FIRE MIKE BROWN

[SacTownKid]

Not ready to go there yet. Still have hope. Brutal schedule to start the season with key players out. Working DDR into the schemes. No length (not Coaches fault). No one can make 3’s, coach or GM? No one can guard 3’s. Add the constant trade chatter where key players don’t know if they are staying or going. I know they’re supposed to be professionals but it has to mess with their heads. Idk, perhaps the players need to take a hard look at themselves. In other words, maybe that’s where the blame should lie.

Yeah, it sucks and the losses are tough, but the Kings are still in the fight for a playoff birth. It's mucky, we knew it would be.

 

[gunks]

I'm still on team "Let's please figure this out before panicking", but I'm becoming less of a fan of Brown by the game.

I'm also not a fan of coaching carousels or Vivek's obsession with the GS connection, and I think the Fire Brown folk have pretty short memories of how much worse off we've been for over a decade and a half.

Winning cures all as they say, so hopefully we uh... actually start doing that soon.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Not ready to go there yet. Still have hope. Brutal schedule to start the season with key players out. Working DDR into the schemes. No length (not Coaches fault). No one can make 3’s, coach or GM? No one can guard 3’s. Add the constant trade chatter where key players don’t know if they are staying or going. I know they’re supposed to be professionals but it has to mess with their heads. Idk, perhaps the players need to take a hard look at themselves. In other words, maybe that’s where the blame should lie.

The blame lies in multiple places.....and any owner and GM worth their salt is going to evaluate each piece by their own merit.

The solution likely involves more than one move, if the current standard is more than participating in a play-in game or two

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

I'm still on team "Let's please figure this out before panicking", but I'm becoming less of a fan of Brown by the game.

I'm also not a fan of coaching carousels or Vivek's obsession with the GS connection, and I think the Fire Brown folk have pretty short memories of how much worse off we've been for over a decade and a half.

Winning cures all as they say, so hopefully we uh... actually start doing that soon.

Once you have a fresh roster and a new front office, along with having two winning seasons, the standard of comparison is no longer what happened years and years ago. There is no good excuse for this team being 13-15, with a 6-9 record at home

 

[Vinny Basketballerino]

So interesting that this dusty old thread still has life.

 

[Vinny Basketballerino]

He hasn't helped things, that's for sure. Hard to imagine that he was handed the coach of year award just over a year and half ago, yet here we are.

A good point in the comment section there, was talking about why would someone like Keon Ellis want to resign with the Kings, with the way he's been jerked around? Take it to the bank that there will be lots of teams interested in him.

Browns rotational strategy or lack of, has been awful

Mike Brown once won the COY award and was fired the next season. But nobody wanted to hear that from me when I started this thread.

 

[Vinny Basketballerino]

I'm still on team "Let's please figure this out before panicking", but I'm becoming less of a fan of Brown by the game.

I'm also not a fan of coaching carousels or Vivek's obsession with the GS connection, and I think the Fire Brown folk have pretty short memories of how much worse off we've been for over a decade and a half.

Winning cures all as they say, so hopefully we uh... actually start doing that soon.

You cannot base your decisions of off a standard defined by the past, especially if that past was bad. That is how you maintain mediocrity.

 

[Vinny Basketballerino]

Has probably said somewhere recently on here, but Jordy Fernandez was the coach the first few years.

If I didn't say it directly, I would have. I suggested firing Brown and hiring Fernandez and I was shot dead in cold blood right here on this forum.

 

[gunks]

You cannot base your decisions of off a standard defined by the past, especially if that past was bad. That is how you maintain mediocrity.

Fair point, but I'm also wondering who else is out there that would be an improvement, because we better have somebody good lined up if we fire Brown.

Vivek will probably try to stick us with Mark Jackson.

 

[Vinny Basketballerino]

Fair point, but I'm also wondering who else is out there that would be an improvement, because we better have somebody good lined up if we fire Brown.

Vivek will probably try to stick us with Mark Jackson.

We had Jordy Fernandez in our lap not long ago but I was ran out of town on the transcontinental railroad for daring to suggest we make that swap

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

We had Jordy Fernandez in our lap not long ago but I was ran out of town on the transcontinental railroad for daring to suggest we make that swap

Don't be too affected by how some react. Most of us like to hear thoughts and ideas

 

[Remi]

It is normal when team plays bad and lose the game, then it is usualy players fault. But if team is constantly losing close game (~5 points), it is for sure bad coaching: bad game strategy taken / bad rotation and not adjusting fast with game flow / bad timouts / bad combination drawed during time out and so on ...
I fully understand that many players play below their desired lvl (especially Kevin and Keegan), but coach must find player best qualities and use them right. And at the same time, coach must hide player/team weaknesses and that a good coaches do. And with curent team play, I can not state that Brown is a good coach.

 

[fansinceday1]

It’s weird how the kings are in line with what the 49ers did.
They signed brown to an extension when they didn’t have to and now the team has almost completely tanked. Normally firing the coach would be a first step but probably won’t be done because of the extension. They are stuck.

 

[GWD]

Welcome back, Vinny. It appears that history will absolve your positions.

Hope you stick around. There are more than two sympathizers emerging.

 

[The_Jamal]

He hasn't helped things, that's for sure. Hard to imagine that he was handed the coach of year award just over a year and half ago, yet here we are.

A good point in the comment section there, was talking about why would someone like Keon Ellis want to resign with the Kings, with the way he's been jerked around? Take it to the bank that there will be lots of teams interested in him.

Browns rotational strategy or lack of, has been awful

Keon won't have a choice, we have his RFA rights. I suppose he could play for the QO, but for a guy that hasn't made a dime (from an NBA sense), I doubt he's turning down a multi-year bigger contract offer we're going to make him this off-season

 

[The_Jamal]

We had Jordy Fernandez in our lap not long ago but I was ran out of town on the transcontinental railroad for daring to suggest we make that swap

Because your "idea" has never happened in the history of professional sports. I cannot recall a team ever firing a successful coach and replacing him with someone on his own staff. Probably the closest is when the Warriors fired Mark Jackson and brought in Kerr, but Kerr was an outside hire.

You trying to victory lap as if you were right is truly something. What, I'm not sure, but it's something.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Keon won't have a choice, we have his RFA rights. I suppose he could play for the QO, but for a guy that hasn't made a dime (from an NBA sense), I doubt he's turning down a multi-year bigger contract offer we're going to make him this off-season

So has the way in which they've handled him been the best way to help chances to win,... or because he's a lower priority financial asset of which they think they can control going forward?

 

[The_Jamal]

So has the way in which they've handled him been the best way to help chances to win,... or because he's a lower priority financial asset of which they think they can control going forward?

I legitimately don't understand this take. Brown is not curbing Keon's minutes because of contract flexibility. We can talk about his ability to identify what Keon brings on the floor and that being a major miscue, but there's no chance he's said "I know Keon would give us more wins, but we need to keep him affordable so we're not going to play him" behind closed doors.

 

[Jdbraver137]

I legitimately don't understand this take. Brown is not curbing Keon's minutes because of contract flexibility. We can talk about his ability to identify what Keon brings on the floor and that being a major miscue, but there's no chance he's said "I know Keon would give us more wins, but we need to keep him affordable so we're not going to play him" behind closed doors.

He is restricted I really don’t think this is an intentional thing for a contract.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

I legitimately don't understand this take. Brown is not curbing Keon's minutes because of contract flexibility. We can talk about his ability to identify what Keon brings on the floor and that being a major miscue, but there's no chance he's said "I know Keon would give us more wins, but we need to keep him affordable so we're not going to play him" behind closed doors.

Let me spell it out for you, again. If Keon gives the Kings a better chance to win than Huerter, than what other explanation is there for Huerter often playing ahead of him?

 

[fansinceday1]

Let me spell it out for you, again. If Keon gives the Kings a better chance to win than Huerter, than what other explanation is there for Huerter often playing ahead of him?

I have wondered what huerter does for us since he crapped himself in the all star 3 point contest. Why is he still a favorite of coach brown? What am I missing?

 

[The_Jamal]

Let me spell it out for you, again. If Keon gives the Kings a better chance to win than Huerter, than what other explanation is there for Huerter often playing ahead of him?

Why don't you try reading what I just said.

"We can talk about his ability to identify what Keon brings on the floor and that being a major miscue"

Do you just intentionally try to misrepresent what I say? Also Huerter doesn't play ahead of Keon, Monk now does. Huerter going to the bench is a pretty clear indicator that he's fallen out of favor of Brown.

 

[The_Jamal]

He is restricted I really don’t think this is an intentional thing for a contract.

Of course it isn't. And fwiw, Keon has been a staple of the rotation since his DNP a few weeks back. He's pretty clearly the 6th/7th man now.

I don't know why Brown doesn't see what we all see with Keon about him being incredibly impactful who needs more minutes. But I for damn sure know it's not him intentionally curbing his minutes so he signs a cheaper contract. He doesn't believe Keon is as impactful to winning as a lot of us do.

 

[sactowndog]

We had Jordy Fernandez in our lap not long ago but I was ran out of town on the transcontinental railroad for daring to suggest we make that swap

dude I’m still here and have had more than a few shots sent my direction. Use the ignore buttton on the worst and have an opinion. It’s what message boards are for having.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Why don't you try reading what I just said.

"We can talk about his ability to identify what Keon brings on the floor and that being a major miscue"

Do you just intentionally try to misrepresent what I say? Also Huerter doesn't play ahead of Keon, Monk now does. Huerter going to the bench is a pretty clear indicator that he's fallen out of favor of Brown.

Monk always played more than Keon. They were never going to let a guy who is payed 2+ mil a year play more than the guy they just signed for 18+ mil.

Huerter hasn't been the 6th man, since the lineup change? So who's minutes should be reduced and given to Keon?

 

[The_Jamal]

Monk always played more than Keon. They were never going to let a guy who is payed 2+ mil a year play more than the guy they just signed for 18+ mil.

Huerter hasn't been the 6th man, since the lineup change? So who's minutes should be reduced and given to Keon?

I've told you this many times. You know the answer, why do you keep thinking you'll get me in a "gotcha" or something?

Go look back in the Keon thread. My answer is in there

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

I have wondered what huerter does for us since he crapped himself in the all star 3 point contest. Why is he still a favorite of coach brown? What am I missing?

They are managing the roster, largely based on who is payed the most. Huerter is under contract for 16.8 mil this year and nearly 18 mil for next. Keon is at 2.1 and 2.3 mil

 

[gunks]

We had Jordy Fernandez in our lap not long ago but I was ran out of town on the transcontinental railroad for daring to suggest we make that swap

Haha yeah, I remember that. And now you're in your "villain arc", no pasta or nona references from you these days!

And sadly the Jordi ship has sailed to Brooklyn.

I'm not really a Brown fan, honestly my patience with him is wearing pretty thin, but what I don't want is to watch the Kings take one step forward followed by five steps back. That's been a trademark in these parts for the past two decades now.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

I've told you this many times. You know the answer, why do you keep thinking you'll get me in a "gotcha" or something?

Go look back in the Keon thread. My answer is in there

I'm not going to look anywhere. I've reviewed my opinions for you on different things, multiple times. It's not a big deal.

You told us recently that Huerter is the 6th man and it has looked like Brown has played him that way. Do we agree that Monk will always average more time than Keon on this current roster?

 

[The_Jamal]

I'm not going to look anywhere. I've reviewed my opinions for you on different things, multiple times. It's not a big deal.

You told us recently that Huerter is the 6th man and it has looked like Brown has played him that way. Do we agree that Monk will always average more time than Keon on this current roster?

Yes. Especially now that Brown has broken the seal of Monk starting. I don't think he goes back