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pdxKingsFan

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#2
I'm pretty sure almost every team does this. And while the Pats are my "B" team I'm glad this happened to the Pats first - now all the other teams that pull the same crap are on notice and when they get busted the fines are likely to be even stiffer. The Dolphins pretty much admitted to stealing the Pats signals last season and the previous commisioner saw no problem with it.

And Mangini... well he has earned the "a".
 
#4
I'm pretty sure almost every team does this. And while the Pats are my "B" team I'm glad this happened to the Pats first - now all the other teams that pull the same crap are on notice and when they get busted the fines are likely to be even stiffer. The Dolphins pretty much admitted to stealing the Pats signals last season and the previous commisioner saw no problem with it.

And Mangini... well he has earned the "a".
Teams steal signals all the time. They use binoculars, etc. That's not what's against the rules.

The reason the Patriots got in trouble is because they were using video cameras to record the defensive signals, which is clearly a violation of league rules. There is a grey line ethically, because the spirit of competition should disallow the stealing of signals, but it's not in the rule book. Video-taping signals, however, is, and the Pats are paying for it.

Other teams might have done it in the past, but I doubt it's prevalent. I mean, Belichick is highly regarded as a genius; if he got caught, then it must not be that easy to get away with.

No matter, though. I bet the NFL allows radio equipment in a defensive player's helmet for next season, which the coaches have been lobbying for for several seasons, and getting closer and closer each year. That will put an end to stealing play calls with video equipment. Then teams can focus on stealing audibles and hand signals from the quarterback.
 

VF21

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#5
At what point did it become more important to steal signals than to just play the game? I am soooo old.

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#6
At what point did it become more important to steal signals than to just play the game?

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What they did broke the rules. Steal signals.. okay.. that's part of every sport. Sending a hired sleuth with a recording video camera to the other sidelines is bull****.
 
#7
At what point did it become more important to steal signals than to just play the game? I am soooo old.

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Stealing signals is part of the game, and there is really no way to police it.

Coaches steal signals in baseball and football all the time, for as long as I've been watching either sport.

That's why offensive coordinators in the NFL cover their mouths when they send the play in; it's why the NFL uses the in-helmet equipment to call plays. And they will probably approve the same equipment for one defensive player starting next season, that way they won't have to use signals to call defensive plays. I don't know why they've deemed it necessary for offensive play-calling, but ignored the need on defensive play-calling.

And, if a base-runner is on second, part of his job is to peek in and steal the catcher's signals to the pitcher.
 

VF21

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#8
Hello?

My point wasn't about the Patriots simply stealing signals, which I'm well aware every single team attempts to do to some extent.

My point was that when you're stretching the point to include video cameras I think you really need to reexamine your priorities.
 
#9
Hello?

My point wasn't about the Patriots simply stealing signals, which I'm well aware every single team attempts to do to some extent.

My point was that when you're stretching the point to include video cameras I think you really need to reexamine your priorities.
Ah. I thought you were surprised that teams steal signals....

... which would have really said something. ;)