Yeah. Brown is what he was. There’s a reason he hasn’t stuck anywhere else, because he’s a mid coach who’s able to catch lightning in a bottle before regressing to the norm.
I put it on the Joerger level. Sure there’s worse guys out there, but he’s exactly okay and his faults are glaring.
May giving a coach a competent roster is important too.Good, bad, it is what it is. When a coach pulls out those shots to inspire too many times what follows suit is a given. We've seen it a million times before. So is the life of a coach.
May giving a coach a competent roster is important too.
The firing seems to indicate that players weren't being played to be showcased. TBH I would actually think burying a guy at the bench and letting teams go "hey what happened to that redhead dude that was lights out from 3 last year" would get more calls than putting him out as a "showcase" so I don't know what to make of any of this other than it is absolutely clear to anyone who the team has been shopping and that fact alone seems to have made everyone lose interest.Another thing to remember is that just firing Brown isn't going to change the fact that a few players on the roster have very openly been dangled as trait bait for 1+ season now. I'm not sure what Monte's hold up is but my guess is value? If they still have some hope for this season Doug Christie will have to make a decision to move on with the players that could be or might be in the plans moving forward. Players like Huerter and Lyles getting minutes builds nothing if they are gone at any moment.
The firing seems to indicate that players weren't being played to be showcased. TBH I would actually think burying a guy at the bench and letting teams go "hey what happened to that redhead dude that was lights out from 3 last year" would get more calls than putting him out as a "showcase" so I don't know what to make of any of this other than it is absolutely clear to anyone who the team has been shopping and that fact alone seems to have made everyone lose interest.
We sort of had to play HB but I am not sure that Davion and Kevin's value could possibly get any lower not playing them than what has happened since the team made it clear we were moving them both.or, when a guy loses his starting job and then plays limited backup time, teams would look closely at the reasons for that
We sort of had to play HB but I am not sure that Davion and Kevin's value could possibly get any lower not playing them than what has happened since the team made it clear we were moving them both.
It was weird that we brought Kevin and Monk in within 48 hours. Not saying that Monk wasn't worth grabbing and I am pretty sure we got Kev first, but if we knew we had a line on Monk it probably wasn't worth giving up a future pick for Kev. And frankly grabbing DDR with the jam those two created has only made it worse, especially with Carter having been picked up and moving HB and forcing Keegan to play PF.And Kevin Huerter types aren't players that do very well in limited minutes. Limited minute wonders are usually athletes, or defenders, or rebounders. Rhythm scorers rarely succeed being yanked in and out and largely only impact that game if they are scoring. If they aren't every single thing they don't do makes it look really bad, hence why values get lowered relatively quickly.
If there's no value there's no value. You either buy out, shut them down, or you take a loss on a less than ideal trade.Sure. That's part of continuing to play a struggling player you want/need to trade. Hoping the averages come back around in their favor, in time to raise their value back near where it was prior to a long slump.
they like many around here, have probably figured that they can't possibly keep shooting this bad
If there's no value there's no value. You either buy out, shut them down, or you take a loss on a less than ideal trade.
He has not turned it around. It probably cost us the playoffs last year. And it ain't moving the needle this year.There's little value, if the role player has a long stretch of playing bad. If the player turns it around, like many have, then you've got something again
He has not turned it around. It probably cost us the playoffs last year. And it ain't moving the needle this year.
Beyond that, it's beyond obvious we are desperate to ship him. No GM in the league is going to give us what he is worth even if he scores 30ppg for the next 6 weeks.
I genuinely thought it was to facilitate a trade but it has only tanked his value while also taking more valuable guys off the court.Why do you think they keep playing him more than others?
This is what I would have personally done if the right offer was there. I don't know if they had entertained it seriously before 2 weeks ago. I didn't. I sincerely hope that they are seriously gauging the next 6 weeks under that lens. Tonight's returns thus far not good. Seemed to sleepwalk until the 4th quarter so a coach change was in fact not a wake up call for the guy demanding a shot at the supermax.Too soon to tell.
But I think we should have traded Fox first to catalyze a culture shift.
Outstanding post and better than I could have ever said. Agreed with dealing Fox, not so sure about Monk but really, anyone on the roster but Fox is the catalyst and he doesn’t get it. Most likely, this will get worse than get betterAs is often the case with this franchise, in the wake of yet another head coach firing I'm left wondering who the adults in the room are. Mike Brown has been consistently front and center in his approach since his first press conference. He put Fox on notice that he was going to be expecting a lot from him and his plan was to push him to be the best he can be because he saw superstar potential there. He's never been shy about demanding focus, effort, and leadership from all of his players. He told us that everyone on his team signs a paper at the start of the season stating that they agree to their role. This is exactly the level of leadership that was required in order to carry out one of the most challenging culture shifts in recent NBA history. And that's what earned him a unanimous Coach of the Year award for the 2022-2023 season.
Where I lose the thread here is that less than 2 years later somehow damn near everyone has apparently forgotten what the culture used to be in Sactown and erroneously concluded that we've solved that problem and Mike Brown's demanding no-compromises approach is no longer needed. This is a mistake. It's nonsensical to credit Coach Brown for changing the culture and then conclude that those changes will remain without his presence in the room. The only way to continue building in a positive direction is to keep the standards high and remove anyone who refuses to accept those standards.
But the decision has already been made so he's where I think we're at now. It's not going to be pretty...
At this point I think both Fox and Monk need to go if we want this to be a winning team again. They don't seem to take their jobs seriously or at least they feel they are above being coached. With the only voice pushing against their lackadaisical approach gone, it's only a matter of time before we lose the entire locker room. The front office siding with the star player in a player vs. coach standoff is nothing new but what's particularly alarming this time is that I think the coach was 100% right (his over-emphasis on three point shooting aside). What makes great teams great is accountability. Great players own their mistakes and work tirelessly to ensure they never make the same mistake twice.
I still think this team was a few pieces and an attitude adjustment away from figuring things out but that's all out the window now. The necessary attitude adjustment just became highly improbable if not impossible and while the lack of size and toughness can be corrected, getting the roster right feels beside the point when the core decision-making has already been compromised. We're dead in the water now unless Doug Christie is a Hall of Fame coach from day one. Here's hoping.
One of my favorite parts of this excellent post. Other than the part about trading Monk, I agree 100%.. The only way to continue building in a positive direction is to keep the standards high and remove anyone who refuses to accept those standards.
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I'm more of the mind that it was necessary rather than good so I will abstain from the poll.
Brown going from Coach of the Year two years ago and signing an extension this past summer to being fired is one of the most King's things ever.
For those of you who don't believe Brown is a good coach, you should direct your fire at the organization who signed him to an extension and apparently can't evaluate coaching talent.
This organization is currently a mess, and I blame Vivek.
You mean Brown tried to hold guys accountable there too?I'd look up his Cavs tenure. While the Kangz will Kangz, this is history repeating itself on a very similar timeline for Brown.
You mean Brown tried to hold guys accountable there too?