Carlos Arroyo.

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What do you guys think of his game? I think the Jazz will likely trade him before the deadline. His minutes are way down from last year and if you pee Sloan off, you have to bust your butt to get back into his good graces.

Carlos Arroyo says he is not the type of player to demand a trade. But now that he has dropped to third or fourth in the Jazz's point-guard rotation, "I want to play, and I can't succeed on the bench," Arroyo said Wednesday. "If I can't play here, what can I do?" Arroyo emphasized that "my first choice is for things to go back to normal."

In other words, reinstating him into the Jazz's starting lineup, where he played 71 games last season and 16 this year before being demoted last month. "But what I'm hearing now is, [it's] probably not [going to happen]. So I need to find a way to change that."Arroyo was careful to avoid saying he wants to leave Utah. He did admit, however, that he doesn't mind the attention from other teams. "If nobody talks about you, then you're not important. If nobody shows interest, that's a problem," Arroyo said. "Very humbly and with my feet on the ground, I say this: People know what I can do. They know I can play, and they understand that I shouldn't be on the bench, playing two minutes.

"Fans in Arroyo's homeland are angry at Jazz coach Jerry Sloan for benching the star of the island's Olympic team, especially since he signed a four-year, 6 million contract in July. "Basically, a lot of people are worried. A lot of people are upset back home because I'm not playing," said Arroyo, who also held a news conference via phone with Puerto Rican sportswriters Wednesday afternoon. "They see the Jazz gave me a contract [and] they expected me to play. Now I'm not and they want to know why."
 
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AriesMar27

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the clippers need him more but have nothing to offer, same with houston who needs hime the most..... sura and bowen for arroyo would work for houston. lakers could do it for atkins staright up.... its not like utah is using arroyo so it wouldnt matter if they had atkins....
 
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AriesMar27 said:
the clippers need him more but have nothing to offer, same with houston who needs hime the most..... sura and bowen for arroyo would work for houston. lakers could do it for atkins staright up.... its not like utah is using arroyo so it wouldnt matter if they had atkins....
Don't tease Gargy like that.
 

HndsmCelt

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Don't see Utha trading Arroyo to a western confrence team... why improve your competiton? Unless they are sure they got the better end of the deal.
 
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AriesMar27

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HndsmCelt said:
Don't see Utha trading Arroyo to a western confrence team... why improve your competiton? Unless they are sure they got the better end of the deal.
what eastern team is in dire need of a starting point guard? none... that matter or would have anything to offer utah anyways..... trading him to houston would help utah more than... well the rox really need a point guard... but utah gets the better end of the deal if they get sura..... that and i'd rather see the lakers do well than the t-wolves..... they are officially my most disliked team.... it would be miami but wade makes me forget about shaq... the kid is just too good....
 
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The only Eastern team in need of a PG are the Hawks and the Sixers if they don't want AI starting at PG anymore. Other than that, no Eastern team has any need for Arroyo, unless they make him a backup PG, and Arroyo has already made it clear he's not a backup PG.

Rumors right are that both LA teams are interested in Arroyo. The Clippers because they lost Jaric to a foot fracture and Livingston to a kneecap injury. The Lakers because Vujacic is too young and inexperienced and Atkins just plain sucks as a starting PG. Lakers can offer a couple athletes (George and Jones), since Sloan likes those athletic D-first wings (think Raja Bell). All depends how hard the Jazz are shopping Arroyo. But when you consider that Kupchak actually went after Arroyo last summer and the fact that the Jazz have regulated Arroyo to 4th string PG with the three PGs ahead of him very capable of holding the fort down, and you come to the conclusion that the Lakers have a good shot at him by the deadline. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if Arroyo went to the Clippers.
 
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there hasnt been much, or any, speculation about this in this thread, but what would the kings chances be of landing arroyo? this is probably a bit out there, and completely hypothetical, of course, and assuming the jazz were willing to trade in-conference. i know i would really dig having arroyo subbing for bibby. he'd certainly be seeing more minutes, tho not a starting position. bobby jackson and some combination of scrubs?....i dunno. could be worthwhile... ;)
 

VF21

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I don't see the Kings going after Carlos Arroyo. At this point, I strongly suspect Petrie is done trading. We have 8 guys on the roster who weren't here last year. I think that's enough.
 

HndsmCelt

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Utha does NOT have a history of letting valuable players go wid season, much less to confrence rivals. Any trade for Aryorro will either have to be lopsided or out of confrence. This espcialy applies to most middling Western teams compeeting for the 7 and 8 play off roster spots, and that definalty includes Houston and the Kobes. Just won't happen!
 
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HndsmCelt said:
Utha does NOT have a history of letting valuable players go wid season, much less to confrence rivals. Any trade for Aryorro will either have to be lopsided or out of confrence. This espcialy applies to most middling Western teams compeeting for the 7 and 8 play off roster spots, and that definalty includes Houston and the Kobes. Just won't happen!
It could happen and definitely has happened in the past. Have you kept track of inter-conference trades over the last few years, or are you just guessing? I'm thinking the later.
 

HndsmCelt

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KA_2 said:
It could happen and definitely has happened in the past. Have you kept track of inter-conference trades over the last few years, or are you just guessing? I'm thinking the later.
Racked my memory of Jazz trades coulc come up with a goose egg for midseanon trades to confrece rivals of significant players. but if you remember something I don't feel free to refresh an old mans memory.
 
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arroyo is a bad, wait did i say bad? let me rephrase that, horrible, terrible, abysmal pg. he cannot create anything for his teammates. he cannot lead a fast break. think of bobby jackson in his worst ballhogging moments and extend that to whatever time arroyo takes on the court. lopez is a better pg by far; he is only going through a slump. his big minus is his injury-proneness (word?). mcleod and eisley are ok, but i don't see either of these two becoming better than what they are now; the latter certainly not, the former maybe.

if arroyo is traded, i will say good riddance for the jazz. in fact, let me remind you that the starting game of the fall of the jazz is not when krilenko went down but when arroyo returned. arroyo can only be useful when he is surrounded by worse players (than him); that is it. i don't see a team succeeding in the nba when that team's best player is arroyo.
 
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HndsmCelt said:
Racked my memory of Jazz trades coulc come up with a goose egg for midseanon trades to confrece rivals of significant players. but if you remember something I don't feel free to refresh an old mans memory.
History doesn't mean much with this rebuilding Jazz team. If they see a deal they feel will make them better, they won't think twice, nor will they value how you feel about their trading history.
 
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Lamar_Odom said:
History doesn't mean much with this rebuilding Jazz team. If they see a deal they feel will make them better, they won't think twice, nor will they value how you feel about their trading history.
Yeah, you can't look at each NBA team individually and see if there's a pattern, since owners and GMs change so quickly. Though I remember Miller dumping a big man contract in 1999 (Gatsburg?).
 

HndsmCelt

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Ok so if I get this right, teams trade willy nilly with no decernalble pattern or rational only concerned with how thier team is improved with no regaurd to how itwill effect their competition? Thanks for helping me out here. I will look for the Arroyo to Lakers trade.
 
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AriesMar27

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Padrino said:
there hasnt been much, or any, speculation about this in this thread, but what would the kings chances be of landing arroyo? this is probably a bit out there, and completely hypothetical, of course, and assuming the jazz were willing to trade in-conference. i know i would really dig having arroyo subbing for bibby. he'd certainly be seeing more minutes, tho not a starting position. bobby jackson and some combination of scrubs?....i dunno. could be worthwhile... ;)
arroyo for bobby and barnes would do it.... and bobby is out for the season, barnes doesnt play.... so no loss for them or the kings.... i say do it, someone tell kingsgurl to call her good buddy special k and tell him to tell petrie to make the trade happen.... utah will do it because they think that the kings are serial chokers in the playoffs and it wont make them any better in the end.... that and they win too many games anyways in utah's opinion at least...
 
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HndsmCelt said:
Ok so if I get this right, teams trade willy nilly with no decernalble pattern or rational only concerned with how thier team is improved with no regaurd to how itwill effect their competition? Thanks for helping me out here. I will look for the Arroyo to Lakers trade.
Incorrect.
 

HndsmCelt

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KA_2 said:
The only Eastern team in need of a PG are the Hawks and the Sixers if they don't want AI starting at PG anymore. Other than that, no Eastern team has any need for Arroyo, unless they make him a backup PG, and Arroyo has already made it clear he's not a backup PG.

Rumors right are that both LA teams are interested in Arroyo. The Clippers because they lost Jaric to a foot fracture and Livingston to a kneecap injury. The Lakers because Vujacic is too young and inexperienced and Atkins just plain sucks as a starting PG. Lakers can offer a couple athletes (George and Jones), since Sloan likes those athletic D-first wings (think Raja Bell). All depends how hard the Jazz are shopping Arroyo. But when you consider that Kupchak actually went after Arroyo last summer and the fact that the Jazz have regulated Arroyo to 4th string PG with the three PGs ahead of him very capable of holding the fort down, and you come to the conclusion that the Lakers have a good shot at him by the deadline. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if Arroyo went to the Clippers.
I guess Arroyo did not make it clear to Detroit. Face it Lakers were never an option. for Utha who clearly waited to sed their problem child East.
 
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HndsmCelt said:
I guess Arroyo did not make it clear to Detroit. Face it Lakers were never an option. for Utha who clearly waited to sed their problem child East.
Arroyo had no say in his trade to Detroit, he's under contract. Expect him to be moved from the Pistons, unless of course he gets major minutes, but then that would cut into Hamilton and/or Billups' minutes, which makes no sense. Plus you just said in this thread that Utah doesn't have a "history" of making mid-season trades. And like I said before, history is overrated when personnel and circumstances change.
 

HndsmCelt

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KA_2 said:
Arroyo had no say in his trade to Detroit, he's under contract. Expect him to be moved from the Pistons, unless of course he gets major minutes, but then that would cut into Hamilton and/or Billups' minutes, which makes no sense. Plus you just said in this thread that Utah doesn't have a "history" of making mid-season trades. And like I said before, history is overrated when personnel and circumstances change.
The emphasis of my statement was mid season trades to confrence rivals. I never said the Jazz would sit on Arroyo, only they would be very unlikly to trade him to a western contender.