How Far Will Kings Go

[VF21]

'None of the above' is only a legitimate answer when the other options don't include every possibility. If we're talking about the outcome of the playoffs, the possibilities are 1)lose in first round 2)lose in second round 3) lose in WCF 4) Lose in finals 5)champions. It's going to be one of those, and every option was included...

That is not how polls are conducted.

Let's take a simple example. Say the question is: Do you think the Kings can win the NBA championship in 2005?

There are THREE possible answers that have to be accounted for. 1) Yes 2) No and 3) No opinion (or unable to tell, etc.)

You have to allow for people in your polling sample to indicate the "none of the above" response.

If, at the end of the poll, you actually talked to 100 people, your results (fictional of course, since I haven't actually asked 100 people) would be something like:

In a recent survey, 100 people were asked if they thought the Kings could win the 205 NBA championship. 75 responded YES, 22 responded NO and 3 had no opinion.

That's sampling and statistics, my friend, and it's universal.

 

[iheartBrad]

^it also makes me want to watch Family Feud..heh

 

[KP]

That is not how polls are conducted.

Let's take a simple example. Say the question is: Do you think the Kings can win the NBA championship in 2005?

There are THREE possible answers that have to be accounted for. 1) Yes 2) No and 3) No opinion (or unable to tell, etc.)

You have to allow for people in your polling sample to indicate the "none of the above" response.

If, at the end of the poll, you actually talked to 100 people, your results (fictional of course, since I haven't actually asked 100 people) would be something like:

In a recent survey, 100 people were asked if they thought the Kings could win the 205 NBA championship. 75 responded YES, 22 responded NO and 3 had no opinion.

That's sampling and statistics, my friend, and it's universal.

Well I for one like the I don't know option. It's made the results of this poll a lot more plausible.

 

[hrdboild]

But in this case it's more like 27% had no opinion. And besides, this is a Kings fan board! Everybody has an opinion on how far the Kings will go in the playoffs. I just don't see the point of having an option for "No way to tell" when it's a given that there is no way to tell. That's like, will the coin turn up heads or tails? Heads, Tails, No way to tell. Why even have that option? I don't see how it makes the results "more plausible". Take out the 'no way to tell' people, and roughly 20% of the people who actually answered the question thought the Kings would go all the way. I don't really care that much, it's just a silly poll. I just think that's a cop out answer in any circumstances.

 

[iheartBrad]

^^you both have really strong arguments for why "no way to tell" should be in the poll and why "no way to tell" should not be in the poll...

I do find it amusing that we're even talking about polls/surveys and how they opperate...but then again what do i expect on a non game day

 

[KP]

But in this case it's more like 27% had no opinion. And besides, this is a Kings fan board! Everybody has an opinion on how far the Kings will go in the playoffs. I just don't see the point of having an option for "No way to tell" when it's a given that there is no way to tell. That's like, will the coin turn up heads or tails? Heads, Tails, No way to tell. Why even have that option? I don't see how it makes the results "more plausible". Take out the 'no way to tell' people, and roughly 20% of the people who actually answered the question thought the Kings would go all the way. I don't really care that much, it's just a silly poll. I just think that's a cop out answer in any circumstances.

This isn't a coin flip, there has been plenty of evidence to justify an opinion, sure there are a lot of unknowns still, but this team isn't exactly tearing it up lately, but everyone is entitled to their opinion even if it is that they aren't sure.

 

[HndsmCelt]

That is not how polls are conducted.

Let's take a simple example. Say the question is: Do you think the Kings can win the NBA championship in 2005?

There are THREE possible answers that have to be accounted for. 1) Yes 2) No and 3) No opinion (or unable to tell, etc.)

You have to allow for people in your polling sample to indicate the "none of the above" response.

If, at the end of the poll, you actually talked to 100 people, your results (fictional of course, since I haven't actually asked 100 people) would be something like:

In a recent survey, 100 people were asked if they thought the Kings could win the 205 NBA championship. 75 responded YES, 22 responded NO and 3 had no opinion.

That's sampling and statistics, my friend, and it's universal.

One of the horrors of research, whether it be comercial, scientific or social scientific is the tedious amount of effort GOOD research takes in order for the resulst to be truely represenetive of the subjuct or your study.

One of the main reasons that many of us despise polls is the in MOST cases polls FAIL to accuratelly represent EVERY possible choice and there by LEAD the subjet rather than follow it. Political polls are repulsive for just this very reason. So while NONE OF THE ABOVE is a nice catch all it really does nothing more than satasify the need to leave open all possiblities the limited imagination of the pollsters neglected.

 

[KP]

One of the horrors of research, weather it be comercial, scientific aor social scientific is the tedious amount of effort GOOD research takes in order for the resulst to be truely represenetive of the subjuct or your study.

One of the main reasons that many of us despise polls is the in MOST cases polls FAIL to accuratelly represent EVERY possible choice and there by LEAD the subjet rather than follow it. Political polls are repulsive for jsut this very reason. So while NONE OF THE ABOVE is a nice catch all it really does nothing more than satasify the need to leave ope all possiblities the limited imagination of the pollsters neglected.

So Celt, How far do you think the Kings will go this offseason?

 

[6th]

But in this case it's more like 27% had no opinion. And besides, this is a Kings fan board! Everybody has an opinion on how far the Kings will go in the playoffs. I just don't see the point of having an option for "No way to tell" when it's a given that there is no way to tell. That's like, will the coin turn up heads or tails? Heads, Tails, No way to tell. Why even have that option? I don't see how it makes the results "more plausible". Take out the 'no way to tell' people, and roughly 20% of the people who actually answered the question thought the Kings would go all the way. I don't really care that much, it's just a silly poll. I just think that's a cop out answer in any circumstances.

I voted for "no way to tell"...not because I have no opinion, but because there are still too many variables for me to make my "guess." If Brad and Peja come back, I would choose that we would make it to the 2nd round. Bobby is basically either a non-factor or a hindrance because he has not played for so long and because he has not played with this group of guys, nor have they played with him. Timing between them can be expected to be awful.

When the poll began, we had no idea whether we would be playing the Mavs or the Sonics in round 1. If we play the Mavs, then no, (especially with the injuries) we will not get past round 1. If it is Seattle, we can get to round 2, but only if either Peja or Brad are back.

Is this all a cop out? Hell no! I just want more information on which to base my decision. With the lack of information, I say there is "no way to tell", at least at this time.