Stern announces NBA dress code

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http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2005/09/29/stern_bounces_ideas_for_better_nba_image?mode=PF

Stern bounces ideas for better NBA image

By Shira Springer, Globe Staff | September 29, 2005

NBA commissioner David Stern spent yesterday making one public appearance after another, flying from the Senate hearing on steroids in Washington to a National Braille Press gala last night at the TD Banknorth Garden. The Boston event honored Stern along with world-class blind climber Erik Weihenmayer and drew a contingent of Celtics past and present. At a time when Stern, the NBA, and the Celtics are increasingly concerned about the image projected by players, the gala provided an opportunity to foster good relations between the players and community, and highlight the Celtics' charitable efforts. Just the kind of positive publicity Stern likes to generate.

As part of the new collective bargaining agreement, the NBA and its players' union devised several new initiatives designed to improve the athletes' accessibility and professionalism. Players will be required to attend pregame autograph sessions and participate in pregame giveaways of T-shirts, hats, and wristbands. Inactive players will greet fans and community groups on game nights. The league increased the players' minimum number of community relations appearances from 10 to 12. Players must make themselves available to the media for at least 15 minutes after practice. And among other new rules, there will be a dress code Stern expects to include sport coats and collared shirts, and exclude bluejeans. When it was mentioned that some of the league's most highly regarded players, such as Tim Duncan, dress more casually, Stern said, ''Well, the job description has changed."

''We're working on a job description," said Stern. ''It's to help the players understand what the job is. The job is not only to go to practice and win games. The job is representing the NBA to all constituencies. Community relations. Public relations. Sponsor relations . . . Maybe for a variety of reasons we pulled back too much. Or maybe we got spoiled by a generation of players who did these things as a matter of course and as we got younger we moved away from them. So, we have to slowly remind ourselves [what to do].

''Sometimes I worry that our players' intensity can be misconstrued and their effort can be misconstrued. They are the most intense, the most dedicated. I think the younger base of our fans understands that, but perhaps, the mid-to-older aren't quite as attuned to it. We'd like to use our convening power to have people focus on this game and our great players, who they are and how they play, rather than their variance from some norm . . . Being neatly attired in a certain way, that's going to be our norm."

While some fans may view instituting a league-wide dress code as treating the symptom and not the problem, Stern sees it as a small step in re-educating players about proper conduct.

''The dress code is, to me, a continuation of things [after the league mandated teams wear either warmups or shorts for the national anthem last year, but not a mix.] It's a small thing that contributes to a sense of professionalism. It's what the job entails. We've always moved to the fashion of our players. Years ago, the fashion was a jacket and tie. Now, it's a much more casual approach. But our referees are always attired a certain way based upon their job description when they come into the building. Our coaches are attired a certain way when they come on the court. We decided that it was time [for the players]."

Stern noted that some teams have more strict dress codes than the one the league plans to institute. That said, the commissioner also believes code-of-conduct-type rules generally should fall under purview of the league to ensure fairness. When the Celtics' plans for a Code of Conduct came up, Stern called it ''just a restatement" and said it was ''announcing the obvious with an air of discovery." Still, the Celtics promise to be ahead of the curve in all matters relating to professionalism and community relations. Owner Wyc Grousbeck said the team would do ''20 percent more" than what the league mandated. That kind of commitment was one of the reasons the implication of Tony Allen in a recent Chicago nightclub incident in which there was a shooting upset Grousbeck so much.

But Allen was not the only NBA player to be in the wrong place at the wrong time recently. Wizards second-round pick Andray Blatche was shot in the chest last weekend, and the Bobcats' Marvin Ely was robbed and shot at early yesterday morning. While he would not say so directly, Stern is certainly concerned about these kinds of incidents and the image they project.

''What went through my mind when it was the second time is that our players have to be more careful because they are inviting targets in places where they might or might not want to be," said Stern. ''It's going to be our job to remind them [of the dangers]. It's something that we clearly have to be concerned about. But really, less for the image and more for the safety."

General manager Chris Wallace signed a two-year contract extension yesterday with the Celtics, through the 2007-08 season. Wallace is entering his ninth season as GM and shares responsibility for scouting players, making personnel decisions, and advising executive director of basketball operations Danny Ainge.

When Ainge assumed his post in May 2003, Wallace took on a less public role, and his long-term future with the franchise was seen as in doubt. Since then, Ainge and Wallace have developed a strong working relationship.

''From my perspective, Chris is a guy that I've been grateful to for his help and loyalty in my transition to this job," said Ainge. ''He brings experience to the mechanics of the business. He has an understanding of the game worldwide. And he is well respected and well connected. He is a valuable asset to us and to me."

But for the next few months, Wallace will be immersed in scouting the international basketball market while keeping track of the college scene.
 
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I dont see a problem with the dress code. They work/play for the NBA and the boss just set a dress code. Not to hard to wear a suit and tie once and a while when you sit out.

BTW... WELCOME pillet!!!
 
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I don't mind this, I think it's generally more stylish and cool to be in a suit or dress clothes. Didn't mind when it wasn't here either really.
 
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That explains it!

The new alternate jersey for the Kings is part of the NBA dress code...so Stern can have every team look like the Lakers.

:rolleyes:
 

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Okay, now that I've got the sarcastic comment out of the way, I like the idea of a little more professional look ...

''The dress code is, to me, a continuation of things [after the league mandated teams wear either warmups or shorts for the national anthem last year, but not a mix.] It's a small thing that contributes to a sense of professionalism. It's what the job entails. We've always moved to the fashion of our players. Years ago, the fashion was a jacket and tie. Now, it's a much more casual approach. But our referees are always attired a certain way based upon their job description when they come into the building. Our coaches are attired a certain way when they come on the court. We decided that it was time [for the players]."
If they're going to be treated like professionals, IMHO it shouldn't hurt them to dress like professionals on the way to their jobs. Besides, I remember how good Webber looked in his Armani suits.

;)
 
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I don't really like the idea of making players wear suits. Reminds me of the uniforms that they made us wear in schools in India. This is USA, the land of freedom after all.

I might agree that they should not be inappropirately dressed like pants falling off the waists or something like that, but other than that, it doesn't really make sense. I think they should be allowed to wear what they feel comfortable in.
 

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^^It has nothing whatsoever to do with "USA, land of freedom."

The NBA is a business; a corporation. As part of the new Collective Bargaining Agreement made between the players and the teams, there will be a dress code stipulating what the players can wear when they're representing their employers. It's not all that unusual whatsoever.

It doesn't say "suits". It says;

there will be a dress code Stern expects to include sport coats and collared shirts, and exclude bluejeans.
If the players reps agreed to it as part of the CBA, they obviously don't have that much problem with it.
 
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i think it's a bunch of bullcrap. let the players wear what they want. you have a lot of proffesions out there that don't require business coats/ties, etc.

i believe that all players should dress how they want to because all of them have different personalities. we recognize alot of players by thier style of clothing. you know iverson is gonna come through with a do rag and baseball cap with a long white t-shirt. you know dirk's gonna come to a game with a lose t-shirt and some denim jeans. lebron will hop out of his hummer with an old school jersey and hat to match. it's the players way of letting everyone know who they are; and it fits their personality. i think stern is jerk for trying to make this new rule. especially since alot of the NBA players ALREADY come to games with suites on. jermaine oneal, chauncey billups, rip hamilton, chris webber, alot of players go to games with suits and ties and button up shirts. just the thought of having to look like everyone else makes me sick. i don't think it's necessary.
 
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A few players do need to dress more approriately, but c'mon this is entertainment, not Merryll Lynch. If anything needs to be addressed, it should be the players that actually act like thugs on an off the court. I'm not sure how they would go about curtailing that, but instilling a dress code will certainly have little effect.
 
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VF21 said:
Okay, now that I've got the sarcastic comment out of the way, I like the idea of a little more professional look ...



If they're going to be treated like professionals, IMHO it shouldn't hurt them to dress like professionals on the way to their jobs. Besides, I remember how good Webber looked in his Armani suits.

;)

Yes he does:D and I agree. Most companies do have some sort of dress code and as the NBA is such a big business, why should they be any different?
I love the pregame ideas, improving player accessibility is definitely a good thing. Ticket prices already going up so if they have more incentives to get people to the game, that's a great idea especially for the kids (even the big ones;)).

 
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I'm all for it. There are too many grown men in the NBA who dress like gang bangers. Since kids like to emulate their heroes, I think it is a terrific idea to make the players dress like professionals.
 
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A few players do need to dress more approriately, but c'mon this is entertainment, not Merryll Lynch. If anything needs to be addressed, it should be the players that actually act like thugs on an off the court. I'm not sure how they would go about curtailing that, but instilling a dress code will certainly have little effect.
You're right, this is entertainment. And when the movie stars make work-related public appearances there's usually a red carpet involved and thousand (if not tens of thousands) dollar dresses and sharp tuxedos and suits.

NBA players get paid millions of dollars. Is it so much to ask that they dress like it when they are "at their job?" I mean, I get paid a very very small fraction of what they earn, yet I'm required to dress a certain way at work. Why shouldn't they?
 
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VF21 said:
^^It has nothing whatsoever to do with "USA, land of freedom."

The NBA is a business; a corporation. As part of the new Collective Bargaining Agreement made between the players and the teams, there will be a dress code stipulating what the players can wear when they're representing their employers. It's not all that unusual whatsoever.

It doesn't say "suits". It says;



If the players reps agreed to it as part of the CBA, they obviously don't have that much problem with it.
I don't know how to express it, probably its something like what you were saying about being a long time fan, even when your team is a losing team. You have different perspective at looking at the Sacramento Kings than some of us who started following them or even came to know about them once they became the winning team with Webber, Vlade and rest of the guys.

So when being in India where everything starting from the economy, dressing, way of interacting with everyone around you is bounded by rules and regulations, you look at US as a place where everything is much more libralised.

For example, Andre Aggasi rebelling against the ATP and getting rid of the plan clothing and strating the current trend of clothing.

The way I look at it the sportmen are kind of harbingers of new fashions and trends, just like stars in other fields. So restricting their dress code off the court does't sound too good to me, especially in USA which I have always looked up to as the "Land of Freedom".

Probably all this doesn't make much sense to you. But that's how I look at it.
 
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You're right, this is entertainment. And when the movie stars make work-related public appearances there's usually a red carpet involved and thousand (if not tens of thousands) dollar dresses and sharp tuxedos and suits.

NBA players get paid millions of dollars. Is it so much to ask that they dress like it when they are "at their job?" I mean, I get paid a very very small fraction of what they earn, yet I'm required to dress a certain way at work. Why shouldn't they?
Sorry but it's sociatal BS. People have been so brainwashed by society since the beginning of civilization that it's second nature. We are born into this world naked, not with suits on. In what we call "prehistory" (I'm not sure why we call it that, since it is also part of our history), before civilization, humans weren't wearing suits back then either, maybe some animal skin. Why should what you wear have any effect how you are as a person or how "professional" you may seem? Why should anybody be told how to dress even if it is a desk job. As long as you are professional in your work and get the job done, that is what matters. NBA players do get a lot of money, but so do the Rolling Stones. People should be allowed to dress the way they feel, the way they want to express themselves, not because of some ridiculous code. Sorry but I feel very strongly about this subject.
 
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(btw, I searched "google images" for "catholic schoolgirl uniform"... I suppose I should have predicted that nothing I would find would be, uhhhm, appropriate for this particular website

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People are always going to be judged by how they dress. It's the way of the world, like it or not. You are what you wear! And these NBA players are under contract with the league. The NBA is their boss, and if they set certain rules, then the players have to follow them, period, just like any other job. It is not going to kill the players to have to dress up once in a while, and they certainly have the money to afford to do so. And as a female fan, there will be no complaints coming from me about having to look at these guys in nice suits. :eek:
 
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Thugs? Gangbangers? Com on people. Wearing jerseys and long pants is gang related? Sure gangs wear those, but those aint the real gangbangers.

They will have to wear it no matter what? Obviously they will. They have no choice now right? The fact that their forced to is what pisses me off.

And what's up with all this bs about having to spend 15 mins with the media after practice, etc.....? These players are not animals. Let them do what they do and when they have time or when they feel like signing autographs and speaking to the medai, they will.

Oh and did I mention david stern is an a$$?
 

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Oh and did I mention david stern is an a$$?
Yes, that part is true, but I see no correlation between that statement and a dress code.

I worked with the public for the State of IL. I had a dress code. It was a very loose code, but we could not wear jeans, tennis shoes, etc. The point is my "company" had the right to set up their parameters.

Now, I am about to start a job for the State of CA. I am totally behind the scenes...do not work where the public will see me. They too have a dress code, although it is more about not wearing things that will be totally distracting to co-workers.

My point is that everyone who employs people has a right to decide how their employees should look. The employee is representing the company. They pay the salary, they decide how employees representing them should look.

I don't see this as a big deal. Actually, I welcome the change. And, no one said it has to be a suit and tie...just a collared shirt, jacket, and slacks (that are not jeans). A rather laid back dress code for employment, if you ask me.
 
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KingKong said:
Sorry but it's sociatal BS. People have been so brainwashed by society since the beginning of civilization that it's second nature. We are born into this world naked, not with suits on. In what we call "prehistory" (I'm not sure why we call it that, since it is also part of our history), before civilization, humans weren't wearing suits back then either, maybe some animal skin. Why should what you wear have any effect how you are as a person or how "professional" you may seem? Why should anybody be told how to dress even if it is a desk job. As long as you are professional in your work and get the job done, that is what matters. NBA players do get a lot of money, but so do the Rolling Stones. People should be allowed to dress the way they feel, the way they want to express themselves, not because of some ridiculous code. Sorry but I feel very strongly about this subject.
I can entirely see your perspective, respect your opinion and agree on some points but disagree on others.

Now your view is much larger than just a dress code; it's all about censorship. I just want to point out that there has to be standards of what is appropriate and what is not. Society is what sets those standards. One person's freedom of expression is another person's obscenity. In the world of "professionalism," there is no room for obscenities. For an extreme example, would you go to a restaurant where your server is dressed in ratty old short shorts with pubic hair protruding through and a BO smelly t-shirt that says "Hoof Hearted?" It's just wrong and society is who dictated that it is wrong and unhygenic.

So why is it wrong for a CEO (or commissioner) to enforce a dress code so as not to offend their customers? It's a double edge sword because, the commissioner has a right to express himself and his product the way he pleases as well. Standards must be set and it is ultimately the commissioner's league to do as he pleases. If some one wants to make a statement on censorship and freedom to dress as they wish, be prepared for consequences.
 
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When is he going to announce that all referees are going to be replaced by robots who will call the game by the rules and not miss obvious goal tending calls that make Brad Miller's ulcer grow?!
 
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I see your point vj9999, but that wasn't a goaltending. As much as we argued it, it was still a clean block.

Yes, stern should replace these refs with robots that call the game fair, but then he would still program the robots to call the game in favor of the spurs or lakers so it doesn't matter.
 

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How about and "NBA Uniform" that coaching staff and non-playing players must wear. Something like black slscks, white shirt and solid balck neck tie, or tan slacks and a Blue polo shirt. That way no one has to waste money on expensive cloths, worry what to were or encourage young impressionalbe youth to dress in baggies (or pay $250 for a pair os shoes). ;)