Simmon's Trade Value Countdown, Boogie at #9

Geoff

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Link is at http://grantland.com/features/2015-nba-trade-value-part-3-the-final-countdown/

Excerpt on Boogie:
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9. Boogie Cousins
In Part 2, I mentioned the smartest non-trades in recent NBA history — including the time Houston dangled Hakeem Olajuwon for a Godfather offer (Steve Smith, Glen Rice AND Rony Seikaly), got turned down, then rejected Miami’s counteroffer (Seikaly, Grant Long and Harold Miner)...

So if you were Boogie, what would make you feel good about playing in Sacramento other than the city’s fantastic hoops fans? George Karl? Too soon to say. Ben McLemore? Too soon to say. Cap space this summer? Crap, they don’t have it. Their next lottery pick? Crap, it’s headed to Chicago unless Sacramento finishes in the bottom 10. This is bleaker than bleak. My advice to Kings fans: You better keep showering Boogie with love. Because the moment he checks out and says to himself, “I cannot play for these jackasses anymore,” there’s no going back. (And we’re damned close.)...

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New Era

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I agree with almost everything he says here except a couple of things. Why does he think we are going to lose our pick to Chicago? We can't even beat the 76ers and there is talk of shutting Cuz and Rudy down for the season. I think our pick is safe. Also, he says we have no cap room this summer. Is that true? I was under the assumption that we did have a bit of cap room to work with this summer.

Geoff said:
Link is at http://grantland.com/features/2015-nba-trade-value-part-3-the-final-countdown/

Excerpt on Boogie:
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9. Boogie Cousins
In Part 2, I mentioned the smartest non-trades in recent NBA history — including the time Houston dangled Hakeem Olajuwon for a Godfather offer (Steve Smith, Glen Rice AND Rony Seikaly), got turned down, then rejected Miami’s counteroffer (Seikaly, Grant Long and Harold Miner).

So if you were Boogie, what would make you feel good about playing in Sacramento other than the city’s fantastic hoops fans? George Karl? Too soon to say. Ben McLemore? Too soon to say. Cap space this summer? Crap, they don’t have it. Their next lottery pick? Crap, it’s headed to Chicago unless Sacramento finishes in the bottom 10. This is bleaker than bleak. My advice to Kings fans: You better keep showering Boogie with love. Because the moment he checks out and says to himself, “I cannot play for these jackasses anymore,” there’s no going back. (And we’re damned close.)

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Larry David

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We don't have significant cap space this summer. We have some, in a summer where much better spots have lots. This will also be a summer where folks radically overpay free agents on 4 years deals, because they will be over pay to start, but when the cap goes up those contracts will look good.
 
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PoundForPound

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Can you guys imagine if Boogie was to actually one day up and bounce outta' here? Yikes.
 
Padrino

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Geoff said:
Maybe he isn’t Apex Duncan, especially in the defense/teammate/leadership/intangibles/getting-thrown-out-of-games-for-wonky-behavior categories, but Boogie HAS improved. Did you know his rim protection numbers are slightly better than DeAndre Jordan’s numbers this season? And with the spacing that Boogie creates and the numbers he’s putting up, you could absolutely run a world-class offense around him. Only you can’t … because he’s wasting his pre-prime playing for Jackass Central on a perpetual lottery team in a stacked conference.

So if you were Boogie, what would make you feel good about playing in Sacramento other than the city’s fantastic hoops fans? George Karl? Too soon to say. Ben McLemore? Too soon to say. Cap space this summer? Crap, they don’t have it. Their next lottery pick? Crap, it’s headed to Chicago unless Sacramento finishes in the bottom 10. This is bleaker than bleak. My advice to Kings fans: You better keep showering Boogie with love. Because the moment he checks out and says to himself, “I cannot play for these jackasses anymore,” there’s no going back. (And we’re damned close.)

Last Boogie note: Check out these names: Wilt, Kareem, Barkley, Pettit, Duncan and Elgin. That’s the complete list of players, along with Boogie, who averaged 23 and 12 with a 25-plus PER in their fourth and fifth NBA seasons combined. Boogie isn’t THAT good. But he’s really, really good. And he’s saddled with Vivek and the Bumbling Vivikettes. We’re well past the point of using New Owner Syndrome as a viable excuse. Too much has happened. We wasted five years of Boogie’s career. Next year, we’re probably heading for a sixth. Might be time to get Liam Neeson involved.
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i wish this was sensationalist nonsense, but the saddest part is that i 100% agree with simmons' assessment...
 
Spike

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Of course, he has ulterior motives. Simmons makes it no secret that he wants Boogie. As he is not employed by the Celtics, he can say whatever he wants.

That said, he's more right than wrong. Our window is a lot smaller than the FO wishes it to be. It's next year. PDA needs to win next year. Vivek can want a winning team by the time the new arena opens, but in order for that to happen, the winning needs to happen, well, now. Since now is not an option, next year has to be the year we fish or cut bait.
 
kingsboi

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Simmons should know better than mentioning that this team will not retain it's draft pick this year. But that's beside the point here.....the countdown starts in the off season, Pete needs to consult Karl and they both need to come together and put together something that isn't this...otherwise even I'll be pushing for a Boogie trade because it's about time he starts winning more than 30 games.
 
Mr. S£im Citrus

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At least two people in this thread have suggested that Simmons got it wrong when he was talking about the draft pick, except that he didn't. He specifically stipulated that the pick goes to Chicago if we finish out of the bottom ten. The fact that he worded the piece in such a way that the reader might interpret it to mean that the pick is as good as gone doesn't mean that he got it wrong, because he didn't actually say that. It was just mildly sensationalist; it was the textual equivalent of clickbait.
 
Mr. S£im Citrus

Mr. S£im Citrus

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kingsboi said:
.....the countdown starts in the off season, Pete needs to consult Karl and they both need to come together and put together something that isn't this...otherwise even I'll be pushing for a Boogie trade because it's about time he starts winning more than 30 games.
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This passage is unclear: is it your position that Cousins is the reason he hasn't won thirty games?
 
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Larry David

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It appears he may have looked at our soft April slate, our owners drive to win asap, the Karl addition, the teams above us and had some concern that we might screw up and end up flirting with 11 or at least go way back to 9.

But, since we remain in free fall, that's not going to happen.
 
kingsboi

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Mr. S£im Citrus said:
This passage is unclear: is it your position that Cousins is the reason he hasn't won thirty games?
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my position is that Cousins has been on the Kings for five seasons and hasn't won more than thirty games because the team around him has been abysmal or the front office got rid of talent for lesser talent.
 
SacKings384

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PoundForPound said:
Can you guys imagine if Boogie was to actually one day up and bounce outta' here? Yikes.
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I almost want him to... I think this team is destined to flounder for the next few years at least until we clean up shop. No reason to waste his prime on that kind of nonsense. Boogie deserves better. Especially when they're talking about making him more lean so he can run the ball more.
 
HereWeBoogie

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Geoff said:
Because the moment he checks out and says to himself, “I cannot play for these jackasses anymore,” there’s no going back. (And we’re damned close.)...
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This has been my feeling as of late. I'm getting very concerned that teams future does not include Boogie Cousins
 
Padrino

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SacKings384 said:
I almost want him to... I think this team is destined to flounder for the next few years at least until we clean up shop. No reason to waste his prime on that kind of nonsense. Boogie deserves better. Especially when they're talking about making him more lean so he can run the ball more.
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it may very well be for the best if the kings moved on from boogie. it'd certainly be the most asinine move imaginable, to trade a top-10 talent like demarcus cousins in order to promote a particular "system," or because of competing agendas and lack of consensus within the kings' management structure, but if this franchise is intent on wasting cousins' time (and the fans' time), i'd rather they just trade him and head back to square one...

remember, demarcus wasn't the new regime's guy to begin with; they've gutted the entire team since their arrival, with the exception of cousins and jason thompson, and they've damn sure tried to move thompson at every available opportunity. they re-signed big cuz to a max deal because the team was desperately short of assets when they got here. the worst case scenario has always been the mortgaging of cousins' contract for future picks/spare parts, but i always assumed that such a scenario would result from cousins' inability to take the next step, rather than the new regime's incompetence. cousins is doing his job. the kings' brass have not done theirs...

if i'm demarcus, i give these jokers one more season; if the kings don't finish at or above .500 by the end of '15-'16, then i absolutely demand a trade. sentimentality and the promise of a new arena for the '16-'17 season might tempt demarcus into giving them two more years, but he'll be nearly 27 by the end of the '16-'17 season, and unless the kings' front office works some kinda serious voodoo magic between now and then, cuz likely won't have played in a single playoff game to that point...
 
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PoundForPound

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SacKings384 said:
I almost want him to... I think this team is destined to flounder for the next few years at least until we clean up shop. No reason to waste his prime on that kind of nonsense. Boogie deserves better. Especially when they're talking about making him more lean so he can run the ball more.
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I agree. The kid has too much talent to be wasting his years away here with this franchise.
 
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