Can the Kings Protest?

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Glaivenomics

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#92
#92
I would love for the call to be reversed...but I bet, in typical NBA fashion, they will call the bad call an "isolated incident" and claim that no other wrong calls have ever been made.
 
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New Era

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#93
Look, I want this thing to get reversed like everybody else does, but I'm just wondering what it is exactly that makes everybody know for sure that they got it wrong? Yes, I agree that the one replay showing the ball possibly changing direction is interesting but they might not have even had that angle, and I'm not sure they could reverse the call from that alone anyway.
 
HereWeBoogie

HereWeBoogie

Hall of Famer
#94
#94
New Era said:
Look, I want this thing to get reversed like everybody else does, but I'm just wondering what it is exactly that makes everybody know for sure that they got it wrong? Yes, I agree that the one replay showing the ball possibly changing direction is interesting but they might not have even had that angle, and I'm not sure they could reverse the call from that alone anyway.
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Lol how not? The ball changed directions in the air. That doesn't happen unless it's touched. It's not rocket science, there is no great mystery as to how the ball changes rotation. It's cut and dry
 
twslam07

twslam07

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New Era said:
Look, I want this thing to get reversed like everybody else does, but I'm just wondering what it is exactly that makes everybody know for sure that they got it wrong? Yes, I agree that the one replay showing the ball possibly changing direction is interesting but they might not have even had that angle, and I'm not sure they could reverse the call from that alone anyway.
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If basketball was played outside where there were weather elements such as wind, you might have a point. But in a gym that has a max windspeed of 0 mph, you would have to be a fool to not think the ball was touched by the evidence that has been provided.

Now should this game have gotten to this point? Hell no, but despite everything we did to try and lose the game, we ended up winning against a very good team on their home floor. Those wins are not always very clean. Even if the Kings are correctly awarded this win, it doesn't mean Coach Malone will be satisfied with the game and not bring up areas to improve.
 
ParniValjak

ParniValjak

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#97
Its obvious that we have been robbed but really, what will the appeal do?! The NBA is not going to change a result of this game. They will give us a token reversal of Cousins' tech which shouldn't have been a tech in the first place.

The result will stand. Hopefully it galvanizes the team. We shouldn't have even been in this position after having a 20+ point lead. Two games in a row we get ahead by a lot, stop playing D and lose. Maybe its a lesson learnt. Or at least it should be!
 
Sac.1989

Sac.1989

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dam straight, we let this slip and we have ourselves to blame. All this talk of external factors is second to the fact that we gave up another lead.

We have come a long way and the reasons these losses hurt is because we all realise we are on the cusp here. This is the hardest part of our schedule and we should have more wins from it. Learning experiences are great but still we need to hold ourselves to a dam higher level and take accountability if we are to truly be great.

Consistency in defense is vital and we dam well should be able to protect a lead of 20 with or without demarcus.
 
HereWeBoogie

HereWeBoogie

Hall of Famer
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1:30 AM and i'm still freakin heated.

And why is it that the video on Instagram on my freakin phone is 5000x better quality than what the officials are using to review the play? The video they looked at looked like it was shot on a Motorola Razr from 2006
 
sterö

sterö

Bench
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#101
Guys, relax! They will not change the result of the game in 10,000,000 million years. Yes, the refs made a mistake, but, honestly, there have been many many more games decided by wrong referee decisions in the past. And again, the Kings deserved to loose this game. The way they played in the final minutes (especially on the last few plays) was unacceptable. Game over, move on to the Spurs.
 
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r00kie

Prospect
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#102
I cant believe the refs freeze frame after the ball was tipped and exclaim they see space, of course they see space because its already passed his hand. Looking at all the angles the ball was tipped with the lower part of his hand not the finger tip.
 
HereWeBoogie

HereWeBoogie

Hall of Famer
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#103
All the people saying the Kings deserve to lose because they played so bad at the end: If a team deserves to lose a game because of a bad stretch of basketball during the game, then i guess the NBA should have ended this game and the Dallas game at the end of the first quarter and awarded us wins then right? Because Dallas and Memphis sure played terrible at the beginning of those games. Guess they didn't deserve to win

Fact is no matter how bad we played, the score when the clock hit 0.000 should have been 110-109 Kings win
 
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The Hammer

All-Star
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HereWeVivek said:
All the people saying the Kings deserve to lose because they played so bad at the end: If a team deserves to lose a game because of a bad stretch of basketball during the game, then i guess the NBA should have ended this game and the Dallas game at the end of the first quarter and awarded us wins then right? Because Dallas and Memphis sure played terrible at the beginning of those games. Guess they didn't deserve to win

Fact is no matter how bad we played, the score when the clock hit 0.000 should have been 110-109 Kings win
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Exactly.

I find the reactions to this peculiar ending to be quite an interesting expose of Kings fans' psyches.
 
IfAt1st

IfAt1st

Starter
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#105
Exactly x2.
I don't know what's gotten into people these days, but IMO you fight for every win, clawing, scratching, and *gasp* protesting if need be.
There is no need to feel dirty, or cheap, or wussy if you are simply fighting for your team's wins through the league's own grievance/protesting policies. It doesn't make the Kings less "manly", and it doesn't make them whiners.
I'd be more worried if the organization just sat down and took it without protesting after a BFing like this.
 
KingsFanGER

KingsFanGER

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The Hammer said:
Exactly.

I find the reactions to this peculiar ending to be quite an interesting expose of Kings fans' psyches.
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Of course you can try to protest.
But a protest won't negate the simple fact, that the team made mistakes, that caused this situation. The protest might give you a reversed outcome of the game (i doubt it, cause I guess the league won't change the call), but the Team still made these mistakes and needs to learn from it.
I don't think it's paradox to say, that we need to take a good look on ourselves for this loss while still being willing to protest.
 
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The Hammer

All-Star
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KingsFanGER said:
Of course you can try to protest.
But a protest won't negate the simple fact, that the team made mistakes, that caused this situation. The protest might give you a reversed outcome of the game (i doubt it, cause I guess the league won't change the call), but the Team still made these mistakes and needs to learn from it.
I don't think it's paradox to say, that we need to take a good look on ourselves for this loss while still being willing to protest.
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Agreed. I'm sure Malone has some choice words for the team.

All that said, in no way does any of that mean that we deserved to lose this game. We deserved to win it. We made mistakes, all that, but we deserved to win. It's not like if you make a mistake or mess up you're a bad boy and you don't get your win treat. No. We won. And the blatantly wrong call at the end cost us the game. That's about as clear as it can be stated.
 
Woogie

Woogie

G-League
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So the random fan with PC has more features to analyze the moment than freaking NBA replay center!? How, just how!? I still can't accept this loss.
I like that the Kings will appeal. At least, in my current mood I see it as the desire to fight for the result at any level. Management are fighting for their players.
 
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The Hammer

All-Star
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Woogie said:
So the random fan with PC has more features to analyze the moment than freaking NBA replay center!? How, just how!? I still can't accept this loss.
I like that the Kings will appeal. At least, in my current mood I see it as the desire to fight for the result at any level. Management are fighting for their players.
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Also exactly again.
 
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fansinceday1

fansinceday1

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I also don't get this We deserved to lose BS. What??
So you don't believe in rules?? You either won or you didn't, and the Kings did win, buuut we didn't. If we can't expect the NBA to follow their own rules then what are we really watching? This isn't some obscure rule. It was 2 OBVIOUS blown calls that were upheld by 3 refs looking at friggin replay!!!! That's what people aren't getting. These calls were easier for the NBA to make (and excuse) BEFORE Instant replay. Now they have ZERO EXCUSE!! Instant replay is there to get it right! If they still can't get it right and STILL won't right an obvious wrong then IMO this isn't worth watching. This is about the INTEGRITY OF THE GAME!!! Dam!! I'm still heated about this game.......
 
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Chubbs

Chubbs

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I haven't been this steamed in years.

Deep down, I love it. :)

Just terrible play combined with terrible unforgivable failure of the replay system.

Coming close to losing leaves a quite diff feel than an actual loss. I'm not a karma guy. I don't think anyone ever "deserves" a win or loss. If I did, I'd have hard time believing Memphis deserved anything.

There's only the evidence. And the Kings won that game despite themselves. How in 2014 can't they see Hollins tipping the ball?

You could hear the official looking at the wrong damn replay. "There's space between his hand and ball." Yeah, no kidding, that's cause he'd already touched it.
 
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Glaivenomics

G-League
#112
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I find it sickening that there is more coverage on "stachegate" than the NBA blowing a call that loses a team a game. Not just this game, but ANY game that has replays, where the refs have all the time in the world to get it right.
 
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swisshh

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New Era said:
Look, I want this thing to get reversed like everybody else does, but I'm just wondering what it is exactly that makes everybody know for sure that they got it wrong? Yes, I agree that the one replay showing the ball possibly changing direction is interesting but they might not have even had that angle, and I'm not sure they could reverse the call from that alone anyway.
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This is my list of problems

1. Ref seem to cherry pick the only angle where the ball doesn't look tipped and you can hear him say out loud that he sees space between hand and ball.
2. Ref doesn't account for ball rotation or velocity.
3. Ref does not measure the time that should have elapsed on the clock, despite this being allowed.

My POV: The replay center needs to operate independently. This ended up wrong because the lead official didn't understand the available tools or science. He did not do his job to the fullest.
 
Fresno King

Fresno King

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1) Hollins tipped the ball.
2) Clock didn't start until Lee releases the shot.
3) Tech on Cousins was bulls**t. He walked away from the officials to the bench and didn't say anything.
4) McLemore needs to make his free throws at the end for a 3 point lead, because you never know...
 
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mac

All-Star
#115
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Fresno King said:
1) Hollins tipped the ball.
2) Clock didn't start until Lee releases the shot.
3) Tech on Cousins was bulls**t. He walked away from the officials to the bench and didn't say anything.
4) McLemore needs to make his free throws at the end for a 3 point lead, because you never know...
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5) Or if McLemore intends to miss (which I assumed he was going for) he needs to make his misses a little harder for the opponent to rebound.
 
ShastaKingsFan

ShastaKingsFan

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At the end of the day, regardless of whether it should make a difference or not,....the fact that Memphis executed a great play and the Kings made a horrible play to let Lee run wide open to the rim....probably makes a difference in these close judgement calls. They will tend to lean towards the team who closed the game with a great play
 
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Merdiesel

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ShastaKingsFan said:
At the end of the day, regardless of whether it should make a difference or not,....the fact that Memphis executed a great play and the Kings made a horrible play to let Lee run wide open to the rim....probably makes a difference in these close judgement calls. They will tend to lean towards the team who closed the game with a great play
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...?

It should be who won or lost. Not who you think deserves it.

Rules are in place to prevent personal preference.
 
twslam07

twslam07

All-Star
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ShastaKingsFan said:
At the end of the day, regardless of whether it should make a difference or not,....the fact that Memphis executed a great play and the Kings made a horrible play to let Lee run wide open to the rim....probably makes a difference in these close judgement calls. They will tend to lean towards the team who closed the game with a great play
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You could say that the Grizzlies deserved to lose this game based on how they came out in the first quarter. You could also look at tipping the ball right away as a great defensive play. Therefore, we deserved to win, right?

At the end of the day, it's not about hypotheticals and who deserved to win the game. It's about who actually won the game, and that just so happened to be the Kings.
 
ShastaKingsFan

ShastaKingsFan

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twslam07 said:
You could say that the Grizzlies deserved to lose this game based on how they came out in the first quarter. You could also look at tipping the ball right away as a great defensive play. Therefore, we deserved to win, right?

At the end of the day, it's not about hypotheticals and who deserved to win the game. It's about who actually won the game, and that just so happened to be the Kings.
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I agree that it's not about "what ifs". I wish sports were not like this, but my point is that's how things tend to go. The team who makes the efficient play to close the game, will tend to get the benefit of the doubt. It hurts when you're on the other end, but vice versa if you're the ones who just pulled off a "miracle" play
 
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