[Game] Kings-Spurs Vegas Summer League - 7/11/14

[Swaze]

I wanted us to take Adams but I'm not a wise pundit. I may very well have picked Mclemore also but I would also hsve been on the phone to find out why his stock was falling.

That's all well and good but other than Adams who else did they really miss on? That's why I mentioned that you can't really call McLemore a bust even if he doesn't turn out because so many of the players drafted behind him are either not very good or role-players at best. He had a better year than a few of the players drafted in front of him. People are making too big a deal about him considering the context of who was drafted around him.

By the way Amare Stoudemire had "character issues" and his stock fell in the draft too and he turned into an A-Plus homerun for Phoenix when he was drafted 9th.

Like I said earlier McLemore was one of the few players in the 2013 NBA Draft with elite athletic ability and potential star upside. When your team is weak on talent and drafting 7th and he falls to you (they knew his issues) you have to take him.

 

[Glenn]

That's all well and good but other than Adams who else did they really miss on? That's why I mentioned that you can't really call McLemore a bust even if he doesn't turn out because so many of the players drafted behind him are either not very good or role-players at best. He had a better year than a few of the players drafted in front of him. People are making too big a deal about him considering the context of who was drafted around him.

By the way Amare Stoudemire had "character issues" and his stock fell in the draft too and he turned into an A-Plus homerun for Phoenix when he was drafted 9th.

Like I said earlier McLemore was one of the few players in the 2013 NBA Draft with elite athletic ability and potential star upside. When your team is weak on talent and drafting 7th and he falls to you (they knew his issues) you have to take him.

You're getting a bit sensitive. Just wanted to say I saw value in Adams. Maybe you weren't on the forum then. We also needed a defensive big.

 

[Swaze]

You're getting a bit sensitive. Just wanted to say I saw value in Adams. Maybe you weren't on the forum then. We also needed a defensive big.

I'm not sensitive just speaking the truth. Adams was viewed as a huge raw project and nobody projected him to be drafted in the Top-10. Raw "project" big men very rarely work out and most of the time make their teams look foolish for drafting them in the Top 10.

By the way I think you would agree that Steven Adams would not look nearly so good right now had he started his career here on a mess of a team. Part of the reason Adams is panning out and showing potential is the fact that he went to a great team. Kind of like how everything that San Antonio touches turns to gold. A project guy like Steven Adams gets drafted by a good team and he turns into something......when a bad team drafts a player like that you almost always get a bust.

 

[Tetsujin]

Okay, guys. Let's keep it about the posts and not the posters. If someone gets on your nerves too much, you can always utilize the IGNORE feature. It can be your friend.

You know what would make us all feel better? Mocking the mentally deficient portion of our fanbase (Not from the IT-fan aspect but from a "This guy is off his rocker" standpoint).

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[Big Cuz 15]

You know the irony of your constant criticizing of the front office is you seem to have a higher percentage of dumb posts than they have dumb decisions. Since you like to talk about "noobs" so much (projecting maybe?) prepare to learn something.....

Ben McLemore was the "best player available" at #7 in a weak draft. Flaws and red flags or not, he was projected to go in the Top-5 by just about every NBA expert. He was regarded as a player with potential to be a bust but also as a player with a high ceiling. McLemore was one of the very few players in that weak draft that many experts thought at least had the potential to be a star. The Kings had a roster that was severely lacking in top level talent and athletic ability.

Once Ben was available at #7, PDA did what just about every other NBA GM would have done in his situation.......drafted the "best player available" that had a chance to be a star. Most of the pundits gave the Kings a good draft grade last year and said that it was a smart pick because the Kings needed another potential star, they needed a great athlete, and they needed shooting. McLemore had the potential to fill all three of those voids. Again most of the NBA experts liked the pick and most of the fans were pretty happy with it (even though many wanted Noel who was taken one spot before)

The Kings were not in a position last year to make a "safe pick" and draft a mid-level talent whose ceiling was going to be a career backup. With the Kings roster last year and picking 7th, when someone who had as much hype and athletic talent as McLemore falls to you at #7 you have to take him. Especially in a weak draft......who else was there that anybody would have been happy with at the time?

You mention Steven Adams in another post? Seriously? You really want to try and pretend like the Kings should have picked him at 7 like you knew all along? Nobody talked about Steven Adams being drafted in the Top-10. Sure enough nobody drafted him in the Top-10. You talk about the Kings Front Office being noobs but what about all of the others that passed on Steven Adams through the first 11 picks?

The stupid thing in all of this is that while it's not looking good for McLemore he's still very young and has only played one season. His window is not closed and his ceiling has not been reached and is not yet out of reach. He had a better season than half the guys drafted top n front if him (and in the Top-10) and he'll probably still end up being a better player than at least a couple guys drafted in front of him.

It's easy to play "Monday Morning Quarterback" and say "they should have done this and they should have done that" but only real noobs run their mouths so loudly after the fact like they knew better when reality is you probably would have made the same pick or even worse.

Why thank you captain obvious. I enjoy speaking the truth.

Yeah he was projected to be in the top 5 AND? He was projected to slip also. *WHY?* http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on...n-mclemore-slipping-because-of-workout-issues
This report came out on june 18. When is the draft? Maybe a week after the report came out? The red flags showed up way before giving them time to find out why. Bottom line, they didn't do their due diligence by working him out like most teams do. Maybe if they did, they would have passed on him also. Since this is a business they SHOULD have done their due diligence? Since they are pouring millions of dollars into an investment they'd want to make sure that is the one. Alas, they didn't so they reap what they sow. I think they did they learned their lesson from Ben and did their due diligence this time around though.

"NBA GM would have done in his situation.......drafted the "best player available" That is if they want to keep the pick. If this was such a weak draft why not bank ben's upside potential and net like a jrue holiday in a trade. Apparently they were really high on him and even tried to move up to get him although they didn't work him out.

Hey we were lucky enough when T-Rob who was touted as possible top 2 pick fell in our laps. Oops didn't work him out either. He turned out to be such a stud we unloaded him halfway through his rookie season.

When the noob FO took over they spoke about defense & shot blocking needs. There was one there that they didn't even bother to work out or take a real hard look at. So what about the other 11 teams? Are they the team I'm rooting for? Do I give a ---- about them?

 

[VF21]

You know what would make us all feel better? Mocking the mentally deficient portion of our fanbase (Not from the IT-fan aspect but from a "This guy is off his rocker" standpoint).

That guy is scary. You keep retweeting his rants and I get the "clown in the sewer" feeling every time I read them.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

I'm not sensitive just speaking the truth. Adams was viewed as a huge raw project and nobody projected him to be drafted in the Top-10. Raw "project" big men very rarely work out and most of the time make their teams look foolish for drafting them in the Top 10.

By the way I think you would agree that Steven Adams would not look nearly so good right now had he started his career here on a mess of a team. Part of the reason Adams is panning out and showing potential is the fact that he went to a great team. Kind of like how everything that San Antonio touches turns to gold. A project guy like Steven Adams gets drafted by a good team and he turns into something......when a bad team drafts a player like that you almost always get a bust.

so he is good because he is on playing on a good team? not because he is a defensive beast? not because he has actual talent? i think he would do better here because he would get the ample playing time under a defensive minded coach. he's getting backup minutes at OKC. if he was an offensive minded player, he would never get to touch the ball on this team. however, he's a defensive player with only a few notable skills, rebounding, blocking shots, setting picks and dunking.

 

[KingMilz]

I don't get why you can only purchase the SL league pass thing only if your in the USA, I love watching SL and it sucks I can't find the Kings game anywhere. How did Acy play?

 

[VF21]

I don't get why you can only purchase the SL league pass thing only if your in the USA, I love watching SL and it sucks I can't find the Kings game anywhere. How did Acy play?

He looked really good in the first half. In the second half, not so much but not terrible. It's very interesting that he's developed a nice jumper I don't remember seeing before. The threes he hit were nothing but net.

 

[KingMilz]

He looked really good in the first half. In the second half, not so much but not terrible. It's very interesting that he's developed a nice jumper I don't remember seeing before. The threes he hit were nothing but net.

During the season I thought when he shot with confidents and didn't think about it his jumper was money, but to often with his slow wind up he was hesitating and not having confidents in it, I always thought his jumper during the season was a lot better than he actually thought it was if that makes sense.

Cheers for the update as well

 

[swisshh]

You know what would make us all feel better? Mocking the mentally deficient portion of our fanbase (Not from the IT-fan aspect but from a "This guy is off his rocker" standpoint).

I listened to 1140 last week and realized there was a strong correlation between the IT fans and the Cousins Sucks fanbase.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Bottom line, they didn't do their due diligence by working him out like most teams do. Maybe if they did, they would have passed on him also. Since this is a business they SHOULD have done their due diligence?

McLemore's agent refused to allow McLemore to work out for the Kings. We had the #7 pick, McLemore's draft stock was top-5 in a weak draft. Typically, agents don't let their clients work out below where their projected floor (and yes, McLemore's agent projected his floor as above the Kings at #7) because they feel it is a sign of weakness. If you work out for #7, that means you think you might drop to #7. If you think you might drop to #7, then maybe you aren't good enough to go top 5, so if I'm thinking of drafting you top 5, that might make me re-think the situation. That's the sort of game going on here.

The bottom line is that the Kings wanted to work out McLemore, but his agent wouldn't allow it. It had nothing to do with not doing their due diligence.

 

[ParniValjak]

I don't get why you can only purchase the SL league pass thing only if your in the USA, I love watching SL and it sucks I can't find the Kings game anywhere. How did Acy play?

If you had league pass last season (premium package) you could watch the summer league game! I watched Kings Vs Spurs!

 

[Glenn]

I'm not sensitive just speaking the truth. Adams was viewed as a huge raw project and nobody projected him to be drafted in the Top-10. Raw "project" big men very rarely work out and most of the time make their teams look foolish for drafting them in the Top 10.

By the way I think you would agree that Steven Adams would not look nearly so good right now had he started his career here on a mess of a team. Part of the reason Adams is panning out and showing potential is the fact that he went to a great team. Kind of like how everything that San Antonio touches turns to gold. A project guy like Steven Adams gets drafted by a good team and he turns into something......when a bad team drafts a player like that you almost always get a bust.

You know all this based on what?

 

[KingMilz]

If you had league pass last season (premium package) you could watch the summer league game! I watched Kings Vs Spurs!

O serious THANK YOU SO MUCH i do have

Carolija love you very much

 

[ParniValjak]

O serious THANK YOU SO MUCH i do have

Carolija love you very much

You are welcome mate! I managed to watch the game yesterday so not sure if it was a freebie throw in as a promotion or if they forgot to cut me off! Didn't try watching any other games so might have blown my quota

 

[Monster]

You know what would make us all feel better? Mocking the mentally deficient portion of our fanbase (Not from the IT-fan aspect but from a "This guy is off his rocker" standpoint).

you want mentally deficient? Go look at the Kings official facebook page. The comments on there are.....painful. We draft stauskas and you get a bunch of people with "Who? Dum pik again dis year." and "Another Jimmer? Slow and white!" now there are people on there crying about how IT was the lifeblood of the team and want to give up on the kings. Sorry, but if you bolt your team because of how they draft and make trades...you were never a fan. I sat through an 0-16 lions season and i still rocked my gear around Sac.

 

[jcwkings]

Everytime I see/will see Derrick Williams sleepwalk through a game I will be reminded he is making the same salary as Isaiah Thomas, who the GM didnt even bother to meet.

 

[mac]

That's all well and good but other than Adams who else did they really miss on? That's why I mentioned that you can't really call McLemore a bust even if he doesn't turn out because so many of the players drafted behind him are either not very good or role-players at best. He had a better year than a few of the players drafted in front of him. People are making too big a deal about him considering the context of who was drafted around him.

By the way Amare Stoudemire had "character issues" and his stock fell in the draft too and he turned into an A-Plus homerun for Phoenix when he was drafted 9th.

Like I said earlier McLemore was one of the few players in the 2013 NBA Draft with elite athletic ability and potential star upside. When your team is weak on talent and drafting 7th and he falls to you (they knew his issues) you have to take him.

Well I can't talk about talent, but from a fit standpoint we could have re signed Tyreke (if we're simply after potential stars). We also had Thornton who at that point was not a bad player. Slightly overpaid perhaps but nobody could have foreseen the abysmal season he had. From that angle alone we could have gone after someone else who better fit the team.

I think the real issue is that this FO wanted and still wants to establish its own identity, hence PDAs comments that he will continue to draft SGs if need be until we get a star. Or something along those lines. They will continue to try to bring in their own stars rather than develop from the Maloof team (not that much of it is left).

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Everytime I see/will see Derrick Williams sleepwalk through a game I will be reminded he is making the same salary as Isaiah Thomas, who the GM didnt even bother to meet.

thankfully he's going to be an expiring contract this upcoming season.

 

[Swaze]

You know all this based on what?

Common sense, history, and how actual events played out. I know Steven Adams wasn't talked about as being a Top-10 pick because none of the experts and mock drafts had him going in the Top-10 before the draft........................and guess what he wasn't picked in the Top-10! So not only did none of the experts see him going in the Top-10 but when it came time to draft him none of the other GM's (including our own "noob" GM) did anything outside of the ordinary and what everybody already knew.

And for all the talk of Steven Adams as if PDA somehow blew it and missed on him. Adams is a guy that only played 14 MPG last season and averaged 3 Points and 4 Rebounds.

 

[Gilles]

I'm not sensitive just speaking the truth. Adams was viewed as a huge raw project and nobody projected him to be drafted in the Top-10. Raw "project" big men very rarely work out and most of the time make their teams look foolish for drafting them in the Top 10.

By the way I think you would agree that Steven Adams would not look nearly so good right now had he started his career here on a mess of a team. Part of the reason Adams is panning out and showing potential is the fact that he went to a great team. Kind of like how everything that San Antonio touches turns to gold. A project guy like Steven Adams gets drafted by a good team and he turns into something......when a bad team drafts a player like that you almost always get a bust.

When Adams started his freshman season in college, he was barely playable. By the end of that season he was solid Touney-level big. With the improvement Boogie and JT showed last season Adams would've been fine. You look for physical attributes(probably second behind Drummond among bigs in last few drafts), skills (not impressive there, but without noticeable weaknesses for a center) and in-year improvement (very good).