KG - Only for Kobe or LeBron...

Finally... maybe people are gonna stop fantasyzing over him now that we all know that we have no chance of getting him.
 
Looks like KG isn't going anywhere. Time to surround him with some decent players! TWolves should go after Rick btw, offer him so much he can't refuse.
 
captain bill said:
or just being smart and knowing that building around KG is far more likely to succeed than anyone they get in return.
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Unfortunately for them KG is on the downside of his career, Kobe is still in his prime and LeBron's is probably 3-4 years away. Will they get fair value for KG? Not likely, but it seems like they won't be able to be competitive until they shed his contract. I highly doubt when its over he's gonna stick around for a pay cut either. He'll sign with a loaded team with a strong chance of getting to the finals.
 
if you're the T'Wolves would you inquire about maybe a Paul Pierce? I know there were rumors last offseason about the Celtics shopping Pierce.

KG for Pierce. Has a nice ring to it.
 
I think this goes here:

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My friend once said:

This pic is so funny! Even funnier the second time I saw it when I was smoking something! ;)

EDIT:

Here's the real one:

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Mr. S£im Citrus said:
Why?
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Was a joke because Hassell's a defensive-minded player.

While not changing his approach really, should be mentioned Hassell has at least improved his offense to decent from little-to-none before this season though. ;)
 
pdxKingsFan said:
Unfortunately for them KG is on the downside of his career, Kobe is still in his prime and LeBron's is probably 3-4 years away. Will they get fair value for KG? Not likely, but it seems like they won't be able to be competitive until they shed his contract. I highly doubt when its over he's gonna stick around for a pay cut either. He'll sign with a loaded team with a strong chance of getting to the finals.
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Of course they can be competitive with his contract. Fans and the media are ridiculous when it comes to fear of contracts. He's a great player and will take up cap space, duh. They just can't make dumb moves anymore. (ie Cassell for Jaric, Spree for nothing, although both of those are just bad luck really). Some shrewd GMing could get that team back to contender status in one year. (and making horizontal deals like the Wally World one do not count as shrewd GMing)

But if they trade away KG they're left with nothing. Their team is bottom of the league without him, not just out of the playoffs. So asking for a superstar is not unreasonable, otherwise their stuck with a bunch of "moveable pieces" on a 15 win team. Getting small contracts and servicable players only works if you have other players to build around (ie Kobe post-Shaq, Miller/Bibby/Peja post-Webber). Imagine if Webb got traded for the Philly 3 and the rest of our roster was Marcus Banks, Ricky Davis, Mark Blount and Rashad McCants. Not a pleasant thought. Add Kenny Thomas or Lamar Odom to that team and it still blows. So they really have no choice but to build with KG or get someone equivalent who can be a centerpiece, not a nice good complementary one (like Miller, Bonzi or whoever else we would offer other than Artest)
 
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Of course they can be competitive with his contract. Fans and the media are ridiculous when it comes to fear of contracts. He's a great player and will take up cap space, duh. They just can't make dumb moves anymore. (ie Cassell for Jaric, Spree for nothing, although both of those are just bad luck really). Some shrewd GMing could get that team back to contender status in one year. (and making horizontal deals like the Wally World one do not count as shrewd GMing)
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Considering they don't have many trading assets, that contract could very well become a problem. Shrewd GM'ing can only go so far when there really is no easy fix out there on the market for what you can pay, let alone what you could possibly trade for. They at least have a lotto pick to maybe trade.
 
SacTownKid said:
Considering they don't have many trading assets, that contract could very well become a problem. Shrewd GM'ing can only go so far when there really is no easy fix out there on the market for what you can pay, let alone what you could possibly trade for. They at least have a lotto pick to maybe trade.
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consider the juxtaposed ideas in the bolded sentence above:

a) few tradeable assets
b) a single large problematic contract

that is easily rectified. garnett is gonna be a superstar in this league until that contract runs out. he's still putting up great numbers, though slightly down from previous seasons. if his knees haven't failed him by the time his contract expires, then minnesota is a winner. they dump his salary and become a huge player in the free agent market. if they fail to surround KG with a suitable supporting cast in the interim, then there's gonna be some bad years in there, but when KG's contract is no longer minnesota's problem (2009?), they win out, either via trade of his contract as it becomes an expiring asset or via serious cap relief when it runs its course. i think shrewd GM'ing is crucial for the t-pups until that point. make the right moves. don't trade laterally like they did with wally. it does no good. make moves to improve the team. if their assets really are not tradeable, then do not even think of moving that lottery pick. scout out a young talent for this year's draft. be prepared for the post-garnett timberwolves. get to the playoffs. make the ticket-buyers happy. let garnett come off the books, and be ready to sign the next franchise player. teams move in cycles. just look at sacramento in the post-webber era. unfortunately, we've still got a few bad contracts remaining. minnesota, however, really only has KG's to worry about.
 
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Kings113 said:
Was a joke because Hassell's a defensive-minded player.

While not changing his approach really, should be mentioned Hassell has at least improved his offense to decent from little-to-none before this season though. ;)
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Okay... I thought it might have been a joke about his offense, which I can prove to be wrong.

Hassell's never been a poor offensive player (44% for his career, above 46% since being traded to Minnesota); he just isn't asked to score.
 
There are actually a lot of good players they can get IMO. Players that have worn out their welcome with their team like Stephen Jackson. They have a lottery pick to get someone that can come in and contribute right away. They just need to fire that dumb *** Mchale(why haven't they done that yet?).
 
BMiller52 said:
There are actually a lot of good players they can get IMO. Players that have worn out their welcome with their team like Stephen Jackson.
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Why would they want Jackson when they already have Ricky Davis?
 
Evenstar said:
chaps said:
Finally... maybe people are gonna stop fantasyzing over him now that we all know that we have no chance of getting him.
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thats never going to happen. not around here.
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WORD!

If we stop dreaming, we might as well stop breathing.
 
Well of course the Wolves are going to stand behind GK and say they will not trade him, but the bottom line is EVERYTHING is negotiable. If KG demads a trade things change. I would also suspect that there are collections of players that might get interst as well if Minny realy wants to go somewhere they need more that a #12 pick and a MLE player to get there.
 
chaps said:
Finally... maybe people are gonna stop fantasyzing over him now that we all know that we have no chance of getting him.
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Well as Micky Rourk says in Diner, "If you don't have big dreams you have nothing left but nightmares."
 
captain bill said:
Of course they can be competitive with his contract. Fans and the media are ridiculous when it comes to fear of contracts. He's a great player and will take up cap space, duh. They just can't make dumb moves anymore. (ie Cassell for Jaric, Spree for nothing, although both of those are just bad luck really). Some shrewd GMing could get that team back to contender status in one year. (and making horizontal deals like the Wally World one do not count as shrewd GMing)

But if they trade away KG they're left with nothing. Their team is bottom of the league without him, not just out of the playoffs. So asking for a superstar is not unreasonable, otherwise their stuck with a bunch of "moveable pieces" on a 15 win team. Getting small contracts and servicable players only works if you have other players to build around (ie Kobe post-Shaq, Miller/Bibby/Peja post-Webber). Imagine if Webb got traded for the Philly 3 and the rest of our roster was Marcus Banks, Ricky Davis, Mark Blount and Rashad McCants. Not a pleasant thought. Add Kenny Thomas or Lamar Odom to that team and it still blows. So they really have no choice but to build with KG or get someone equivalent who can be a centerpiece, not a nice good complementary one (like Miller, Bonzi or whoever else we would offer other than Artest)
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Since KG's contract predates the CBA where hard caps were placed on player salaries he is a unique case especially after you factor in the Joe Smith fiasco which cost them multiple draft picks. They could actually bring in multiple all star caliber players for him plus a complementary player and a draft pick if a team desparately wanted KG but I doubt they will get either of the top two players in the league especially when they are younger. But KG still has plenty of value around the league plus he would excite the fan base so I don't think they'd be stuck with what we got for Webber. I also think if they let his contract expire they'll be stuck rebuilding completely from scratch so they'll eventually be better off trading him for something rather than nothing.

People have suggested sending Bibby, a re-signed Bonzi, Cisco, Reef and our pick for KG. Are you telling me the Wolves wouldn't be a better team if they took that? I think they'd be robbing us but people are lobbying hard for something like this.
 
...that offers won't even be heard unless a player they would be receiving in return is either named Kobe Bryant of LeBron James.
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so i guess that officially makes kobe bryant a pompous *** and lebron james a landmark.
 
chaps said:
Finally... maybe people are gonna stop fantasyzing over him now that we all know that we have no chance of getting him.
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It's become a yearly ritual; it's not going anywhere anytime soon.

Stick around a little long and you'll see some more threads like this. The "Fire Adelman" ship has sailed, though. I sure will miss it. (Sike.)
 
twocents said:
so i guess that officially makes kobe bryant a pompous *** and lebron james a landmark.
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that had me rollin'.... of lebron james, lmao... i know that he has a big head but dang....
 
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