Might as well get it out of the way: Propose a John Salmons give-a-way

[swisshh]

Salmons exacerbates problems within the offense, lost his first step and can't defend as well anymore, and pouts and quits if he is benched. He also has a bad contract.

So the only options are amnesty or trading him for another bad contract. Time to figure out some bad contract guys you'd rather have.

#1. Hedo - He passes, he's better chemistry-wise and he likes Sacramento. I think his contract has fewer years left as well.
#2. Richard Jefferson - Can dunk putbacks and hit threes once in awhile. Won't dominate the ball. I doubt Pop wants Salmons though.
#3. Rashard Lewis - King of the bad contracts. I bet the Wizards would do it just to rid themselves of Lewis like we'd rid ourselves of Salmons. It's a turd for turd straight up swap.

 

[rainmaker]

I'd rather have an extra 8M heading into free agency than any of those guys. Maybe RJ, but SA isn't trading RJ for Salmons straight up. Why trade for another bad contract? Just amnesty him and put these bad contracts behind us, and move forward. Why trade him and start another multi year countdown until the receiving contract expires?

Just amnesty him July 1st, and yell I hate you Petrie every morning until then.

 

[Section 101]

Salmons exacerbates problems within the offense, lost his first step and can't defend as well anymore, and pouts and quits if he is benched. He also has a bad contract.

So the only options are amnesty or trading him for another bad contract. Time to figure out some bad contract guys you'd rather have.

#1. Hedo - He passes, he's better chemistry-wise and he likes Sacramento. I think his contract has fewer years left as well.
#2. Richard Jefferson - Can dunk putbacks and hit threes once in awhile. Won't dominate the ball. I doubt Pop wants Salmons though.
#3. Rashard Lewis - King of the bad contracts. I bet the Wizards would do it just to rid themselves of Lewis like we'd rid ourselves of Salmons. It's a turd for turd straight up swap.

Isn't lewis making like 20+ mil/year? No way they take that on.

 

[swisshh]

Lewis has less years left. I'd rather amnesty and have the capspace, too, but I have little confidence in the Kings acquiring a free agent of value or worth.

 

[cuad]

Hedo needs the ball in his hands, otherwise he's useless.

 

[swisshh]

Hedo makes better decisions and doesn't need to dominate the ball. He can still hit the three when its kicked out to him. He is also quite good at feeding the post. I find Hedo to be more of a player who does good things when he has the ball rather the a player who needs to dominate the ball.

 

[KingsCitizen]

Why trade him for another SF? We have the most personnel on that spot. Trade him for a big or bench him. That's it!

 

[cuad]

I don't think we do. We have just two guys there: Donte Greene and Tyler Honeycutt. Travis Outlaw doesn't count as basketball player and Garcia, Salmons, Evans are all guards.

Our roster is all messed up. I hate that our two SFs are the ones getting the least minutes.

 

[Arkitect]

Unfortunately I think we are stuck with him until the end of the season. Then its amnesty and throw money at AK and hopefully we get him. While the trade is looking more and more like a huge misstep, it should not be a rebuild-derailing misstep. Thankfully we have the amnesty provision, or we would be screwed.

 

[mac]

Hedo makes better decisions and doesn't need to dominate the ball. He can still hit the three when its kicked out to him. He is also quite good at feeding the post. I find Hedo to be more of a player who does good things when he has the ball rather the a player who needs to dominate the ball.

I'm with you there. Honestly I'd trade him for anyone that can actually hit a 3 on a regular basis. We don't need another ballhandler at the 3 spot. And I don't think Salmons gives us that much defense at the 3 anyway. Hedo or Rashard would be a better fit than Salmons ... whether or not the contract is good for us I don't know. I'm not very knowledgeable about free agency and players' contracts.

I guess it comes down to a few issues:

1. Whether or not we can attract any good FA next offseason. If we can't, there's no point in having a lot of capspace. We of course have to keep in mind being able to re-sign Tyreke and DMC when that comes around

2. How important it is for us to win a couple more games this season. Do we just bench Salmons/ put up with his horrible play (I'd rather bench him) or try to move him for someone that whilst is on a bad contract can actually contribute more to the team? One concern I have with benching Salmons is that at this point I don't think we really have anyone to fill his shoes. Maybe with IT stepping up we can afford to have Jimmer back up the 2 instead, and play Donte and Garcia at the 3. Can also insert Outlaw/ Honeycutt for short periods just to give guys a breather. It's certainly not wise to have guys playing heavy minutes every game in this shorter season.

3. Whether or not the Maloofs can afford to amnesty Salmons.

I'm very interested in what Smart thinks about Salmons. Westphal clearly liked him, and he in turn liked Westphal, but Keith Smart has to be able to see that Salmons is not playing team ball. That's fine in little spurts if he actually contributes in other ways, but at some point you have to realise that 0-20 from 3 over that many games is 0-20, whether the guy shooting the ball is John Salmons or Shaquille O'Neal, and you have to make the adjustment so that you don't have that player taking 3s anymore.

 

[bluntsnbball]

What team is gonna give us anything of value for a scrub like Salmons? I can't imagine one team giving us anything for him based on his salary. If he was getting payed half of what he is, we may be able to get rid of him. but he's an over payed black hole and i don't see him fitting in on any roster for that salary. I still can't believe we passed on numerous guys in the draft to end up getting Jimmer and Salmons. Normally when you trade away your lower pick your supposed to get more in return than you give out.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

As much as I wanted the salmons trade to work... It clearly not the long term solution. He is a ball stopper. He doesn't pass when there is a open man.

It's going to be tough to move him bc the size length contract. Who would be dumb enough besides us to take his contract on. The proposal to amnesty him is probably the best solution. If he had 2 yrs left on his contract... It maybe moveable as q short term solution for a team to get into the playoffs. Does anybody think the maloofs would swallow his contract and amnesty him?

 

[JB_kings]

Nick Anderson worked out better than Salmons and Petrie dumped Nick quickly. I just don't get how Geoff can make the same mistake twice on the same guy.

 

[VF21]

Salmons exacerbates problems within the offense, lost his first step and can't defend as well anymore, and pouts and quits if he is benched. He also has a bad contract.

So the only options are amnesty or trading him for another bad contract. Time to figure out some bad contract guys you'd rather have.

#1. Hedo - He passes, he's better chemistry-wise and he likes Sacramento. I think his contract has fewer years left as well.
#2. Richard Jefferson - Can dunk putbacks and hit threes once in awhile. Won't dominate the ball. I doubt Pop wants Salmons though.
#3. Rashard Lewis - King of the bad contracts. I bet the Wizards would do it just to rid themselves of Lewis like we'd rid ourselves of Salmons. It's a turd for turd straight up swap.

I'm confused. Aside from #3, you haven't said why the other team would want stinky fish.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Rashard Lewis? That's gotta be desperation talking. He's no better than Salmons and he has the worst contract in the NBA. Richard Jefferson? I don't see him being much better than Salmons either and I suspect if he struggled here, fans would quickly turn on him as well. Hedo? That would be great, I think he'd be a good fit for this team but I don't see why Orlando would want Salmons over Hedo.

 

[mac]

Rashard Lewis? That's gotta be desperation talking. He's no better than Salmons and he has the worst contract in the NBA. Richard Jefferson? I don't see him being much better than Salmons either and I suspect if he struggled here, fans would quickly turn on him as well. Hedo? That would be great, I think he'd be a good fit for this team but I don't see why Orlando would want Salmons over Hedo.

At least those guys can hit a 3. You're not going to be able to trade Salmons for anything that fits well or that has a good contract here. This isn't like in normal trades when you're actually trying to get something good in return. In this case you're just trying to get someone who isn't as bad.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

At least those guys can hit a 3. You're not going to be able to trade Salmons for anything that fits well or that has a good contract here. This isn't like in normal trades when you're actually trying to get something good in return. In this case you're just trying to get someone who isn't as bad.

So could Salmons before he came back to the Kings. I've seen enough FG%s plummet once a player puts on a Kings jersey in the last few years that I'm honestly having a hard time believing it's not just something to do with the loser culture of the team making guys suck. for example, Dalembert shot over 50% from the field nearly every year of his career before becoming a King. He becomes a King, then suddenly shoots 47% (his worst since his rookie year). Now that he's no longer a King, presto...he's shooting 59% for the Rockets! Similar story with Carl Landry, who had his worst shooting year as a King.

Now I know correlation doesn’t prove causation but at some point, when the evidence keeps piling up, you have to start wondering if something is rotten in the State of Denmark.

It would actually make a fun experiment to bring Hedo, Lewis, and RJ here just to see if they start shooting career lows on arrival like so many other have.

 

[Lafayette]

Trade him for a towel boy, who cares, just get him out.

 

[KevinSalvadori]

Actually, I'd spin him with Tyreke to get an impact player of some kind, then trade pieces to get a true PG. My pick? Bargnani. I'd go like this:

SAC DEALS:
John Salmons, SF
Tyreke Evans, PG/SG
Donte Greene, SG/SF
Future Draft Pick

TOR DEALS:
Andrea Bargnani, PF
Linas Kleiza, SF

Then if we acquire a true passing PG (Miller or other) and a SF, we could have something.

C- Cousins
PF- Bargnani
SF- Kleiza (for now)
PG- Miller?
SG- Thornton

To get AB, it'd have to be a three team trade, but just throwing it out there...

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Actually, I'd spin him with Tyreke to get an impact player of some kind, then trade pieces to get a true PG. My pick? Bargnani. I'd go like this:

SAC DEALS:
John Salmons, SF
Tyreke Evans, PG/SG
Donte Greene, SG/SF
Future Draft Pick

TOR DEALS:
Andrea Bargnani, PF
Linas Kleiza, SF

Then if we acquire a true passing PG (Miller or other) and a SF, we could have something.

C- Cousins
PF- Bargnani
SF- Kleiza (for now)
PG- Miller?
SG- Thornton

To get AB, it'd have to be a three team trade, but just throwing it out there...

Toronto would do this in a heartbeat. Sac giving up a top flight guard for 2 shooting forwards? What's w the dre fascination? Dude is on the cusp of hanging up his shoes. Are we panicking and grasping for any short term success. We sucked *** for years before we got to this point where we'get amassed some young cheap talent & capspace. Have some patience, we are not th at far from long term success.

 

[KevinSalvadori]

Toronto would do this in a heartbeat. Sac giving up a top flight guard for 2 shooting forwards? What's w the dre fascination? Dude is on the cusp of hanging up his shoes. Are we panicking and grasping for any short term success. We sucked *** for years before we got to this point where we'get amassed some young cheap talent & capspace. Have some patience, we are not th at far from long term success.

I agree- this team isn't far. But they need a true PG with Reke going to the 2, at least. If we could get Barg for pieces, and maybe aquire Hinrich, we'd be in good country. It would require most of our depth, but passing and range could improve exponentially.

 

[ParniValjak]

Give him until the deadline at least (or at most by the end of the season) to see if he gets out of the funk. If you can't find a taker (highly likely) then amnesty him in summer to create cap space for genuine upgrades!

Oh wait....our owners are broke!

 

[Glenn]

Oh wait....our owners are broke!

And that, in the end, is our biggest problem as a franchise. We STILL have a low salary and we STILL have one of the lowet if not the lowest paid coaches in the league. I am not saying to throw money at the problem and that will cure it but you have to pay money for a great coach and you have to pay money to get a great free agent. We can shuffle pieces as much as we want or fantasize endlessly but to make a big change, which is what we need, we need to pay for it. Trades, almost by definition of the process, will not make a big change.

Last night the team set a record in the Sacramento era by scoring the least points in that era. I don't like to make much of one game but this is not simply one game; it's a continuation of a poor season that is showing little progress individually and as a team. I've got patience with the team as they are young and unfamiliar with each other but I have no patience with our owners.