, Vivek was just going to sit on his hands and do nothing while this season played out the way it has and he's now pushing for Karl because his hand is being forced.
The comment from Karl that he would stay in is lane.....I don't know what to make of it. I mean, the best case scenario would be that PDA and Karl would be in constant communication over the roster. Karl coaches, comes to the conclusion that a guy or guys may not fit what they want to do and then PDA goes to work on trades. Meanwhile, Vivek just gets the hell out of the way. This is how it's supposed to be..not this new trend of the GM calling the shots at all times (this includes how to run a team on the floor...it's the coaches job, PDA!
That David Aldridge tweet doesn't really fit the narrative of what's been happening. At all.
Orlando hasn't contacted Karl. Karl said as much. It would benefit him to say they have even if they didn't. And Karl has said he wants to coach in the West. He'd take this job over the Orlando job, if I had a guess.
I think the failure level of the Corbin era is a much more logical explanation for the recent urgency to hire someone. The Kings haven't been bad, they've been horrible. The team is crumbling. That and timing. The Kings have a lot of days off around the All-Star break this year.
Orlando hasn't contacted Karl. Karl said as much. It would benefit him to say they have even if they didn't. And Karl has said he wants to coach in the West. He'd take this job over the Orlando job, if I had a guess.
I think the failure level of the Corbin era is a much more logical explanation for the recent urgency to hire someone. The Kings haven't been bad, they've been horrible. The team is crumbling. That and timing. The Kings have a lot of days off around the All-Star break this year.
I was thinking the same thing. Bizarre all the way around. If he is your first choice, get him. Why throw away 24 games of a season ****ing around?
And I think that if Cousins and Karl can get along, Cousin's agents can go **** themselves about some hurt feelings from a few years ago. The contract is signed and he is not a FA for years. Do they want their client to succeed or not? If so, I would think that Karl is a better option than suffering under Corbin. Hopefully Cousins can "explain" that to them.
And I think that if Cousins and Karl can get along, Cousin's agents can go **** themselves about some hurt feelings from a few years ago. The contract is signed and he is not a FA for years. Do they want their client to succeed or not? If so, I would think that Karl is a better option than suffering under Corbin. Hopefully Cousins can "explain" that to them.
Ah, yes, but it was you who brought up Demarcus as being the only reason for Karl to come here. Just wanted to point out you've been bashing Demarcus every chance you get over the past month everywhere as being terrible and a big reason for the losing.
Now he's the sole reason to come here.
Just pointing out the inconsistency there.
Demarcus play under Corbin vs theoretical Karl vs Corbin is absolutely relevant. It might be the biggest issue. By far. Is Boogie on board with Karl, and is Karl on board with Boogie?
Now he's the sole reason to come here.
Just pointing out the inconsistency there.
Demarcus play under Corbin vs theoretical Karl vs Corbin is absolutely relevant. It might be the biggest issue. By far. Is Boogie on board with Karl, and is Karl on board with Boogie?
We don't really know whether this is Fegan holding a grudge from previous experiences with Karl or whether Cuz doesn't want Karl. Or a combination of both. If Cuz wants Karl and it's mainly Fegan playing games, I'd feel better as what Cuz wants is most important.
In general though, it would be odd for Cuz to back a coaching hire and for his agent to go against it and prevent that hiring from happening. Not sure I buy that. Does it really make sense that the guys not on the same page right now are Cuz and his agent, or given the leaks from our FO constantly and consistently, that they're trying to shift the blame onto Cuz's people? As the first question which will be asked upon hiring Karl is "why did we not do it over the last two months?". The blame for that falls squarely on our GM and owner, unless they try to shift the blame elsewhere.
Something here really stinks.
In general though, it would be odd for Cuz to back a coaching hire and for his agent to go against it and prevent that hiring from happening. Not sure I buy that. Does it really make sense that the guys not on the same page right now are Cuz and his agent, or given the leaks from our FO constantly and consistently, that they're trying to shift the blame onto Cuz's people? As the first question which will be asked upon hiring Karl is "why did we not do it over the last two months?". The blame for that falls squarely on our GM and owner, unless they try to shift the blame elsewhere.
Something here really stinks.
lol, where have I bashed Cousins? You mean I critiqued him? Cousins himself said that he needs to play better... he's basically said he's not playing well... how is it any different than what I've said?
You make it sound like I hate Demarcus Cousins and that I think he's the worst thing ever to happen to Sacramento.
Everyone knows Cousins is talented as hell. I've said he's arguable the best center in the NBA, and you come at me with this BS Chubbs?
I said he's not playing well RIGHT NOW. I have never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever said anything like "Cousins IS why the Kings are losing. He's not a franchise player. He's not a leader. He's not a good player. He eats garbage." I've never said anything like that. What's wrong with me pointing out that he's not playing at a very high level RIGHT NOW? HE'S EVEN SAID IT HIMSELF.
And you call me the troll.... and like I said, leave this thread for Karl news, and not whatever you have against me. There's other threads for that.
You make it sound like I hate Demarcus Cousins and that I think he's the worst thing ever to happen to Sacramento.
Everyone knows Cousins is talented as hell. I've said he's arguable the best center in the NBA, and you come at me with this BS Chubbs?
I said he's not playing well RIGHT NOW. I have never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever said anything like "Cousins IS why the Kings are losing. He's not a franchise player. He's not a leader. He's not a good player. He eats garbage." I've never said anything like that. What's wrong with me pointing out that he's not playing at a very high level RIGHT NOW? HE'S EVEN SAID IT HIMSELF.
And you call me the troll.... and like I said, leave this thread for Karl news, and not whatever you have against me. There's other threads for that.
If we hire Karl, we will have three head coaches under salary. Maybe the money hang up is that we try to get some other team to take Corbin and/or Malone. Also, Karl may very well want his own coaching staff and that adds to the money problems.
If Vivek severs his monetary relationship with Mullin, my faith in him will be resumed. Giving up a friend for the good of the team is a huge move as far as I'm concerned. Vivek has way too many people under contract and Karl may want to add more. Ooops.
If Vivek severs his monetary relationship with Mullin, my faith in him will be resumed. Giving up a friend for the good of the team is a huge move as far as I'm concerned. Vivek has way too many people under contract and Karl may want to add more. Ooops.
If DMC is holding up the Karl hiring, it is such a depressing development - my mind is blown right now. I hope they find a way to smooth it all over. If they are bringing in Karl and DMC is holding his nose... that's just bad.
I hope somebody can lend a perspective on this that 'might' be true, and save's everyone's dignity. If DMC is adamant - I don't know if giving Karl a 5 year contract is the answer after all.
Who DOES cuz want? Does anybody know his thinking on this?
I hope somebody can lend a perspective on this that 'might' be true, and save's everyone's dignity. If DMC is adamant - I don't know if giving Karl a 5 year contract is the answer after all.
Who DOES cuz want? Does anybody know his thinking on this?
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