Poll: Coach Brown's firing
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SLAB
Hall of Famer
Yeah. Brown is what he was. There’s a reason he hasn’t stuck anywhere else, because he’s a mid coach who’s able to catch lightning in a bottle before regressing to the norm.
I put it on the Joerger level. Sure there’s worse guys out there, but he’s exactly okay and his faults are glaring.
I put it on the Joerger level. Sure there’s worse guys out there, but he’s exactly okay and his faults are glaring.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Good, bad, it is what it is. When a coach pulls out those shots to inspire too many times what follows suit is a given. We've seen it a million times before. So is the life of a coach.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
He changed the culture and got us in the playoffs it’s not easy to change 20 years of garbage
I'm more of the mind that it was necessary rather than good so I will abstain from the poll.
Jdbraver137
Bench
May giving a coach a competent roster is important too.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Another thing to remember is that just firing Brown isn't going to change the fact that a few players on the roster have very openly been dangled as trait bait for 1+ season now. I'm not sure what Monte's hold up is but my guess is value? If they still have some hope for this season Doug Christie will have to make a decision to move on with the players that could be or might be in the plans moving forward. Players like Huerter and Lyles getting minutes builds nothing if they are gone at any moment.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Says every coach that has ever existed, and they wouldn't be wrong. Long ago I learned most coaches ain't winning you much, but they can surely screw things up and without either the right roster for them, or talent they can only spiral. Brown was a step up based on competence, but again, when the air gets thick in the locker room changes must be made. Plenty of coaches far more successful, with a far better resume have gotten the boot too.
The firing seems to indicate that players weren't being played to be showcased. TBH I would actually think burying a guy at the bench and letting teams go "hey what happened to that redhead dude that was lights out from 3 last year" would get more calls than putting him out as a "showcase" so I don't know what to make of any of this other than it is absolutely clear to anyone who the team has been shopping and that fact alone seems to have made everyone lose interest.
ShastaKingsFan
All-Star
or, when a guy loses his starting job and then plays limited backup time, teams would look closely at the reasons for that
We sort of had to play HB but I am not sure that Davion and Kevin's value could possibly get any lower not playing them than what has happened since the team made it clear we were moving them both.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
And Kevin Huerter types aren't players that do very well in limited minutes. Limited minute wonders are usually athletes, or defenders, or rebounders. Rhythm scorers rarely succeed being yanked in and out and largely only impact that game if they are scoring. If they aren't every single thing they don't do makes it look really bad, hence why values get lowered relatively quickly.
ShastaKingsFan
All-Star
Sure. That's part of continuing to play a struggling player you want/need to trade. Hoping the averages come back around in their favor, in time to raise their value back near where it was prior to a long slump.
The front office like many around here, have probably figured that they can't possibly keep shooting this bad
It was weird that we brought Kevin and Monk in within 48 hours. Not saying that Monk wasn't worth grabbing and I am pretty sure we got Kev first, but if we knew we had a line on Monk it probably wasn't worth giving up a future pick for Kev. And frankly grabbing DDR with the jam those two created has only made it worse, especially with Carter having been picked up and moving HB and forcing Keegan to play PF.
I know people poo poo the significance of that last part but it means the person guarding Keegan every night is bigger and stronger than the person last season too.
If there's no value there's no value. You either buy out, shut them down, or you take a loss on a less than ideal trade.
ShastaKingsFan
All-Star
There's little value, if the role player has a long stretch of playing bad. If the player turns it around, like many have, then you've got something again
He has not turned it around. It probably cost us the playoffs last year. And it ain't moving the needle this year.
Beyond that, it's beyond obvious we are desperate to ship him. No GM in the league is going to give us what he is worth even if he scores 30ppg for the next 6 weeks.
ShastaKingsFan
All-Star
Why do you think they keep playing him more than others?
I genuinely thought it was to facilitate a trade but it has only tanked his value while also taking more valuable guys off the court.
I went and checked and he still has one more year on the contract so a buy out probably isn't happening either. Maybe you can move him for a 2nd rounder at the deadline and if so at this point I think you have to otherwise he's basically a tool for matching salary in any deal.
This is what I would have personally done if the right offer was there. I don't know if they had entertained it seriously before 2 weeks ago. I didn't. I sincerely hope that they are seriously gauging the next 6 weeks under that lens. Tonight's returns thus far not good. Seemed to sleepwalk until the 4th quarter so a coach change was in fact not a wake up call for the guy demanding a shot at the supermax.
I imagine the scenery change will light the fire under him since that stupid thing will forever be off the table once he is traded.
As is often the case with this franchise, in the wake of yet another head coach firing I'm left wondering who the adults in the room are. Mike Brown has been consistently front and center in his approach since his first press conference. He put Fox on notice that he was going to be expecting a lot from him and his plan was to push him to be the best he can be because he saw superstar potential there. He's never been shy about demanding focus, effort, and leadership from all of his players. He told us that everyone on his team signs a paper at the start of the season stating that they agree to their role. This is exactly the level of leadership that was required in order to carry out one of the most challenging culture shifts in recent NBA history. And that's what earned him a unanimous Coach of the Year award for the 2022-2023 season.
Where I lose the thread here is that less than 2 years later somehow damn near everyone has apparently forgotten what the culture used to be in Sactown and erroneously concluded that we've solved that problem and Mike Brown's demanding no-compromises approach is no longer needed. This is a mistake. It's nonsensical to credit Coach Brown for changing the culture and then conclude that those changes will remain without his presence in the room. The only way to continue building in a positive direction is to keep the standards high and remove anyone who refuses to accept those standards.
But the decision has already been made so he's where I think we're at now. It's not going to be pretty...
At this point I think both Fox and Monk need to go if we want this to be a winning team again. They don't seem to take their jobs seriously or at least they feel they are above being coached. With the only voice pushing against their lackadaisical approach gone, it's only a matter of time before we lose the entire locker room. The front office siding with the star player in a player vs. coach standoff is nothing new but what's particularly alarming this time is that I think the coach was 100% right (his over-emphasis on three point shooting aside). What makes great teams great is accountability. Great players own their mistakes and work tirelessly to ensure they never make the same mistake twice.
I still think this team was a few pieces and an attitude adjustment away from figuring things out but that's all out the window now. The necessary attitude adjustment just became highly improbable if not impossible and while the lack of size and toughness can be corrected, getting the roster right feels beside the point when the core decision-making has already been compromised. We're dead in the water now unless Doug Christie is a Hall of Fame coach from day one. Here's hoping.
Where I lose the thread here is that less than 2 years later somehow damn near everyone has apparently forgotten what the culture used to be in Sactown and erroneously concluded that we've solved that problem and Mike Brown's demanding no-compromises approach is no longer needed. This is a mistake. It's nonsensical to credit Coach Brown for changing the culture and then conclude that those changes will remain without his presence in the room. The only way to continue building in a positive direction is to keep the standards high and remove anyone who refuses to accept those standards.
But the decision has already been made so he's where I think we're at now. It's not going to be pretty...
At this point I think both Fox and Monk need to go if we want this to be a winning team again. They don't seem to take their jobs seriously or at least they feel they are above being coached. With the only voice pushing against their lackadaisical approach gone, it's only a matter of time before we lose the entire locker room. The front office siding with the star player in a player vs. coach standoff is nothing new but what's particularly alarming this time is that I think the coach was 100% right (his over-emphasis on three point shooting aside). What makes great teams great is accountability. Great players own their mistakes and work tirelessly to ensure they never make the same mistake twice.
I still think this team was a few pieces and an attitude adjustment away from figuring things out but that's all out the window now. The necessary attitude adjustment just became highly improbable if not impossible and while the lack of size and toughness can be corrected, getting the roster right feels beside the point when the core decision-making has already been compromised. We're dead in the water now unless Doug Christie is a Hall of Fame coach from day one. Here's hoping.
Outstanding post and better than I could have ever said. Agreed with dealing Fox, not so sure about Monk but really, anyone on the roster but Fox is the catalyst and he doesn’t get it. Most likely, this will get worse than get better
G_M
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Brown going from Coach of the Year two years ago and signing an extension this past summer to being fired is one of the most King's things ever.
For those of you who don't believe Brown is a good coach, you should direct your fire at the organization who signed him to an extension and apparently can't evaluate coaching talent.
This organization is currently a mess, and I blame Vivek.
For those of you who don't believe Brown is a good coach, you should direct your fire at the organization who signed him to an extension and apparently can't evaluate coaching talent.
This organization is currently a mess, and I blame Vivek.
MizzouKing
Starter
One of my favorite parts of this excellent post. Other than the part about trading Monk, I agree 100%.
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macadocious
Starter
My sentiments exactly.
This is not a one move solution, there are deeper issues here that we all sorta extrapolate on, but dont really fully understand the what and why's.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
You mean Brown tried to hold guys accountable there too?
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
If that's code for winning COY and then getting fired not too long after, yeah, that's exactly it. The Cavs supposedly fired Brown to try and get LeBron to come back. They did, he did eventually, they got a ring. Ain't life a *****, haha.
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