Kangztillidie
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I hate to admit it but the behavior of certain folks is making me really wish the worst upon Doncic, and I really wanted to see him do well. It's really bad at this point. I mean, these are supposed to be Kings fans right?!?!
The Ringer: Two Rookie Big Men Walk Onto an NBA Court. One Plays Center. The Other Plays SG.
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sactowndog
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I don’t care if Doncic is great or not as he isn’t a King. If we are going to fret about guys the Kings passed up he can be added to a long list. What I don’t get is Doncic hasn’t played even 1 preseason or summer league game against NBA talent and people are anointing him.
If you are going to be mad about passing on someone I would at least start with JJJ.
The article was decent. The coaching staff have to learn how to use him and also manage him alongside the other bigs that they have too many of. Figuring this out will also give clarity to MBIII, which should help him on court.
If I conceded one disappointment re the front office it would be that the number of bigs has not declined beyond that guy who just got waived. I imagine they're aware of this and it will shift with time. Nonetheless, clarity re positions and rotations would ease a bit of anxiety and help with setting expectations.
If I conceded one disappointment re the front office it would be that the number of bigs has not declined beyond that guy who just got waived. I imagine they're aware of this and it will shift with time. Nonetheless, clarity re positions and rotations would ease a bit of anxiety and help with setting expectations.
Kangztillidie
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Or Mo Bamba...
sactowndog
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Livinthedream
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There are no sure things. It's always a crap shoot. You will normally see results from SF and SG first. Those guys aren't continuously being bodied and manhandled by grown a** men down low like big men. Ayton was a safe pick because he already has a the physique that Skal is working on and Bagley has to get. It greatly benefited Giles to sit out a year and work on his body and NBA game out of the spotlight. Sucks to have to wait, but that is how it works when drafting big men and even Point Guards.
Hold your horses. He is a rook that has not played a real game yet. How can anyone be so sure of his success or failure.? The guy has elite phyical skills and is a hard worker. He is coachable. The game is changing. Some teams and coaches will be changing and keeping up. Some will be left in the dust.
Ozymandias
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If you look closely at most message boards these days they are littered with troll accounts, often ones made or protected by mods, with the purpose to be antagonistic and make shock value statements, to help gve the appearance of more posts/threads/active members.
Almost certainly thats whats going on here. I smell bullcrap.
TaxMan
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I'll let the mods speak for themselves, but the thought that the mods on kingsfans.com are out there flaming controversy to drum up website hits is laughably over the top. I think it's probably safe to assume nobody is getting rich off this website and we should probably give them our thanks for keeping it up and running.
C'mon, man. Save the conspiracy theories for something a bit more important than a website with a few dozen posts a day. I've got better things to do than use my Illuminati powers to make troll sock puppets to earn the site owner 17 extra cents on advertising each month.
Ozymandias
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It's no conspiracy, the behavior i'm talking about runs rampant on pretty much all message boards. If you want to have ostrich syndrome about it, so be it.
Is it a conspiracy that there's people visitng this board to talk about Luka Doncic and constantly bash the Kings players and FO and coaching staff? No, it's in plain view, it's a natural consequence, and these people are only a few degrees off the behavior i described, the difference is NEGLIGIBLE actually, were talking about intent, but the result is the same..It's not apples and oranges is my point, we're in the same ballpark, this forum isn't some safe-haven away from common message board behavior, put your pitchforks down..
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TaxMan
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There's a difference between saying trolls exist on message boards (duh....) and implying trolls on kingsfans.com are "made or protected by mods". Of course some of the folks on here are here just to stroke a reaction for whatever strange satisfaction it provides them. but I find it an extremely bad take to suggest it's behavior that is being flamed by the mods.
TaxMan
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I would add, that this is one of the few forums I've ever been a part of that actively pushes for respectful, clean conversations on the topic at hand, AND generally acts on the side of extreme caution by banning anyone that remotely acts "trollish". You are barking up the wrong tree on this one.
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The mods create sockpuppet trolls or coddle trolls in order to give off the impression of higher traffic on the site (A ludicrous and false statement, for this website. Perhaps it happens elsewhere, not that I would know.)
ParniValjak
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Oh I as hoping we could get a second mid-first round pick so that we draft him as our SF. As the draft got closer his draft stock was rising from mid 1st round to top 10 pick.
The kid has pretty big upside. NY got themselves a really good one.
WOW so many people want a young man born March of 1999 which was younger than Garnett coming into the NBA to be a instant star.
He is young and will put on a lot more muscle over the next couple of years and the coaching staff must be excited to work with someone who I am sure has a lot to learn since this would of been his first year of college if he did not graduate high school a year early.
Like I said I believe that we really will not know what we have till later this season. Yes we have a glut of bigs and if playing him out of position to get him on the floor so be it.
It’s like do you draft for position or take the best player available? Well that will always be the case when drafting at the top.
I am more concerned to see how we play with everyone back healthy and playing and how the offense is run at that time.
He is young and will put on a lot more muscle over the next couple of years and the coaching staff must be excited to work with someone who I am sure has a lot to learn since this would of been his first year of college if he did not graduate high school a year early.
Like I said I believe that we really will not know what we have till later this season. Yes we have a glut of bigs and if playing him out of position to get him on the floor so be it.
It’s like do you draft for position or take the best player available? Well that will always be the case when drafting at the top.
I am more concerned to see how we play with everyone back healthy and playing and how the offense is run at that time.
Dongoodboy
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Who is not young coming in from the draft? It is the things Bagley showing frustrating Kings fans. If you combine that with the little success Kings have in developing raw talent, it is even more worse.
King Baller
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Since every thread (almost
now features the Luka vs. Marvin theme I will put this right here as well:
This all kind of reminds me of when Tyreke was chosen over Ricky Rubio. I had Rubio ahead of Tyreke on my draft board, but the Kings took Tyreke. That first year Tyreke looked great and Rubio not so much. But now due to injuries or whatever Rubio is the solid starter in Utah and Tyreke has a bench role.
I suspect this Doncic vs. Bagley thing will play out as the season unfolds. Each player will become what fate has in store. I'm betting Luka gets to start and will be "featured" much as Tyreke was. Bagley will have to "earn" his minutes. Also Luka is flashy with the rock and plays a beautiful style of ball. Bagley is a meat and potatoes Big who relies on the guards and game plan to get his.
So rather than be antagonistic about the whole thing I am going to sit back and enjoy the ride
now features the Luka vs. Marvin theme I will put this right here as well:This all kind of reminds me of when Tyreke was chosen over Ricky Rubio. I had Rubio ahead of Tyreke on my draft board, but the Kings took Tyreke. That first year Tyreke looked great and Rubio not so much. But now due to injuries or whatever Rubio is the solid starter in Utah and Tyreke has a bench role.
I suspect this Doncic vs. Bagley thing will play out as the season unfolds. Each player will become what fate has in store. I'm betting Luka gets to start and will be "featured" much as Tyreke was. Bagley will have to "earn" his minutes. Also Luka is flashy with the rock and plays a beautiful style of ball. Bagley is a meat and potatoes Big who relies on the guards and game plan to get his.
So rather than be antagonistic about the whole thing I am going to sit back and enjoy the ride
Livinthedream
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I'd be ok with 3 bigs. But that 4th one is a tough sell.
Bagley had 2 good SL games and 2 not so good. The first game he came out and just played his normal style. The game against Phoenix in Las Vegas, they matched him up against Ayton and said get after it. Both games were decent. The other 2, Bagley was either hanging on the perimeter or received the entry pass 18 - 20 ft from the hoop and had to work from out there. That's also what happened in the first preseason game. He wasn't comfortable there.
The one thing Bagley has done is bring consistent defensive effort. This was the biggest knock against him coming out of college and he's already put that to rest. Not that he's a lock down defender, but that he can block shots and work hard to stay with his man. So he's already "showed" something that we weren't sure he had.
Some analysis has said he doesn't have a true position in the NBA because no one plays that post game anymore. Well, the kid can dribble, has good footwork and is smooth and athletic. He's young and a blank slate. His shooting form is fine. It appears to me that the Kings have basically decided that they want Marvin to focus on playing D this year while they transition him to a stretch 4 or even a 3.
Fans may argue that he doesn't have the skillset to play the 3. But those same folks say he doesn't have the skillset to play the 4 and his skills at the 5 are incompatible with NBA. So he's going to be working on something offensively anyways. No matter what people think of the Kings front office, they knew Doncic was a finished product and Bagley was raw with tons of upside. The fact that the Kings also coveted Michael Porter Jr tells you they have a type and a style they want. Bagley fit that profile. So we can throw up our hands and stop our feet, but it won't change the fact that we have to wait on Marvin becoming a finished product.
Bagley had 2 good SL games and 2 not so good. The first game he came out and just played his normal style. The game against Phoenix in Las Vegas, they matched him up against Ayton and said get after it. Both games were decent. The other 2, Bagley was either hanging on the perimeter or received the entry pass 18 - 20 ft from the hoop and had to work from out there. That's also what happened in the first preseason game. He wasn't comfortable there.
The one thing Bagley has done is bring consistent defensive effort. This was the biggest knock against him coming out of college and he's already put that to rest. Not that he's a lock down defender, but that he can block shots and work hard to stay with his man. So he's already "showed" something that we weren't sure he had.
Some analysis has said he doesn't have a true position in the NBA because no one plays that post game anymore. Well, the kid can dribble, has good footwork and is smooth and athletic. He's young and a blank slate. His shooting form is fine. It appears to me that the Kings have basically decided that they want Marvin to focus on playing D this year while they transition him to a stretch 4 or even a 3.
Fans may argue that he doesn't have the skillset to play the 3. But those same folks say he doesn't have the skillset to play the 4 and his skills at the 5 are incompatible with NBA. So he's going to be working on something offensively anyways. No matter what people think of the Kings front office, they knew Doncic was a finished product and Bagley was raw with tons of upside. The fact that the Kings also coveted Michael Porter Jr tells you they have a type and a style they want. Bagley fit that profile. So we can throw up our hands and stop our feet, but it won't change the fact that we have to wait on Marvin becoming a finished product.
No, what is that. There’s no such thing as having to many wings that have high IQs, can playmake, shoot, play off ball, and play multiple positions. You can have too many bigs you can have too many small guards but there’s literally no thing as having to many 6’6-6’9 wings.
As is passing on him cause of Fox hell even if we had Steph it’s a bad reasoning considering he played better next to Dragic/Llull
King Baller
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Much ado about nothing....or 1 minute of play with 4 Bigs.
As far as not getting the job done......who won that game?
As far as not getting the job done......who won that game?
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