Can the Kings Protest?

#32
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So are you saying since they missed the clock not starting that it just didn't happen?
No my point is what were the refs going to do on the court? Can they make them run the play over because the clock didn't start on time. I'm legitimately asking as I don't know the official rule but that doesn't sound right.
 
#34
No my point is what were the refs going to do on the court? Can they make them run the play over because the clock didn't start on time. I'm legitimately asking as I don't know the official rule but that doesn't sound right.
Oh I get it. Sorry..... hahaha

The plays no good. I would settle for replaying the last .3. I would think that would satisfy both teams.
 

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#35
Well, since nobody is actually quoting the NBA Rulebook here, I will:

NO LESS THAN :00.3 must expire on the game clock when a player secures possession of an inbounds pass and then attempts a field goal.
Possession in 0.3 followed by a shot is legal. I don't think Lee got it off in under 0.3, but it would be legal.
 
#39

Tetsujin

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#43
I believe there was an incident that resulted in the final minutes of a period being replayed the next time the two teams met but I can't recall them ever returning the result on a last second play.
I think that was the game where the refs screwed up and gave Shaq his 6th foul and booted him when it was only his 5th.
 

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#44
No my point is what were the refs going to do on the court? Can they make them run the play over because the clock didn't start on time. I'm legitimately asking as I don't know the official rule but that doesn't sound right.
Technically that's exactly what they should have done.
 

Capt. Factorial

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#46
In that case, shouldn't they replay the last .03 seconds since they technically never happened?
No, that wouldn't happen. The NBA could potentially rule that the shot took more than 0.3 seconds to get off and that the clock didn't start appropriately, and as such the shot did not count and the Kings win. They would never, ever, replay those 0.3 seconds. They DID happen, and the play would not have unfolded differently had the clock started correctly.

That said, I do not believe, not even one-tenth of one percent, that the NBA will reverse the results of the game. I believe that the shot took more than 0.3, I believe the inbounds was in fact tipped, but I do not believe that the NBA will reverse the result.
 

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#50
Technically that's exactly what they should have done.
I don't think so, because the clock not starting didn't affect the play. Unless somebody is going to try to make the laughable argument that Lee was watching the clock and waiting for it to run down in order to shoot, the clock DID NOT affect the play. Either the play took over 0.3 seconds, or it did not, and game is decided by that fact. You do not under any circumstances replay the final 0.3. You decide whether the shot was good or not.

I think we all know how I feel about whether the shot was in fact good or not.
 
#51
No, that wouldn't happen. The NBA could potentially rule that the shot took more than 0.3 seconds to get off and that the clock didn't start appropriately, and as such the shot did not count and the Kings win. They would never, ever, replay those 0.3 seconds. They DID happen, and the play would not have unfolded differently had the clock started correctly.

That said, I do not believe, not even one-tenth of one percent, that the NBA will reverse the results of the game. I believe that the shot took more than 0.3, I believe the inbounds was in fact tipped, but I do not believe that the NBA will reverse the result.


What does that say about the NBA then?
 

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#52
They do it all the time when the clock operator starts the 24 second clock a little early or late.
That's a different situation, though. That's a situation where the number on the clock could potentially affect the way that the players play out the possession.
 
#53
I stand corrected on my previous post. With .2 or .1 remaining, only a tip or high lob can count. With .3 remaining, a player can gain possession and shoot according to the rule. However, the refs can review any shot made in .3 or less to determine whether the player actually got the shot off in time or whether the clock was started appropriately.

It's clearly obvious watching the replay that the clock didn't start until after he released the shot. I think it's easy to conclude that, had it started properly, Lee's up and under motion took more than .3 to execute. The NBA won't likely see it at way I'm sure. That would only happen if the roles were reversed.
 

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#55
What does that say about the NBA then?
That they would far rather let the result stand as called on court than overturn a game result? I believe they've done similar already in the case of a two-point/three-point error. They just said, "Whoops, we got it wrong, result stands." What are we going to do? Nothing. We protest and then nothing.
 
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#56
I stand corrected on my previous post. With .2 or .1 remaining, only a tip or high lob can count. With .3 remaining, a player can gain possession and shoot according to the rule. However, the refs can review any shot made in .3 or less to determine whether the player actually got the shot off in time or whether the clock was started appropriately.

It's clearly obvious watching the replay that the clock didn't start until after he released the shot. I think it's easy to conclude that, had it started properly, Lee's up and under motion took more than .3 to execute. The NBA won't likely see it at way I'm sure. That would only happen if the roles were reversed.
If that's the case than we should not protest, I was also under the impression you could not catch it unless it was 0.04 but if what you say if true than yeah waste of time.
 

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#58
That they would far rather let the result stand as called on court than overturn a game result? I believe they've done similar already in the case of a two-point/three-point error. They just said, "Whoops, we got it wrong, result stands." What are we going to do? Nothing. We protest and then nothing.
Acknowledging their error would be enough for me for the simple reason it would point out that the replay center isn't the perfect solution, the officials aren't getting calls right, and if they're going to use multiple cameras with different views, etc. they need to figure out a way to do it properly or don't do it at all.
 
#59
That they would far rather let the result stand as called on court than overturn a game result? I believe they've done similar already in the case of a two-point/three-point error. They just said, "Whoops, we got it wrong, result stands." What are we going to do? Nothing. We protest and then nothing.
I thought it wasn't possible for the MLB to grant the Giants their protest but it happened. One can hope that the NBA will see the light can't they?
 
#60
Acknowledging their error would be enough for me for the simple reason it would point out that the replay center isn't the perfect solution, the officials aren't getting calls right, and if they're going to use multiple cameras with different views, etc. they need to figure out a way to do it properly or don't do it at all.
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