Deal announced - latest rumors, etc.

[VF21]

It is dark. The "call on the field" is "Kings sold to Seattle". It will take a hell of a lot to flip it imo. The default, the easier course, is to uphold the sale. So somehow KJ has to rally 16 guys to take a radical activist position and say no to the deal. Why would a typical NBA owner do that? Much easier to shrug at KJ and say "sorry man, tough break".

We're talking "down 4, at the free throw line with 2.5 seconds on the clock type of underdog now. I honestly can't see what story KJ can tell that will be compelling enough to get 16 no votes.

Please God let me be wrong.

It is dark, but it is not THAT dark. I don't think the "call on the field" comparison is quite right, although I understand the urge to always use sports metaphors.

There are advantages to keeping the Kings in Sacramento, especially if the local ownership group proposal includes a iron-clad commitment to the new arena. I still believe that David Stern would much prefer to see the Kings in a new arena in Sacramento than have another messy move at the end of his reign as commissioner. Sacramento has done EVERYTHING the league asked for and more. The Maloofs spit in the face of the NBA and David Stern. Do you really think he's going to make it easy for them in any of this?

Let's wait and see what/who Kevin Johnson comes up with. There may be a win/win in this all the way around ... for everyone but the Maloofs who will get the price they want for the team but not necessarily from the people they wanted to sell to.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

i hope im wrong. but i really dont see the NBA saying no to this, no matter what KJ presents to them

 

[Fear the Putin]

Matt Steinmetz ‏@MSteinmetzCSN
I'm told Maloofs shopped deal to Larry Ellison (of course they did) but Ellison said no to the $525 figure.

that was the figure to move to San Jose

 

[VF21]

i hope im wrong. but i really dont see the NBA saying no to this, no matter what KJ presents to them

Really? I don't understand how people can feel this way.

There are numerous reasons to believe the NBA has an open mind about this. All of them have been brought up numerous times. Among them is the fact that David Stern reached out to Kevin Johnson and AEG to make sure they're still in the mix. That's not rumor. It's fact, substantiated by both AEG and KJ. There would be no reason to do this at all if the league wasn't still open to the idea of a matching offer from a Sacramento-based group with an arena deal as part of the package.

It's not time to lose faith quite yet. All these press releases from Seattle are partially to convince everyone it's a done deal when it's not.

 

[ESP47]

The team is gone. Stern letting KJ present another deal to the owners is just a PR ploy to defer the blame away from the NBA for this total screw job.

 

[sidney]

The team is gone. Stern letting KJ present another deal to the owners is just a PR ploy to defer the blame away from the NBA for this total screw job.

That's what they were saying last year with the Anaheim deal. "Owners won't deny another owner from moving" , etc. Not done until it's done.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

Really? I don't understand how people can feel this way.

i just dont see it happening. if it was anywhere but Seattle then i would think they would lean towards us, but not against Seattle

 

[fnordius]

I watched my last NBA game in March, 2011, having lost faith in the organization, and abandoned hope that they'd treat Sacramento equitably. Despite having no interest personally, I've continued to sign petitions, and otherwise lobby for keeping the Kings in Sac. I've done that, in large part, because I know what a great bunch of people you are. That last thing was what I came here to say. I really hope this isn't the end of the Sacramento Kings, but... whatever happens, folks here will always be in my heart. Thanks for being the amazing people that you are.

 

[Bballkingsrock]

The team is gone. Stern letting KJ present another deal to the owners is just a PR ploy to defer the blame away from the NBA for this total screw job.

Why would they do that? It would look terrible on the NBA for teasing Sacramento like this and telling KJ, get a group, present to the NBA in April, etc.

Also why would Stern tease AEG to tell them its okay to help Sacramento and try to help them in the group? AEG is one of the biggest supporters to the NBA and screwing them over is the last thing they want.

 

[D-Mass]

I trust KJ in this scenario, but the waiting is going to be excruciating. While we wait for our buyers to emerge, the media is focused on how great this is for Seattle and how this is a done deal. I feel that we need to change the public discourse a bit to make sure people know how bad this is for Sacramento and for this historic franchise. I'm not sure we can just sit back and wait for the mayor to rescue us...at some point, the fans have to take some ownership. Is it naive of me to think that it might be a good idea to start flooding the Twitter feeds and Facebook pages of the national sports media, the NBA, and even some other NBA owners? I think we need to make the case for Sacramento while we wait for the mayor's revelations.

 

[Livinthedream]

Why would they do that? It would look terrible on the NBA for teasing Sacramento like this and telling KJ, get a group, present to the NBA in April, etc.

Also why would Stern tease AEG to tell them its okay to help Sacramento and try to help them in the group? AEG is one of the biggest supporters to the NBA and screwing them over is the last thing they want.

Agreed

 

[KingsFanSince85]

KJ and his negotiators failed already. They low-balled the Maloofs, painted them as evil owners, and they messed-up big-time! KJ gave the Maloofs too many BS, had bluff the Maloofs too much, knowing the citizens of Sacramento are behind them. It did not work and will not work on broke businessmen and Sacramento will end up without any NBA team!

Come one now. Don't be too naive.

It is not as if KJ and company (and YOU) only knew it yesterday that the Sacramento Kings is for sale.

What do you want the Maloofs to do?

Go house to house begging the people of Sacramento to buy the Kings?

If there is anyone at fault here - it is the lazy leaders of Sacramento who failed to come-up with a better deal than the Seattle deal!

These are among the most ridiculous, asinine comments I've ever read on this board ... ever. And that's really saying something. Have you not been paying attention to what's been going on the past couple years? Based upon these comments, there's no possible way you have been.

 

[jpsls]

These are among the most ridiculous, asinine comments I've ever read on this board ... ever. And that's really saying something. Have you not been paying attention to what's been going on the past couple years? Based upon these comments, there's no possible way you have been.

It's Hard to come up with a better deal when the sellers won't talk to the mayor. I'm not sure if he is serious or a Malooof-paid troller.

 

[Prince_XY]

Sacramento has done EVERYTHING the league asked for and more.

And this has been the problem from the very beginning.

The leaders (KJ and Co.) may have done everything the league had asked for, but had really never done enough for the Maloofs to give in. KJ and Co. had always been too late and too little for the Maloofs!

Also, instead of patiently negotiating wisely and not politicizing the process, they prematurely antagonized the Maloofs and painted them as evil, so they could look cute in the eyes of Sacramento fans. The usual politicking came first. They easily gave-up and forgot the Maloofs are the owners and has a big say on the faith of the Kings in the negotiating table.

I ask every one here this question:

Do you really believe KJ had done everything to keep the Kings in Sacramento?

If you say YES, why then is our Kings on the verge of moving out of Sacramento?

 

[KingsFanSince85]

It's Hard to come up with a better deal when the sellers won't talk to the mayor. I'm not sure if he is serious or a Malooof-paid troller.

And the fact that the Maloofs never officially let anyone know the team was ever for sale. For years they defiantly and angrily stated that the team was 100% not for sale. Nobody knew that stance had changed until news of the Seattle deal leaked out 2 weeks ago. Just the day before, they were still toying with relocating on their own.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

For years they defiantly and angrily stated that the team was 100% not for sale. Nobody knew that stance had changed until news of the Seattle deal leaked out 2 weeks ago.

what a bunch a freakin scumbags. words can not describe my hatred for these people.

 

[Bballkingsrock]

Once again, I will say this:

Why would they do that? It would look terrible on the NBA for teasing Sacramento like this and telling KJ, get a group, present to the NBA in April, etc.

Also why would Stern tease AEG to tell them its okay to help Sacramento and try to help them in the group? AEG is one of the biggest supporters to the NBA and screwing them over is the last thing they want.

 

[Fear the Putin]

And this has been the problem from the very beginning.

The leaders (KJ and Co.) may have done everything the league had asked for, but had really never done enough for the Maloofs to give in. KJ and Co. had always been too late and too little for the Maloofs!

Also, instead of patiently negotiating wisely and not politicizing the process, they prematurely antagonized the Maloofs and painted them as evil, so they could look cute in the eyes of Sacramento fans. The usual politicking came first. They easily gave-up and forgot the Maloofs are the owners and has a big say on the faith of the Kings in the negotiating table.

I ask every one here this question:

Do you really believe KJ had done everything to keep the Kings in Sacramento?

If you say YES, why then is our Kings on the verge of moving out of Sacramento?

Contrary to your beliefs, the world doesn't operate in a "one plus one HAS to be two" manner

 

[VF21]

And this has been the problem from the very beginning.

The leaders (KJ and Co.) may have done everything the league had asked for, but had really never done enough for the Maloofs to give in. KJ and Co. had always been too late and too little for the Maloofs!

Also, instead of patiently negotiating wisely and not politicizing the process, they prematurely antagonized the Maloofs and painted them as evil, so they could look cute in the eyes of Sacramento fans. The usual politicking came first. They easily gave-up and forgot the Maloofs are the owners and has a big say on the faith of the Kings in the negotiating table.

I ask every one here this question:

Do you really believe KJ had done everything to keep the Kings in Sacramento?

If you say YES, why then is our Kings on the verge of moving out of Sacramento?

Your ignorance on this subject is overwhelming.

 

[jpsls]

And this has been the problem from the very beginning.

The leaders (KJ and Co.) may have done everything the league had asked for, but had really never done enough for the Maloofs to give in. KJ and Co. had always been too late and too little for the Maloofs!

Also, instead of patiently negotiating wisely and not politicizing the process, they prematurely antagonized the Maloofs and painted them as evil, so they could look cute in the eyes of Sacramento fans. The usual politicking came first. They easily gave-up and forgot the Maloofs are the owners and has a big say on the faith of the Kings in the negotiating table.

I ask every one here this question:

Do you really believe KJ had done everything to keep the Kings in Sacramento?

If you say YES, why then is our Kings on the verge of moving out of Sacramento?

Because the Maloofs wanted to be handed a free arena on a silver platter and keep the profits all for themselves. They wanted to have their cake and eat it too. That's why the Kings are on the verge of relocating.

 

[theclash4u5]

Once again, I will say this:

Why would they do that? It would look terrible on the NBA for teasing Sacramento like this and telling KJ, get a group, present to the NBA in April, etc.

Also why would Stern tease AEG to tell them its okay to help Sacramento and try to help them in the group? AEG is one of the biggest supporters to the NBA and screwing them over is the last thing they want.

The NBA screwed over Seattle too and moved on, can't see why they wouldn't do the same to Sacramento. Hope I'm 100% wrong.

 

[Brac-o-matic]

The NBA screwed over Seattle too and moved on, can't see why they wouldn't do the same to Sacramento. Hope I'm 100% wrong.

With the horrific PR they got for that, I am assuming they learned a lesson, and they don't want a Kingsgate situation a little ways down the road. Especially because Stern has a year left in the league, and whatever happens will be his legacy. Expansion time...!

 

[UK_King]

Chris Hansen will mightily pissed if they do nix the deal considering he's handed over that 30 million to the Maloofs.

The Maloofs could pocket his 30 million and still own the team in April conceivably.

 

[KingsFanSince85]

This is absolutely not crap. Please know what you are talking about before reacting without facts. Seattle is required by law to have a balanced budget. The state of Washington now has balanced budget, unlike currently insolvent state of California with budget deficit of $28B - or as high as staggering $335B taking into account unfunded future liabilities.

FACTS ARE STUBBORN THINGS!

You should heed your own advice. California is one of a handful of states that gives/produces more than it takes from the the National economy. It's boasts the 8th largest economy in the world. One large reason it is insolvent, as you say, is due the blood sucking states that benefit from it (states that take from the National economy more than they give). Like Texas, if California was able to secede, it's economy be in the black in no time.

Regardless, I'm willing to bet anyone that the Kings long term future, financially, is better off in Sacramento with a deep pocketed owner than it would be in Seattle with the same type of ownership.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

Expansion time...!

Stern keeps saying thats not gonna happen right now. but i think as Kings fans we need to pray for it. because i think Seattle IS going to get a team out of this no matter what. its gonna be a matter of if we have a team still. i only see this ending 1 of 2 ways:

-The League see's the amazing support in Sacramento and says we cant let that team leave, so Kings stay in Sac, Seattle gets a Expansion team

-The league see's the support from Sacramento, but decides the benefits of having a team in Seattle are greater than Sacramento, so the relocation and sale to Hanson is completed

 

[KingsFanSince85]

Chris Hansen will mightily pissed if they do nix the deal considering he's handed over that 30 million to the Maloofs.

That's not Sacramento's or the NBA's problem. If he loses that money, it's his own fault for offering it up. In no way should it factor into the BOG's decision making process.

 

[Section 101]

Since they are going to discuss both issues, they may not have a final vote in April. The league has 120 days for the relocation committee to review relocation requests and make a recommendation to the BoG. I suspect they won't actually vote then. Especially if that is when KJ and the proposed local owner will present a proposal.

It's basically 1 vote at this point Hansen and relocation or deny and force local buyers. It may go beyond april since the relocation committee won't give their report till April and KJ gives his offer. They may take time to evaluate each one.

 

[KingsFanSince85]

Your ignorance on this subject is overwhelming.

Exactly.

I've not seen one other person that shares this person's opinion. As I stated before, based upon the ignorant comments already made, there's no way this person has been paying attention the past couple years.

 

[Brac-o-matic]

Stern keeps saying thats not gonna happen right now. but i think as Kings fans we need to pray for it. because i think Seattle IS going to get a team out of this no matter what. its gonna be a matter of if we have a team still. i only see this ending 1 of 2 ways:

-The League see's the amazing support in Sacramento and says we cant let that team leave, so Kings stay in Sac, Seattle gets a Expansion team

-The league see's the support from Sacramento, but decides the benefits of having a team in Seattle are greater than Sacramento, so the relocation and sale to Hanson is completed

I agree with these two scenarios, particularly the first one. I think it is all dependent on KJ coming up with "the whale". If we can rival Seattle's offer, with an arena plan in place, then I think, whether Sac or Seattle gets the team, it will be really bad PR for the NBA. I think the pitfalls of expansion will look better to the league, and David Stern, than a PR disaster in his last year...

 

[VF21]

You should heed your own advice. California is one of a handful of states that gives/produces more than it takes from the the National economy. It's boasts the 8th largest economy in the world. One large reason it is insolvent, as you say, is due the blood sucking states that benefit from it (states that take from the National economy more than they give). Like Texas, if California was able to secede, it's economy be in the black in no time.

Regardless, I'm willing to bet anyone that the Kings long term future, financially, is better off in Sacramento with a deep pocketed owner than it would be in Seattle with the same type of ownership.

Reminder to all ... We avoid political discussion around here for a very good reason. So please, avoid the temptation to take this to that level.

Thanks.