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I just don't see who is going to have much trade value other than Sabonis. Kings are in a bad spot where they need to rebuild but don't have much to start a proper rebuild. They're like a half step above an expansion team right now. Nearly starting from scratch.
 
ESP47 said:
I just don't see who is going to have much trade value other than Sabonis. Kings are in a bad spot where they need to rebuild but don't have much to start a proper rebuild. They're like a half step above an expansion team right now. Nearly starting from scratch.
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There's definitely not a ton of trade value on the roster, but that sort of doesn't matter. They just need to move off this collection of going-nowhere veterans and get whatever draft compensation they can in return. And they're not exactly starting from scratch, either, as a rebuild begun in earnest by the trade deadline that seeks to add high value talent via the draft to Murray, Ellis, Carter, Clifford, and Raynaud presents fans with at least something to root for, as well as some sort of long-term vision that prioritizes defense for the first time in this franchise's entire Sacramento-era history. It might not be much, but it's a significantly more worthy product than whatever Sabonis-plus-everybody-else's-over-the-hill-cast-offs is going to look like this season.
 
Padrino said:
There's definitely not a ton of trade value on the roster, but that sort of doesn't matter. They just need to move off this collection of going-nowhere veterans and get whatever draft compensation they can in return. And they're not exactly starting from scratch, either, as a rebuild begun in earnest by the trade deadline that seeks to add high value talent via the draft to Murray, Ellis, Carter, Clifford, and Raynaud presents fans with at least something to root for, as well as some sort of long-term vision that prioritizes defense for the first time in this franchise's entire Sacramento-era history. It might not be much, but it's a significantly more worthy product than whatever Sabonis-plus-everybody-else's-over-the-hill-cast-offs is going to look like this season.
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I think having trade value on the roster matters to a great extent. Rebuilding with single first round picks and a roster full of role players is not an easy way to build a good team.

Keon is an unrestricted free agent. Perry is playing with fire for no reason with his situation. Carter is going to get almost no playing time unless multiple players get hurt or traded. At some point the Kings will either have to extend him while still having no idea what they have in him or they'll have to let him go for nothing. Clifford looks promising and Raynaud will probably not amount to much since big men that can't play defense don't really carve out much of a career in the league.

I agree that I'd rather watch the young guys play and fail over the old guys failing but it would be nice if we had a small cache of first round picks to go along with watching the young guys fail. At the moment, only Sabonis has enough value to bring a first round pick back and I have a feeling the rest of the league already knows what we know. That it's very difficult to win when your big man can't play defense, even if he is a walking double double and triple double threat.
 
ESP47 said:
I think having trade value on the roster matters to a great extent. Rebuilding with single first round picks and a roster full of role players is not an easy way to build a good team.

Keon is an unrestricted free agent. Perry is playing with fire for no reason with his situation. Carter is going to get almost no playing time unless multiple players get hurt or traded. At some point the Kings will either have to extend him while still having no idea what they have in him or they'll have to let him go for nothing. Clifford looks promising and Raynaud will probably not amount to much since big men that can't play defense don't really carve out much of a career in the league.

I agree that I'd rather watch the young guys play and fail over the old guys failing but it would be nice if we had a small cache of first round picks to go along with watching the young guys fail. At the moment, only Sabonis has enough value to bring a first round pick back and I have a feeling the rest of the league already knows what we know. That it's very difficult to win when your big man can't play defense, even if he is a walking double double and triple double threat.
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To be clear, I do not disagree at all that the Kings have really failed to build a cache of draft picks to help them get started with any potential rebuild. My point was mostly that they just need to get on with it, ya know? There's no point lingering on the moves that weren't made by prior Kings' front offices. If the cupboard's bare, then the cupboard's bare. They are going nowhere with this roster as-constructed, and Domas is literally the only veteran asset the Kings possess that will bring back anything of value in a trade. Nothing's going to change the fact that they're not winning with this crew, nothing's going to change the fact that they're getting little in return for DeRozan, for LaVine, and even for Monk, and nothing's going to change the fact that they still need to think about the future. So get on with it.

By December, I'm guessing the team is going to be in quite a hole. At that time, they should be looking to jettison everything except Murray, Ellis, Carter, Nique, and Raynaud. They likely won't be able to move off of more than one or two of their vets before the trade deadline, but regardless, the company line should be: We're bad, we know we're bad, we're going to find new homes for these veterans who deserve to compete, and we're going to focus on rebuilding for the future. Hopefully they'll be able to snag somebody's middling future first rounder by the deadline, or at least some noteworthy swap rights, in addition to some number of second rounders. It's not much, but still... get on with it.

Frankly, my belief is that this franchise needs to man up, stop dithering about in never-never land, accept that they're not a playoff team, accept that they're not well-positioned for the future, and commit to the hard work of rebuilding anyway, slow as it will be to get started. I currently live in Northern Virginia. I'm 45 minutes away from the Capitol One Arena, home of the Washington Wizards. And it pains me to no end that the effing Wizards are doing it better than the Kings right now. They've finally got a front office that is committed to doing the work of rebuilding, and they've got buy-in from ownership to set their franchise up for future success. Personally, I'd rather the Scott Perry regime skip over the whole Laughingstock of the League™ phase of Kangz basketball that we're so used to around these parts and just get on with it.
 
Padrino said:
To be clear, I do not disagree at all that the Kings have really failed to build a cache of draft picks to help them get started with any potential rebuild. My point was mostly that they just need to get on with it, ya know? There's no point lingering on the moves that weren't made by prior Kings' front offices. If the cupboard's bare, then the cupboard's bare. They are going nowhere with this roster as-constructed, and Domas is literally the only veteran asset the Kings possess that will bring back anything of value in a trade. Nothing's going to change the fact that they're not winning with this crew, nothing's going to change the fact that they're getting little in return for DeRozan, for LaVine, and even for Monk, and nothing's going to change the fact that they still need to think about the future. So get on with it.

By December, I'm guessing the team is going to be in quite a hole. At that time, they should be looking to jettison everything except Murray, Ellis, Carter, Nique, and Raynaud. They likely won't be able to move off of more than one or two of their vets before the trade deadline, but regardless, the company line should be: We're bad, we know we're bad, we're going to find new homes for these veterans who deserve to compete, and we're going to focus on rebuilding for the future. Hopefully they'll be able to snag somebody's middling future first rounder by the deadline, or at least some noteworthy swap rights, in addition to some number of second rounders. It's not much, but still... get on with it.

Frankly, my belief is that this franchise needs to man up, stop dithering about in never-never land, accept that they're not a playoff team, accept that they're not well-positioned for the future, and commit to the hard work of rebuilding anyway, slow as it will be to get started. I currently live in Northern Virginia. I'm 45 minutes away from the Capitol One Arena, home of the Washington Wizards. And it pains me to no end that the effing Wizards are doing it better than the Kings right now. They've finally got a front office that is committed to doing the work of rebuilding, and they've got buy-in from ownership to set their franchise up for future success. Personally, I'd rather the Scott Perry regime skip over the whole Laughingstock of the League™ phase of Kangz basketball that we're so used to around these parts and just get on with it.
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Agreed. It has Vivek's stank written all over it. Not getting on with it is how you go 17 years in between playoff berths. Random average veteran signings make good teams better. They don't make bad teams good. I don't think Vivek has learned that yet. I don't know exactly what type of control Vivek exerts but the same mistakes keep being made, regardless of who is the coach or GM and the only constant over all of it has been Vivek.
 
ESP47 said:
Agreed. It has Vivek's stank written all over it. Not getting on with it is how you go 17 years in between playoff berths. Random average veteran signings make good teams better. They don't make bad teams good. I don't think Vivek has learned that yet. I don't know exactly what type of control Vivek exerts but the same mistakes keep being made, regardless of who is the coach or GM and the only constant over all of it has been Vivek.
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Agreed. After 12 years of owning the Kings, you'd think Vivek would have learned a thing or two about the process of building a team. That doesn't seem to be the case, however, and it's hard to watch GM after GM invest in the same types of players in the same types of ways with the same types of failures because we all know it's not going to work. Everybody seems to know except the owner.

And look, I was a huge supporter of the Haliburton-Sabonis trade. I was one of the few heralding it as a coup long before the media decided to run with its "both sides won the trade" narrative after the Beam Team ascended. And yet, I caveated my assessment at the time by saying that I loved the trade within the context of Vivek Ranadive utterly refusing to commit to a long-term rebuilding process. I would have preferred for the Kings to hold onto Tyrese if they planned to lose enough games to keep drawing high value draft picks so they could build an exciting young team. That wasn't in the cards. It was never in the cards. So I was supportive of the Sabonis acquisition as an effort to get the Kings into the playoff conversation.

So sadly short-lived the Beam Team ultimately was. Now I'm in a place where I just flat-out refuse to countenance any more short-term thinking from this organization. The minute De'Aaron Fox demanded a trade, this iteration of the Kings was coming to an end. And the minute he was traded for Zach LaVine, this iteration of the Kings was absolutely doomed. It threw an already ill-fitting roster so far out of whack that they were never going to be able to recover in any meaningful way.

Whether it was Monte's call or Vivek's call or some other voice in the organization... I honestly don't even care anymore. The decisions were made. They were bad decisions. Just don't lean further into the bad decision-making! Get on with the process of starting over so the organization can put out a product that they're proud of, and so that the fans can root for a product that they're proud of. But who the hell is looking at this assemblage of players and saying "Oh yeah, baby, I can't wait for the season to start! THIS is Kings basketball!!!"??

Even if they manage to outperform my expectations and compete for a play-in berth, why should I care? Why should I tune in? They're not making a deep playoff run. Westbrook is 37 and on a one-year deal. DeRozan is 36 and not long for this team. Schroder is 32 and past whatever his prime could have been considered to be in the NBA. LaVine is 30 and has never won anything of note. None of these guys are going to be here in a year or two. And god, I love Domas. I really do. But Fox left him holding the bag, and he's not good enough on his own to pull this team up out of the weeds. So I'm going to let this be my refrain for the 2025-2026 season: Just get on with it. Blow it up. The Kings have a few fun young pieces. Go get a few more. Start over. And commit to it.
 
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