Fire Ty Corbin!

[rainmaker]

Firing Ty Corbin at this point is not going to solve any of our long-term problems. The front office has made it clear they're keeping him around for the rest of the season while they conduct an in-depth and exhaustive search for the next HC. We may not like it, but it does make better sense than simply firing any coach who does not immediately turn this team around.

Yet, they just fired a coach who did in fact, help turn this team around. It being "better" is relative to the disaster they already created. The in-depth and exhaustive search comes before you fire the successful coach, not afterwards while you're running the season into the ground and risking long-term commitment from your top two players and crapping all over our reputation around the league which could have some real negative effects in the FA market, not to mention losing some of the fan base and in general, becoming the laughingstock of the NBA.

So while not firing Corbin without a replacement might make more sense, that's only in relation to the cluster**** of stupidity they've recently shown. The reason firing Corbin now in and of itself won't solve and longer-term problems is because our FO and owner have shown zero ability to develop a good plan going forward and execute said plan. There's no reason to believe the successor would be any better or that they even have the ability to identify the right successor. This is after all the FO and owner who thought promoting Corbin would make us better this year and lead us to the playoffs, this year.

I don't know about you but in life when I see someone make an egregious error due to terrible judgement and lack of foresight, I have little confidence that will somehow turn to a positive the next go-around. Sure we can hope, but you know what they say, hope in one hand, **** in the other and see which one fills up first.

 

[IfAt1st]

You have a similar problem as Grant. His is more cynical/protecting of his own ass, but over time your inherent homer forces you to accept anything the Kings do and make excuses for it. But very little the Kings have done for a very long time is actually excusable. Which is why we have been the least successful team in the NBA for nearly a decade. Its not because we have made good moves.

Holy crap, I wish I could Like this part x 100.

Most fans, and most Sacramentans, are a pliable, placid bunch of personalities that will go along with whatever authority figure tells them, especially if they use optimistic appeals of authority (i.e. "We know a lot, are more experienced, you owe us allegiance for saving your team", etc etc etc).

They want to give the benefit of any facts to the authority group/person, Assuming Best Intentions despite what is out there in front of everyone to see and hear. They want to believe There Is A Plan. They want to Hope for the best.
Because what terrifies them the most is if the authority figures are incompetent, or lying, then their team is in bigger trouble then they want to admit.

It's not just different approaches to fandom - it's different approaches to life.
In my life, and my family, I make sure to tackle problems right away, with the tenacity of a bulldog, until they are identified and resolved. It causes friction and heartache, but it roots out the real problems and they don't fester or limp along wasting time effort and money until they sabotage the team's (family's) goals.

Which is why I think Corbin SHOULD be fired now (rather than later), and some coach should be found that Vivek, PDA and Mullin can say "Here's the guy that shares our vision and can help us to bring it on the court."
But see, they're not going to do that because that would simply blow up sooner, rather than later, and reveal their WRONG style this year, instead of next.
We simply can;t afford Vivek and co. to blow this season off to find a replacement coach. What if implementing this Run & Gun, high-paced offense is a tragic failure? We simply cannot afford another lost season next year for them to implement what they say they want. They need to be on the hook NOW for their stated "Pace/style" vision. They need to show us what was so important that they blew up this incredibly promising start for - they can't just placate us with empty promises and make us wait for next season to implement ANYthing!

I mean, the whole thing is rather pathetic - it's like they are proving that they have little confidence in their vision, because they need everything to be perfect and the stars align and their coach has to come in with tons of support during the offseason to make it work. Frankly, that predicts failure on their coach's part before they even find him, because if everything is so fragile it has to be Just Right for it to be successful, it's a guarantee things will get rough and if he couldn't handle it coming in this year, why would it be so different after an offseason? Things aren't really going to be magically easier another year down the road - there will be enormous contract pressures, the looming stadium build will be huge, and if Cousins puts an ultimatum on the front office like Kobe did in LA, it will be a hell environment (and Vivek thinks its difficult NOW?!)

 

[sdballer]

That's not fair. Grant put his career on the line with his rant that started the whole PDA on the radio thing. I'm sure he was being honest - you could hear it in his voice.

Grant was right. People do need to get over the Malone firing, just like we had to get over the Webber trade. It's done. Malone isn't coming back..

Totally disagree. The purpose of the displeasure shown here and other places (including ticket sales) is to hold the FO's feet to the fire until a more thoughtful and executable plan to improve the kings begins.

I have little use for grant finally hopping on a soap box demanding the same thing only to just as quickly get off and suggest its time to move on when nothing has changed.

That's how you get years of maloof led nonsense while always "being patient". No more of that. Ownership needs to understand we are wiser now and while we don't think Malone was a HOF coach, while we know he isn't coming back, that we won't get over it and go back to being docile, supportive fans.

Too bad for Vivek that he inherited the scorned fanbase but we're smarter now and won't be treated that way again.

 

[rhythmless]

I wish I could fire the people who were responsible for the product on the floor and ruining what was already better than expected.

Fire Corbin? I'd rather fire PDA and give Vivek the boot. Corbin's done nothing wrong, while PDA and Vivek are the ones responsible for this mess.

 

[Peter_Gibbons]

How about if we fire Corbin, Vivek makes himself the coach. Let him put in his nutcase plays and schemes and he makes such a fool of himself that the minority owners collectively force him out. Mark Mastrov or Shaq takes over.

 

[IfAt1st]

How about if we fire Corbin, Vivek makes himself the coach. Let him put in his nutcase plays and schemes and he makes such a fool of himself that the minority owners collectively force him out.

Tragically, that absurdity would actually inarguably be a BETTER future for this team/franchise.
It would expose the wrong-headed style, it would root out the problems in the organization in a quicker fashion, and things would be put back on a improving direction sooner rather than later.

Mark Mastrov or Shaq takes over.

However, putting Shaq in charge would be a blunder of colossal proportions.
Did KF's suddenly forget what Shaq is like? Did we collectively buy the PR and cult of personality that surrounds him?
We, of all fanbases, should be smarter than that.

IMO, Shaq is a dumb, dumb guy.* I don't know if he's dumb for a professional athlete but he sure is compared to a typical front office person - he has gotten by purely on his physical skills and his charisma. He is nowhere near smart enough to be in a front office. He's never had to analyze anything or be intellectual or give mental effort in his life. Even on TNT, he just says the superficial things on the top of his mind. Do we really think someone who can't even put the effort in to make a cogent argument on national TV is qualified to run our team? (And remember - he's a horrendous person on top of all that)
Unless other GM's will just give him great deals because of how much a fan of his they are, he would make an incredibly bad front office guy. He can't just bully front offices into giving him what he wants, and he can't smile and joke and get the Kings the personnel they need to be better, keeping in mind all the salary cap criteria/restrictions.

* If a long-time Kings fan (of all people) cannot believe Shaq is dumb, and you feel like defending Shaq's intelligence - I don't know what fandom has come to these days.

 

[kingsboi]

There is no need to fire him, he will be gone by seasons end anyway. Just have to suck it up for these remaining 40 games or so and hope he stays far far away from head coaching again...he can be a helpful assistant though.

 

[rainmaker]

I have little use for grant finally hopping on a soap box demanding the same thing only to just as quickly get off and suggest its time to move on when nothing has changed.

That's how you get years of maloof led nonsense while always "being patient". No more of that.

If KJ and the fan base at large took on that attitude, basically "what'll be will be so get over it", we wouldn't have a team in Sac right now.

I can't tell you how misplaced the argument is to sit back and simply accept what is, as that's the polar opposite of what kept this f'ing team in this city and why our fans are considered some of the best across this nation's pro sports landscape.

 

[VF21]

Totally disagree. The purpose of the displeasure shown here and other places (including ticket sales) is to hold the FO's feet to the fire until a more thoughtful and executable plan to improve the kings begins.

I have little use for grant finally hopping on a soap box demanding the same thing only to just as quickly get off and suggest its time to move on when nothing has changed.

That's how you get years of maloof led nonsense while always "being patient". No more of that. Ownership needs to understand we are wiser now and while we don't think Malone was a HOF coach, while we know he isn't coming back, that we won't get over it and go back to being docile, supportive fans.

Too bad for Vivek that he inherited the scorned fanbase but we're smarter now and won't be treated that way again.

We the fans can voice our displeasure without Grant. He's in a very unique situation. If you want to continue to rant about him, that's cool. I just don't happen to agree.

And I am not going to belabor the Malone firing much more because it's over. We can bemoan the current product on the floor and lack of leadership by the coach, but to continue to cry about Malone being gone is like crying over Webber. It's not going to change anything. That's what Grant is saying: Save your passion for things you can do something about. Trying to get the front office to change their minds about Malone is just non-productive IMHO.

It's not about being patient. It's about knowing which windmill to tilt at.

 

[VF21]

If KJ and the fan base at large took on that attitude, basically "what'll be will be so get over it", we wouldn't have a team in Sac right now.

I can't tell you how misplaced the argument is to sit back and simply accept what is, as that's the polar opposite of what kept this f'ing team in this city and why our fans are considered some of the best across this nation's pro sports landscape.

Again, it's not about accepting something that hasn't yet happened. The Malone situation is different in that the deed was OVER AND DONE before we even knew about it and it's not something fans can change anyway. The sale to Hansen was NOT over and done. We were able to turn it around because our fight was to block something THAT HAD NOT YET OCCURRED.

Nobody is saying to sit back and simply accept what is... I, at least, am saying be smart enough to know what battle to fight. Trying to get Malone back isn't going to do anything. The King is dead, long live the King. What we might have a voice in is the ascension of the new King, not the resurrection of the old one.

 

[VF21]

You have a similar problem as Grant. His is more cynical/protecting of his own ass, but over time your inherent homer forces you to accept anything the Kings do and make excuses for it. But very little the Kings have done for a very long time is actually excusable. Which is why we have been the least successful team in the NBA for nearly a decade. Its not because we have made good moves.

And no, I never forgave the Maloofs for Adelman or Webber, nor should anybody.

And no, I am not going to "get over firing Malone" because it was stupid and damaging and destroyed a season. Its risked more than that because Cousins doesn't need us anymore. The perpetrators need to continue to experience humiliation and financial pain right up until the point they correct things, and probably more importantly correct their defective philosophy.

As an aside, Mike Malone was a +.500 coach for us whenever he was given a chance to. He didn't win 28 games last year. Management won 28 games last year floating through 23 different players, making major in season trades, insisting on playing kids, intentionally creating roster imbalances and refusing to correct them. What Malone did do was play .500 ball when Cuz/Rudy/IT were all available to him. And he was doing better than that this year before he lost his main guy again. Rick Adelman himself did no better in his last few years in Minny. Creating a rapport with your players IS coaching in the NBA. Malone is going to be somebody's winning coach given the right situation.

I would greatly appreciate it if you did not make this personal. Your opinions are always loud and forceful but that does not mean they are always right. And your suggestions for methods of dealing with the problems for the best future outcome aren't the only ones.

But whatever. I'll let everyone continue their vitriolic rants against Grant, against PDA, against Vivek, and against anyone who disagrees. I'm still going to be a Kings fan and I'm still going to express my opinion even if some try to shout it down. I have that right.

 

[sdballer]

We the fans can voice our displeasure without Grant. He'

And I am not going to belabor the Malone firing much more because it's over. We can bemoan the current product on the floor and lack of leadership by the coach, but to continue to cry about Malone being gone is like crying over Webber. It's not going to change anything. That's what Grant is saying: Save your passion for things you can do something about. Trying to get the front office to change their minds about Malone is just non-productive IMHO.

It's not about being patient. It's about knowing which windmill to tilt at.

I didn't put grant in his tricky dual role nor did any of the fans. He chose to be in the careers he did and when that creates a challenge, I get it but I'm not going to excuse him for his frequently hypocritical and self-serving behavior.

With regards to the other part of the discussion, this isn't about trying to get them to rehire Malone. Not even sure why you are trying to suggest it is. The complaints that people are suggesting we need to "let go of" are about the foolishness of dismissing him without a plan, the words/actions to explain that decision and the fears over what this group is planning for the the future.

There is an obvious attempt to shift the current tone of the fans and I find it offensive. I've been a fan of the kings for almost 30 years and I've seen a lot of ugly. In all that time, I don't know if I've seen an ownership group/FO behave so condescendingly toward the fanbase.

 

[VF21]

I didn't put grant in his tricky dual role nor did any of the fans. He chose to be in the careers he did and when that creates a challenge, I get it but I'm not going to excuse him for his frequently hypocritical and self-serving behavior.

With regards to the other part of the discussion, this isn't about trying to get them to rehire Malone. Not even sure why you are trying to suggest it is. The complaints that people are suggesting we need to "let go of" are about the foolishness of dismissing him without a plan, the words/actions to explain that decision and the fears over what this group is planning for the the future.

There is an obvious attempt to shift the current tone of the fans and I find it offensive. I've been a fan of the kings for almost 30 years and I've seen a lot of ugly. In all that time, I don't know if I've seen an ownership group/FO behave so condescendingly toward the fanbase.

Has the ownership group/FO made mistakes? Oh, hell yes. Are they beyond repair? Nope.

I am not an angry person by nature. It's just not very productive IMHO. It's not the best way to move forward and luckily it's not the only way. I can find ways to voice my disapproval without continuing to bash the people with whom I have disagreements. And, in this instance, I think the message has been heard loud and clear that the fan base is not happy with how the Malone situation was handled, they fully expect more from the GM and front office, and they're going to voice their displeasure in various ways.

Grant said his piece in his rant. I'm pretty sure he was very close to crossing the same line that got Carmichael Dave fired once upon a time. Now he's saying that people need to move on. I don't see that as a betrayal of anything. And remember, I've never been a big fan of Grant's.

At this point, I'm going to bow out of this argument and let those of you with so much pent up anger continue to rage. I said what I felt needed to be said. I don't expect to change any of your minds. I'm just expressing another viewpoint of not only myself, but a number of other fans who have as much right to their opinion on this issue as you and some of the other very vocal posters have to yours.

Have a nice day...and GO KINGS!

 

[9x1x6]

Corbin's to worried about his job to be developing rookies.

 

[sdballer]

I would greatly appreciate it if you did not make this personal. Your opinions are always loud and forceful but that does not mean they are always right. And your suggestions for methods of dealing with the problems for the best future outcome aren't the only ones.

But whatever. I'll let everyone continue their vitriolic rants against Grant, against PDA, against Vivek, and against anyone who disagrees. I'm still going to be a Kings fan and I'm still going to express my opinion even if some try to shout it down. I have that right.

This is where you lose me. You were part of these vitriolic rants a few days ago. Now that you've decided to move on, we're the rabid ones trying to shout you down?

Of course you're free to decide how to react to this stuff but easy on labeling the group you were just a part of.

 

[rainmaker]

Again, it's not about accepting something that hasn't yet happened. The Malone situation is different in that the deed was OVER AND DONE before we even knew about it and it's not something fans can change anyway. The sale to Hansen was NOT over and done. We were able to turn it around because our fight was to block something THAT HAD NOT YET OCCURRED.

Nobody is saying to sit back and simply accept what is... I, at least, am saying be smart enough to know what battle to fight. Trying to get Malone back isn't going to do anything. The King is dead, long live the King. What we might have a voice in is the ascension of the new King, not the resurrection of the old one.

I don't know what you're arguing against here. Who's arguing we can change the fact that Malone was fired or is arguing to get Malone back?

None of this is about changing the past, it's about applying enough pressure so our idiot GM and confused owner strongly consider changing their "plan" which has blown up in their faces and killed off this season, and potentially more. You appear to misunderstand my post. When you refer to fans voicing their opinions about something which has not yet occurred, replacing Corbin has not yet occurred. Therefor, being vocal about disliking their plan to build around pace/style and showing our preference for what we had under Malone may very well in fact have an impact on their next hire, as well as showing we can see right through their nonsense about promoting Corbin making us a better team and leading us to the postseason. And that should be the hope. Boiling it down to "wanting to bring back Malone" is a straw man argument no one is making and is not the issue. It's about applying as much pressure as possible due to that mistake so history doesn't repeat itself with our next hire and if there's hope, it's the hope a pissed off fan base can influence the next hire.

 

[VF21]

I don't know what you're arguing against here. Who's arguing we can change the fact that Malone was fired or is arguing to get Malone back?

None of this is about changing the past, it's about applying enough pressure so our idiot GM and confused owner strongly consider changing their "plan" which has blown up in their faces and killed off this season, and potentially more. You appear to misunderstand my post. When you refer to fans voicing their opinions about something which has not yet occurred, replacing Corbin has not yet occurred. Therefor, being vocal about disliking their plan to build around pace/style and showing our preference for what we had under Malone may very well in fact have an impact on their next hire, as well as showing we can see right through their nonsense about promoting Corbin making us a better team and leading us to the postseason. And that should be the hope. Boiling it down to "wanting to bring back Malone" is a straw man argument no one is making and is not the issue. It's about applying as much pressure as possible due to that mistake so history doesn't repeat itself with our next hire and if there's hope, it's the hope a pissed off fan base can influence the next hire.

On that part, you and I are in total and complete agreement. I'm saying what I think Grant may be saying. Change the approach of the rhetoric. Instead of focusing on Malone, which we cannot do anything about, focus on who will replace Corbin. I saw a couple of comments (perhaps on Twitter - my bad) that actually were still very adamant about wanting to bring Malone back. Hence my comment. It was not and is not a straw man.

I hate the idea of focusing on style and pace. I hate the idea of our Kings becoming the NBA version of the Reno Bighorns. Those are things that can be impacted and our voices might make a difference.

 

[VF21]

This is where you lose me. You were part of these vitriolic rants a few days ago. Now that you've decided to move on, we're the rabid ones trying to shout you down?

Of course you're free to decide how to react to this stuff but easy on labeling the group you were just a part of.

My comment was addressed to Bricklayer. I responded to you separately.

 

[ArcoKings]

Corbin is in a very tough spot. He knows he's gone at the end of the season unless some how, some way the team miraculously resurrects and finishes close to or at .500. I would imagine the FO rewards him. I honestly doubt this scenario plays out. The FO will not fire Corbin until the end of the season. If the FO terminated him now it would mean to me that the FO is saying they made a mistake placing TC as HC. They are going to have to sit there and suffer along with the fan base for a few more months while supporting their coach. I doubt we'll have 28 wins this year. What a mess. What a disappointment.

 

[King Baller]

That's not fair. Grant put his career on the line with his rant that started the whole PDA on the radio thing. I'm sure he was being honest - you could hear it in his voice.

Grant was right. People do need to get over the Malone firing, just like we had to get over the Webber trade. It's done. Malone isn't coming back.

And this thing about Malone doing a pretty good job? Read our old game threads. How many of us (me included) were furious with Malone a lot of times for ridiculous substitutions, waiting way too long to get our starters back on the court, drawing up stupid end-of-game plays that always involved Rudy on an iso, etc. Malone's only real strength was that he got the guys to buy into playing some defense but at what cost? There were still turnovers, there were still a lot of blown plays, there were still times when you wanted to throw things at your TV in frustration.

Malone did create a rapport with his players, but it took him a year to do it. Remember, he was the coach last year and we won 28 games. Malone was never going to be Rick Adelman. We supported him and applauded him primarily because he understood the importance of defense. Unfortunately, it was becoming pretty clear he didn't know how to close out games and his management of player minutes, etc. was always in question.

So let's not build the statue to Mike Malone quite yet. And let's not be quite so quick to turn on Napear. He drives me nuts at times, too, but I don't know of too many broadcast guys who would go on their own radio show and call out management the way he did without being in the unemployment line the next morning.

VF21, I realize you quoted a post that quoted my post

I did not appreciate Grant telling me when I should "get over" the firing of Malone. Please don't tell me what I need to get over. In my opinion the Malone firing set the Kings back at least a season and a half.

You also denigrate Malone's accomplishments in a way similar to PDA. When told fans may not renew their season tickets PDA stated "Over a Coach?"

I am not trying to make this personal as I respect you and generally agree with you.

But in this case having watched Vivek, Mullin and PDA extinguish a little flicker of basketball success in Sacramento centered around a starting five that was rated number 1 defensively I do beg to differ.

Very best regards,
KB

 

[Pacboy]

I fully back Ty Corbin and I hope that he makes the very best of the chance he was given. The FO saw something in him that made them willing to take a chance with him. It seems like most labeled him a failure the day he got the job. It would be awesome if he proved his doubters wrong.

Btw, this season is not a failure or has not been destroyed by the FO. It was doubtful that we were going to make the playoffs before DMC got sick and it was very doubtful once he did get sick - with or without Malone. It looks like it could take a 50 win season to hit the 8th seed. How likely would it be for us to win 50 games with DMC missing as many games as he already has?

Plus, any season that the Kings are playing in Sactown is not a failed season.

I did not agree with the Malone firing either. However, I have moved on with my Kings journey and still enjoy watching all the games - the good, the bad and the ugly.

Yea, they saw that he's cheap and has no backbone to challenge whatever crap system they want him to play.

 

[upinsmoke]

"Why would we do that"

-PDA-

 

[randymoss1881]

That's not fair. Grant put his career on the line with his rant that started the whole PDA on the radio thing. I'm sure he was being honest - you could hear it in his voice.

Grant was right. People do need to get over the Malone firing, just like we had to get over the Webber trade. It's done. Malone isn't coming back.

And this thing about Malone doing a pretty good job? Read our old game threads. How many of us (me included) were furious with Malone a lot of times for ridiculous substitutions, waiting way too long to get our starters back on the court, drawing up stupid end-of-game plays that always involved Rudy on an iso, etc. Malone's only real strength was that he got the guys to buy into playing some defense but at what cost? There were still turnovers, there were still a lot of blown plays, there were still times when you wanted to throw things at your TV in frustration.

Malone did create a rapport with his players, but it took him a year to do it. Remember, he was the coach last year and we won 28 games. Malone was never going to be Rick Adelman. We supported him and applauded him primarily because he understood the importance of defense. Unfortunately, it was becoming pretty clear he didn't know how to close out games and his management of player minutes, etc. was always in question.

So let's not build the statue to Mike Malone quite yet. And let's not be quite so quick to turn on Napear. He drives me nuts at times, too, but I don't know of too many broadcast guys who would go on their own radio show and call out management the way he did without being in the unemployment line the next morning.

I hate when people say this Malone was in his 2nd year of course he would have some weakness. Coach Pop wasn't Pop from year 1. Also if he had an average bench we wouldn't be talking about blown leads

 

[bloom]

1. The Kings should have just fired Malone during the summer.

2. But since they fired him during the season, they should have went and hired George Karl as soon as Malone was gone. The sad part is, that I think that the Kings just want to hire Mullin next year. Copying what Golden State is doing.

3. The other sad part is, that neither Vivek, Mullin & Pete understand that our roster isn’t even close to looking like the Warriors team. That’s the alarming thing. You want that style, you need to bring in those types of players. They keep saying fast paced. And I love me some 2000 look kings and I think we can play that way, but right now you have to understand your personnel. Demarcus can go a little faster but you don’t want to run him in the ground by playing with speed ball.

4. Just seeing how they handled the firing, the timing of the fire, the stupid 4 on 5, etc…I don’t see why any player would look at coming here - unless they need a job and we’re the only option. We were starting to turn this Franchise around, especially after the bad image that the Maloofs gave and then we turn around and go all Maloof.

5. Corbin, unless he turns this thing around…and based on how I see him coaching and how lost and frustrated our players are…will probably not get another head coaching position, at least for a really long time.

6. I still love to see George Karl hired right now. I think it would help the guys get back on the same page. Learn the system sooner rather than next year, understand that he’s the coach. Give stability.

7. I don’t know about anybody else but I think the Owner has a eye for flavor of the month/year. We drafted Ben, Vivek was crazy about him, the they want to draft Nik and Ben “needs to go,” they see a D-League guy and Nik isn’t so pretty anymore.

This alone makes me worried. They don’t understand stability and they don’t understand that things take time. I’m sure they would have fired Pop if he were here.

Corbin said it was "matchups" that stopped Nik playing…

I never understand when coaches play that game. If you want Nik to be in rotation, then matchups shouldn’t be brought up. I’d rather have Nik learn and go out and play, and learn to become a better defensive player than sit him out and expect him to become the player you want him to be while he sits.

And I personally want to see Nik grow, and be a big part of this team. I hope him and Ben can become a nice duo.

And what happens is Nik stinks up the court? Will people embrace Corbin, saying at least he's trying to develop the kid? This whole thing is a poopoostorm right now. It's not going to help anybody to toss Nik out there into the deep water when he can barely tread water at this point.

If they want to help Nik (and him being a lottery pick at this point is beyond irrelevant), they need to send him down to the D-League where he will get about a bazillion chances to get his shot back.

Firing Ty Corbin at this point is not going to solve any of our long-term problems. The front office has made it clear they're keeping him around for the rest of the season while they conduct an in-depth and exhaustive search for the next HC. We may not like it, but it does make better sense than simply firing any coach who does not immediately turn this team around.

Personally, I’d rather see Nik on the court & that’s the last thing that I’d blame Corbin for. Developing Nik in short stints during every game is more important than blaming it on matchups.

Yea, they saw that he's cheap and has no backbone to challenge whatever crap system they want him to play.

I agree….and people expect our guys to buy into him?

 

[Prince_XY]

3. The other sad part is, that neither Vivek, Mullin & Pete understand that our roster isn’t even close to looking like the Warriors team. That’s the alarming thing. You want that style, you need to bring in those types of players. They keep saying fast paced. And I love me some 2000 look kings and I think we can play that way, but right now you have to understand your personnel. Demarcus can go a little faster but you don’t want to run him in the ground by playing with speed ball.

This is so confusing and needs to be clarified with a reliable quote please. Sorry, I probably missed the article that says they want to copy the Warriors. I remember reading an article stating they like us to play like the old glorious Kings (not the Warriors) who from time to time played a fast-pace exciting game. I think it is doable, because we have a bigger and a more talented Webber (in Cousins) to build around.

When did Vivek, Mullin, and PDA stated they want to copy the Warriors team?

 

[KingMilz]

I don't really think any of this is Corbin's fault (is he a terrible coach maybe), the players have not even given him a chance when your squad lacks both intelligence and desire your going nowhere. The players know they can't make the playoffs so why would they try for another coach this season even if they fired Ty?

The players waved the white flag a long time ago.

 

[Pace]

I can see the frustration. I would prefer a coach with a higher established offensive acumen instead of a Malone holdover. I think he knows more than Malone but that's not saying much lol.

I'd give him at least the rest of this season, and probably another to see what he can do. That is unless we can get a guy like George Karl or Mike D to sign.

 

[Spike]

I don't really think any of this is Corbin's fault (is he a terrible coach maybe), the players have not even given him a chance when your squad lacks both intelligence and desire your going nowhere. The players know they can't make the playoffs so why would they try for another coach this season even if they fired Ty?

The players waved the white flag a long time ago.

Good to see that you're back to insulting the players' intelligence. They seemed to understand defense under Malone, no? JT (your favorite target) excelled defensively under Malone. A good teacher gets the best out of his students, and Malone was getting that.

I think it's time to give the IQ thing a rest.

 

[jdbraver]

I can see the frustration. I would prefer a coach with a higher established offensive acumen instead of a Malone holdover. I think he knows more than Malone but that's not saying much lol.

I'd give him at least the rest of this season, and probably another to see what he can do. That is unless we can get a guy like George Karl or Mike D to sign.

Right now it's about bring the team together and getting buy in. X and Os are worthless unless players want to play. Malone was key in getting that done earlier this year. Sorry Pace do not understand the Malone hate. Also I found it off putting when PDA blamed Brandan Malone for leaving.

 

[Spike]

I can see the frustration. I would prefer a coach with a higher established offensive acumen instead of a Malone holdover. I think he knows more than Malone but that's not saying much lol.

I'd give him at least the rest of this season, and probably another to see what he can do. That is unless we can get a guy like George Karl or Mike D to sign.

I would prefer a coach with a higher established offensive acumen instead of a Malone holdover. I think he knows more than Malone but that's not saying much lol.

You're saying a lot right now. And honestly, it's wrong. Malone is a fine coach, and will be a great coach sooner rather than later.

Let's look at Malone's history:

Coached under Van Gundy.
Helped Cleveland, NO, and GSW improve, not coincidentally, defensively.
Clearly had the pedigree of someone you want long term. He was in his 2nd year as head coach, and for the first time since around the turn of the millennium the Kings were establishing an identity.

Let's check out Corbin:

That's his history. Coached under Sloan. Team did not look like Sloan when he took over, and fell apart shortly thereafter. Towards the end he was close to dead last in Offensive Rating, Defensive Rating, and, humorously enough, "Pace".

So yeah, for you to intimate that Corbin is a better coach and deserves as much time as Malone got is beyond ridiculous.